te3point5

The tranny failure in the 2nd gen TL was the result of a mechanical failure... Its not opinionated. Tranny broke=tranny broke thats clear cut. WHen you say the seat was uncomfortable, and that its a defect is wrong, because people have different ideas of what is comfortable... I'm sure there are many many people who are perfectly comfortable in the same g35 seat you sat in... So to counter your tranny point, a tranny breaking is a definite thing, broken to one, is not working to another, broken is broken. being uncomfortable in the seat is subjective. Its all a matter of opinion.

boku

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First off I’m going to try to put aside the harsh sarcasm that I usually bring to the boards, only because after reading that long and extremely drawn out piece of crap I feel so damn sorry for u.

While reading the first part of your post I kept thinking to myself that u have to actually say what your thinking out load for anyone to hear u. Sales people are persistent bustards but if you were actually saying those things like u said u did, u would have been out of there before the test drive began or at least after running those numbers.

Next I started thinking that if your going to buy a car of that "caliber" shouldn’t u at least think ahead enough to say to yourself "if I buy this car I won't have any money left for..... Hmm.....let’s say..... An emergency like DOCTOR’S FEES ? I mean common kinda reminds me of that Pontiac commercial where the dude's driving a BMW around with a pizza delivery sign on the roof.

I think Mantis23 said it best: Lack of research and a backbone on a major purchase causes back pain.
but i would also ad the fact that buyers remorse seemed to play a huge part in making this one of the worst (worst = stupidest) pre and post purchases ever

There are smart buyers and there are not so smart buyers. Ask yourself where u fit in.

Yeah but only after members of boards like this posted thread after thread after thread complaining about the trany problem.

Deity711

I stopped really paying attention when you said you gave them your info and SSN when you weren't ready to buy. The dealership is just dirty like that. I used to work for a company that produced the software for car dealerships to screw customers.

I know you said Canada, but are you originally from another country? I know car dealerships love to "take care of" foreigners.

The Dutch translator in my office was the butt of all jokes when the Pontiac dealership took him for a ride and he came to work with a metallic burnt orange Aztec with chrome rims.

SouthernBoy

Please excuse some of these members for their inability or just plain lack of caring to show or offer any feelings of sympathy for you predicament.

That said, you did make a few classic errors, of which, unfortunately, some dealerships are prone to or known to take serious advantage. We have one up here in this area (more than one, I can assure you) who historically has had a reputation of very high pressure tactics. So much that they've managed to acquire a not-to-favorable name for themselves. They are called "Hose-em-all".. the real name is Rosenthal.

There certainly are car seats that will cause you discomfort. I used to have a 1983 Toyota Cressida that would drive my sciatic nerve in my right leg nuts. I had to use a rolled up towel on the side of the seat on long trips to help this problem.

I have two TLs; my '04 manual and my wife's '05 automatic. The seats were changed between the two years. Now a lot of people on this site complain about the butt prints on the '04 driver's seat and for sure, such is the case. But I have to say that on a long trip, the seat in my '04 is more comfortable than my wife's '05. We took her car on a long trip in May and I found myself sqirming and shifting my position from time to time to ward off the onset of sciatic nerve stress. I have never had to do this in my '04. Incidently, I'm 5'10" and 190 pounds.

Good luck.. sorry to hear of your horror story.

mclarenf3387

Wow, I can't believe I actually wasted my time reading that.

Wheres that we really like your little story pic when you need it.

You got taken by the dealer, its no ones fault but yours. You let them play you. Whenever buying a car, you CAN ALWAYS WALK AWAY. Car dealers don't hold guns to peoples heads. If you don't like the deal, even if the roof seems like its caving in, walk out, regardless of some crap story a salesman feeds you (like a 3 week old salesman would really take vacation).

And little of this is Nissans fault. They have some control over dealers, but less than you think, and they have way too many cars out there to deal with everyones complaints themselves, thats why they have dealers. You just got a bad apple.

And I next time, take the car for a day. Any dealer should let you do this. My mom has been doing it for years with cars as many seats hurt her back because of a ciatica (sp?) problem. And its actually funny you mention it, cause she likes Nissan seats best.

Don't expact any sympathy from many here. And go to a fucking Chiropracter if your back hurts so bad and you don't have insurance. They usually can help with the pain.

oneilc

bah .. semantics

No offense dude, but chill on the grammar nazi act.

djinferno

First thing first, if you think I paid close to 40K$ on a car to put those ugly aftermarket seats in the car and lose the options like electronic seats and make the car lose value...
Secondly, it's illegal to remove seats with airbags and the dealer and aftermarket shops made it extremely clear that all they could do for me is change the fabric on the seat, thats it, any alterration on the seats came with liability issues... this is not PIMP MY RIDE, it's not TV...

Third, I researched this car for over 8 months, I was going to get a 350Z and there was no back seat so I when for the G35 for 1K more, tell me who reaserches the seats before a purchase? on a 40K car?.... 350Z seats don't fit in a G35 (Not the same floor) even if it was it does not hove the same floor plan and the seats do not recline to let someone in the back... it's a 2 seater car... and you still got to deal with the dam airbags that don't even use the same connectors from Nissan to Infiniti... trust me man, seats would be 2000$ each plus custom brackets and thats like ordered from Recaro plus install and you know the car loses value after that...


