Mokos23

Would you compare the new gen Rav4 with an RDX?

In a straight line the V6 Rav4 w/ 269 Hp would kill the I4 RDX w/240 Hp and turbo.

I wish Acura would put at least and I4 w/280 Hp and turbo would beat the Rav4 and keep in pace with an FX35 at least.

What will the Hp be for the next gen CRV?

dozorca

I guess some will cross-shop the Rav4 with the RDX, but overall, the RDX will attract people looking for the Acura badge. Also, in my opinion, the RDX looks better (from the pics).

They can't give it 280hp, because current MDX has 250 or so...

240hp with the torque from the turbo should provide respectable performance numbers.


As for CRV, I doubt that Honda will try to beat or match Toyota.

MaximaPower

keep pace with the FX???

dom

Because, I mean whats more important than 0-60 and 1/4 mile times for small SUV's.

1killercls

Still though Dom, is Honda out of touch with the American consumer?

phile

The RDX will come with SH-AWD, and from what the gearheads say over at TOV, that system pretty much adds an additional 300 lbs to whatever weight the RDX originally had.

The RAV4 as always been a lightweight, so throw in a powerful V6 and it'll fly. Seems like Toyota has fiinally gotten the memo...the new models with the 3.5L have all broken the 7-second mark for 0-60: RAV4, Avalon, and Camry (see the latest midsize sedan comparo on Edmunds where the V6 Camry dusted the competition). Oddly enough, the time that Edmunds got for the new ES350 was about 7.2 seconds

dom

In many ways yes. (See RL, FWD, V8) But not in the case of the RDX IMO. Small SUV buyers usually don't concern themseleves with 0-60 times. (See CRV sales) This thing will have more than enough power IMO.

Who cares that the Rav 4 gets to 60 a few tenths sooner.

Sarlacc

Can you evevn go by stated HP numbers even more???

Remember that HoA switched to the newer rating system which effectively lowers the rated HP number you would have gotten with the old system. Has Toyota made the switch?

Either way...as someone else stated...its a fucking SUV not a sports car.

dom

Mokos23

Then why did Toyota and Nissan come out with SUV's that are big on horsepower then?

Toyota:
Rav 4: 269hp

Nissan:
Pathfinder: 270hp

Honda:
Pilot: 244hp slow compared to Pathfinder

dom

Marketing.

I never said havng all that horsepower was a bad thing, obvioulsly some people care. Point I was trying to make is that a smart shopper would look at more than only HP figures and 0-60 times before deciding on a Rav 4 over a CR-V or RDX.

In the end who cares about acceleration numbers in these types of vehicles. Sure if they were terribly slow thats one thing but the RDX will be far from underpowered, considering it has more Tq than an MDX.

Another thing to consider is engine availability. I don't believe Toyota is currently manufacturing another V6. The 3.5 is now their only V6 engine.

And don't expect Honda to match every HP figure trotted out by other makers. Will the HP wars ever end, probly not. Considering how well they've done with several cars that are down on HP copared to the competition, I don't see a problem.

bigman

the rav 4 must make Honda pissed. Because now, the Rav compares to the Acura RDX which is underpowered when compared to the toyota. And Honda cant even come close with teh CRV without stepping all over the RDX. So no longer is the CRV a competitor, and the RDX powerise cannot compare. But Honda will win with all the Luxo features and gadgets in the RDX.

CrockPot

another reason toyota is where it is at today. they've got 6 or so SUVs, and none of them are direct competitors with each other.

Osamu

repost?

https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50


and on 2000 posts

Mokos23

Thanks dude and I read that post and it got a lot of my questions answered and some people ripped the RDX to shreds there.

dom

How can it not compare powerwise. You guys are too much.

And Lexus plans to release a Rav 4 based SUV very soon. I'm betting it has the ame 3.5 V6 in the Rav.

MaximaPower

aren't most hondas slow compared to toyo and nissan?

240HP is plenty enuff in the RDX...dats almost the same as the pilot....btw, isn't the RAV4 bigger than the RDX?

dom

Have you seen a new Rav? Its not much bigger than the old Rav.

And as far as your other comment is concerned. Sure most Honda's seems underpowered to Nissan's and more recently Toyota's. Yet numbers prove they still manage to keep up. ie. Accord vs Altima, TL vs G35.

MaximaPower

key is "keep up"....alty and accord are pretty close....250hp(premium in AV6) vs 250hp.....i'd still give it to the alty cus of tq......but G35 is faster than TL anyway u look at it, around the corners or straight line

btw, i thought the RAV4 got bigger cus of the 3rd row seating

dom

Won't agrue that. I'm as pissed as the next Honda fan that they refuse to go RWD or offer a V8 etc, etc... But it doesn't look like they're interested in taking 1st place in the HP wars. It seems they would simply rather be close and try to offer a better overall car.

