JZ

Count 'em: FOUR LITERS..........
SIX CYLINDERS...............
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200 HORSEPOWER!

What will those crazy kids at Ford think of next?!

BEETROOT

oneilc

umm... the current mustang base model is a 3.8L V6 with 193hp so I guess they thought of a crazy 0.2L and 7hp increase.

VeeralS05

damn I was expecting some HP around 300....

F23A4

4.0L V6 w/only 200hp is pretty sad. But in their defense, the current V6 model is the best selling Stang by far so it probably doesnt pay to do too much to the V6 powertrain.

VeeralS05

seems to be a waste of some gas to me 4.0 liter w/ only 200 HP?

thats jst a piece of crap! but the styling looks alright....

I wonder what the new SVT will be packing....

5.0L 230HP?

Crazy Bimmer

I hear the chicks screaming right now....

98CLChick

I was friends with this sorority girl who had a v6, automatic mustang coupe. She tried to convince everyone that it was a GT.

And if you were buying a stang, why the hell would you buy the v6??

oneilc

Did she even know the difference?

18anatak

this thread is out of control.

Infamous425

calm down~!

darrinb

people who buy v6 stangs really just want a mustang and dont give a fuck about speed, but oh man they are skow as shit

Bluto

They are cheap.

Scrib

SiGGy

How much torque though?

HP isnt' all that...

fuzzy02CLS

iTrader: (2)

Is this the same 4.0L SOHC engine used in the Explorer?
My 75 year old gradma has a V6 stang. Bright yellow too.

blader

yeah with four liters it may carry alot of torque, and it may come low .. never know

I think the 05 GT will carry 300 HP if I remember correctly .. and the cobra will have 400 or 450 when it comes out, I cant remember which .. and I think it was mentioned that they will bring back the 5.0?

F23A4

I believe you are correct about the GT. But, it seems to run the same 1/4 mile times as the current 260hp 5MT GT ---->05 GT 1/4 Mile Run (save as)

blader

"The SOHC 12-valve, 4.0-liter V-6 with 202 horsepower and 235 pound-feet, also running in the Ranger pickup, opens the Mustang’s power résumé. Martens calls the V-8 GT “the most accessible 300 horsepower on the market.” By accessible, he means cheap, at least compared with the 305-hp Mach 1, which runs $29,590. For 2005, the base GT will feature almost the same power for about $25,000."
-Car and Driver

235tq isnt too bad .. and 25000 is really cheap for 300 hp.

JZ

It's just bad for any type of "sportscar" to have more torque than horsepower.

That's indicative of a truck engine, which, indeed it is!

cusdaddy

This is a very stupid thread. It's the base model. It's a fine amount of hp for what it is and the price. If people want performance, they can get the GT or Cobra. For the price, it's not a bad deal at all.

Look at all of the other so called sporty cars out there in the similar price range with their base engines: The Eclipse, RSX, Tiburon, Celica, etc.. All have 4 cylinders with less HP and significantly less torque.

The engine isn't a marvel of technology, but I'm sure it performs fine for a 20k base model. If this was the only engine, then I'd make fun of it, but again, there are much more powerful options out there.

cusdaddy

The Ford GT technically derives it's 5.4L engine from a truck (Lightning), so does that make it a bad "sportscar"?

I personally like torque much more than HP. I love my Z because of the great torque, not the HP.

bl^5

V6 stang is slow as shit. But pay attention to the road for a couple of weeks and I am sure you will notice that there are more V6 stangs out there than GT's and Cobras.

We rented a V6 covn. stang in Hawaii and damn, it seemed like I could have walked faster!

I have a friend with a GT that never goes faster than the speed limit. He is a grandma driver but yet he is always asking me about doing stuff to his car to make it go faster. I'm like dude, NO, I WILL NOT ALLOW YOU TO WASTE YOUR DAMN MONEY LIKE THAT. He should have just got a V6...

BEETROOT

worst thread ever.

95gt

Uhm are you fucking nuts. Some of the greatest sports/sporty cars have this(or identical HP/Torque numbers)

Mustang, vette, camaro, viper...

Torque rocks, i hate cars that you have to wind up to 7k to feel any real kick.

JZ

The point is--in model year 2005 it is SAD that only 200HP can be squeezed out of a 4 LITER motor. Period, end of story, base model or not, 20k or not.

Torque is fine down low, but a flexible engine should then be able to make the transition to horsepower at higher rpms.

Chaptorial

Good.

Keep them base model V6's low and slow.

goldmemberer

Pagani Zonda.
SL65.
SL600.
SL55.
SL500.

Those cars are fine sportscars in my book, and they all have more torque than HP. And no, their engines aren't anything close to truck-inspired. I see your point overall but that's a rushed and an uninformed statement to make.

Is it sad that they can only squeeze 200hp out of a 4.0L V6? Yeah.
Is it still sad, considering the $20k base price?
Fuck no.

I/We can bag on the older Stang V6s because I've had the experience of driving one. In what would've been normal braking in my CL, the Stang's tires locked up and I almost died on the freeway. Not a typically comfortable car and I hear pretty bad shit about the quality too.