I mentioned it in another thread. Don't expect the next Accord to have 3.5L V6 just because the Camry does. Expect a 3.2 or 3.3L V6 with similar HP, less Tq and better MPG than the Camry. Not much point in having more than ~270HP in a FWD car anyway.

dom

Definently bigger, just not as big as one would think for a car with 3 rows and a 3.5L V6. I was quite surprised when I first saw it up close. I think a CR-V still has more interior space.

Mokos23

I agree and the moral of this story is that Honda/Acura really needs to put more torque in their engines because the VQ engine has more guts than a VTEC engine.

dom

Yet somehow Acura still manages to easily outsell Infiniti.

There is more to a car than HP and TQ.

Mokos23

It's because Acura's are cheaper in price that's why.

Now does Acura outsell Lexus too?

Stevens24

You guys act like the only Rav4 anyone will buy is the V6 when in reality80% will be 4cylinders. So a 166hp vesusus a 180 hp new CRV that will be larger than the
RAV will sell fine.

Honda seems to get anough awards every year. So i don't really think thay are worried.

And the TL outsells the G35 every year.

dom

My point exactly. By your logic Infiniti should outsell Lexus because they're cheaper. Aren't most Infiniti's more powerful yet cheaper than a Lexus? They still don't come close to Lexus sales either.

Is a TL significanly cheaper than a G35? I don't think it is. I'm not going to get into sales figures and why Lexus easly outsells both Acura and Infiniti. There are many answers to that question. Point being you keep saying Acura needs more Tq, their cars are underpowered etc. I don't nessesaraly disagree. I could always use more power.

But you don't see people flocking to G35's over TL's jsut because it makes more power. Most people consider a number of things before buying. Again. there is so much more to a car than its engine.

MaximaPower

fan base for acura and lexus has been around alot longer than infiniti...infiniti has jus started growing and getting into the game

when i was in high school, all my friends drove hondas...but then again, i'm asian and most of my friends are asian...not many liked nissan and had no clue wat an infiniti was

for my friends parents, honda & toyota were the "safer" cars to buy....one in doubt buy honda or toyota

agranado

West6MT

Well, after reading though all of the posts,....................I think I agree with dom on just about every point he made,........weird.

Infamous425

2 reason why id buy an rdx over a rav4

1. i like that theres no tire on the rear hatch/door
2. rdx interior makes rav4's look like an econocar

dom

bigman

What do you mean we are too much. The fact is that horsepower sells cars, and unless Honda starts putting stronger motors in their cars and trucks, Toyota is going to walk all over them.

dom

What I mean by too much is you guys "think" the RDX is underpowered comapred to a Rav 4. 240 (RDX) vs 269 (Rav) is only 29HP. Hardly earth shattering. Considering the RDX has 14 more lb-ft and probly sooner in the RPM range it will hardly feel underpowered.

And Toyota is already walking all over them, and everyone else for that matter. If you think that by making their cars the most powerful in their class will suddenly help Honda pass Toyota in sales, your dreaming.

And I've think I've made my point that its takes alot more than HP to sell cars. Although I agree for some people its everything.


Horsepower sells cars right?

How the fawk did Toyota become the world best and most profitable automaker? It certainly wasn't by offering the most powerful cars in their class, thats for fawkin certain. Only within the last year has Toyota thrown down the gauntlet with their 3.5L V6 in varying applications.

F23A4

Judging by the number of TLs in the parking lot at my local commuter rail station (as well as in and around the streets of my town), I'd say the TL probably outsells the Toyota Camry as well.

F23A4

I have to admit, with Dom.

Horsepower is how Nissan staked a larger claim of market share but Toyota (during it's most recent growth trend) DEFINITELY did NOT reach the top via horsepower. As a matter of fact, only the UZFE powered Toyotas (GS430, SC430, etc,...) had respectable horsepower numbers but even then, the V6s of Nissan and Honda began to approach those levels....being eclipsed by Toyota's own 306hp 2GR-FSE V6 just this year. (I recall threads where we ripped Toyota for making some of the most boring products in the auto market place.)

IMHO, Toyota, Honda and Nissan got to where they are due to quality, value and performance, respectively.

dom

But thats not to stay that in some instances HP/TQ will definently help sell cars. Its an important number, just not as important as some make it out to be.

BMW's bulletproof reputation for performance is another great example of doing it with a great all around product that does not rely solely on the output of its engine.

Having said all that Honda will need more power and a RWD platform IMO to stay competitive and keep the marketshare they do have.

Back on topic, The 240HP figure will IMO have little to no impact on the RDX's success or failure. I'm also willing to bet a bump to that 240 figure for the 08 MY since in all likelyhood the next gen MDX will be pushing 300HP.