This new one, we don't know much about, so lets reserve our judgement. That 25k Stang GT sounds like a great buy when you realize that price-wise, it's more or less competing with the higher end RSXs.

oneilc

He's got a damn good point you know. Sports cars are all about nail you to the back of the seat and keep you there torque. High horsepower just means you can go faster.

cusdaddy

Who cares about the size of the engine. Yes, it's not going to win any awards for high-tech design, but who cares. It's got 200hp which isn't bad for a base engine and it produces plenty of torque. Yes, as I said before, it's not the pinnacle of technology, but neither are many of the engines in it's competitors base models.

blader

Try telling that thing its not a sports car?

MSRP - $179,720.00*
Engine - AMG-built twin-turbocharged 6.0L SOHC 36-valve V-12 engine
Net Power - 604 hp @ 5500 rpm
Net Torque - 738 lb-ft @ 2,000 - 4,000 rpm


134 more torque than horsepower. What a POS.






EDIT: Wow I just realized .. the S2000 actually makes more horsepower per liter than an SL65 .. well the 03 S2K did. 240HP with 2 liters. I'm pretty sure it makes more torque per liter though.

Let Ford make a 200hp 4.0L v6 .. makes the RSX look even better, making 210 horsepower with half the liters and 2 less cylinders On a side note .. anyone notice how strikingly similiar the 05 RSX looks to the 05 Civics?? Especially with the front lip flares .. I Like the new headlights though....

theblackpearl

torque is more important in a race than horsepower any time of the day, what you gets you rolling(not horsepower)? and plus its a base engine. i dont think ford expects people to get the v6 mustang to go fast in anyway

JZ

Well, twin turbocharged torque is a different story. And of course there are exceptions.

But, in its essence, from a responsible point of view with regard to conservation, innovation and technology, needing 4 liters to squeek out 200hp is pathetic.

JZ

Horsepower is just a measure of torque anyways, so who cares? And, your statement is kind of silly--I've seen hundreds of races where a car with more torque gets the jump and then gets reeled in by higher horsepower cars. Ever been to the 1/4 mile track or are these just races to 20mph?

F23A4

First off let me say, I'm no Ford fan. However, they pretty much could have put the Lincoln LS's 3L V6 into the base Stang which would raise the hp to 232hp but then take a step back in torque to 220lb-ft (vs. the 05 Stangs 210hp/240lb-ft). (Though it has more torque than the 7G Accord's J30A.) Massaging the 3.0L to 3.5L may even bring to the level of the CTS or Nissan's 3.5L V6. (just speculating on that one)

That said, dont knock Ford's performance powertrain program. If Ford put as much effort into their V6 program as they have in their V8 program, I dont doubt that they'd have a V6 on par with the VQ35DE or J32A. Keep in mind, the 97 Ford Contour SVT had a 2.5L 24v DOHC Duratec V6 rated at 200hp. Displacement-wise, Nissan's best is their current QR25DE (2.5L 175hp I4 - Spec V/Alti 2.5), Honda's C27A (2.7L 170hp V6 - 5G Accord V6) and BMW's 325i (2.5L 184hp I6).

Also, theblackpearl was half right: torque IS what gets you going. But if you're on the autoX circuit, having more hp may or may not be more advantageous. (Subjective at best) But in every day driving, torque rules. (Try driving an S2K in normal road conditions on < WOT and compare it to V6 Mustang under those same conditions; this is one of the reasons why Honda retooled the S2K to 2.2L.)

Peace.

heyitsme

I don't see a reason for ford to push 200hp at 20k, what coupe does that? As far as pushing nissan, the qr is a 4 cylinder, they had a 3.0 190hp sedan way way back when, think 1990, pobably 1989. I remember giving an early 90's lightning a hard ass time in a 160hp auto maxima from light to light. First light, my jump, I lead the way, second light he got the jump and lead the way. I didn't know much about cars at the time but I knew the jump cost the race, and the v6 auto was hurting on the v8 auto.

JZ

Sure torque is better for everyday driving, however, it almost always comes at the cost of fuel economy.

And, to use the rationale from an earlier post, while torque may win races, horsepower sells cars!

F23A4

C/D 600 mile road trip (observed fuel economy):
04 Acura TL (238lb-ft) - 17mpg
04 Infiniti G35 (260lb-ft) - 16mpg
...oh yeah. BIG difference in mpg.

No question. The general public's ignorance about cars is staggering. That said, I'll bet that this base Stang will sell better than the 99-04 V6 Stang despite its meager HP ratings.

blader

Just a thought .. maybe they are starting the HP low on the V6 so that in the coming years when they keep bumping it up and up and up, the car looks even better and will continue to sell.

And as for this comment ..
I'm sorry, I didnt realize torque in a twin turbo motor is different than torque in a naturally aspirated engine .. are they measured differently or something?

SiGGy

JZ, HP is just an equation. Torque is what is measured at the wheels.
No dyno meausres HP, they calculate it from the torque measured...

No torque = NO passing power without changing many gears.
And there is no sacrifice of fuel economy...


Seems Honda's conservative edge has you won over... No comparsion between a 240hp E36 M3 and a 250hp S2000. :P Only way to move a S2000 is to beat the hell out of it... no thanks....
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