Now I'm not looking for simpathy, I was just pointing out a problem I know 100% Infiniti knows about..., I found over 1000 posts about the issue just by reaserching seat on g35driver.com...

I bought the car because I wanted it, this was a dream for me... I got it because it was a good deal... look in the trader and se how many of them are for sale on autotrader.com, 1 and 2 years old... not fishy to you? the dealer had more used then new for like a grand less then what i paid for...


Throw rocks if you want, i'm just putting it out there because i beleive that this can help others...

I don't know how many people have money left over after giving 4500$ down and paying 1400$ for my coverage on the car in the same month and have enought money left over to just buy something else or just pay new seats... if you can good for you, I wish I had your problems...


And to the idiots that say I don't have health insurance, I do, how the hell do you think I went to the hospital... theres steps to follow, thats the way my coverage works, PCP first and he makes the call for MRI...

djinferno

Heres a post I found on G35 driver...

Javarama
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Seat Comfort
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I stumbled upon this forum as I was searching for a solution to some rather severe back pain problems I am experiencing from driving my new G35. There have been quite a few threads on this site dedicated to this topic, although most folks who find the seat uncomfortable are complaining about leg discomfort while for me it is the upper right side of the back rest causing lat pain. Although I've only owned the car two months, I think I'm going to trade it in and take the financial hit. Not real happy about it to say the least, but driving what for me amounts to a torture-mobile just doesn't make a lot of sense.

I did take the vehicle back to the dealer and they told me they had never encountered anyone complaining about back pain (they must not track sites like this). They seemed helpful and even put a new seat in the vehicle at no charge to me. But I still have the same problem. Hard to imagine my size (6' 1", 190 lbs) is too large for the vehicle.

When I test drove the car, I didn't notice any discomfort with the seat... and I loved (and still do) everything else about the G. I've owned many vehicles over the years and do not even consider seat comfort when purchasing (until now). I can't think of a single car I have ever owned or drived that I found so incredibly uncomfortable.

Compounding my own problem, a good buddy of mine also bought a G35 a couple weeks after I bought mine because he liked it so much. He is also now complaining about seat discomfort.

To the extent anyone who is considering purchasing a G reads this post I would strongly encourage them to somehow get hold of the vehicle for a week or so before purchasing. As I noted above, I absolutely love everything about the car except the driver's seat. Unfortunately for me, that means that I'm probably going to take a $5k hit.

djinferno

Heres another one from one of many who tried contacting Nissan...

Blaine
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This is the e-mail trail of my correspondence with Infiniti about the seat control problem:

> ---- Original Message ----
> From : infinititestbox@sapient.com
> To : NNAConsumerAffairs@nissan-usa.com
> Subject : I need help regarding my vehicle [INTR:162466]
> Date : Mon, 24 Jan 2005 23:04:15 GMT
>
>
> 2200
> I just recently purchased a 2004 G35. As I have driven the vehicle, it has become noticeable that the seat controls in the seat cushion exert pressure on my upper thigh to the point of it being painful if driving for any length of time. I asked the dealer rep. if there had been any complaints on this issue, and he said he had not heard of any, and he said that the 2005 model has the same design. I am surprised that this was not resolved with the new model year as there has got to be other owners with similar complaints. Currently, I drive 15 minutes each way to work, and as I am sitting here typing this, I can feel what feels like a bruise on my thigh from the pressure from sitting next to the controls. I am 6' 0" 185 pounds and would consider myself to be of average build. It would seem that there should be some kind of retrofit kit available to remedy this problem. Please advise.
> InfinitiContactUs

nnaconsumeraffairs@nissan-usa.com
01/25/2005 09:08 AM

To:
cc:
Subject: Re: I need help regarding my vehicle [INTR:162466]


Blaine

Thank you for your correspondence to Infiniti. It is always a pleasure to hear from one of our customers who has taken the time to write and provide us with comments about their vehicle.

We are sorry to hear of the concerns you have regarding the design of your 2004 G35. Infiniti is committed to designing and building vehicles that incorporate our customers' needs for styling, performance, quality and safety.

Currently, there is no technical bulletin or kit available in regards to your seat control/cushion concern. We recommend contacting your local Infiniti dealer to review vehicle concerns which may be addressed under warranty.

Thank you again for writing and we wish you many carefree miles with your Infiniti G35.

Sincerely,

Alexander M.
Consumer Affairs Specialist
Infiniti Division


Alexander,

It doesn't appear that a claim against the warranty is a viable option for this problem as it is design related. My purpose in contacting Infiniti is to notify you of the problem hoping that this issue has been or will be addressed by the design team and a solution pursued. This may be something that is correctable for the current model year or a change in subsequent model years; or at the very least you could give directions on how the owners could remedy this problem on their own.

In further discussions with the dealer, they are at a loss as to what could be fixed warranty wise. The only thought that they could come up with, was if somehow the controls were assembled wrong at the factory; but this is not likely as the problem is a result of no padding in the seat area where instead there are the seat controls. In my opinion, this is a result of a paradigm shift to a bad idea. Seat cushions are for sitting, not for hard controls. Had I driven the vehicle for any length of time (longer than a test drive) before making the purchase, I would have chosen a different auto maker .

Blaine

Additionally, I have asked other dealers if they have had any complaints, and they deny that they have had any. Go figure.

youngTL

It seems most people have problems with the fact that the seat controls are in a stupid spot, not the seatbacks. I took one look at the inside at the auto show, sat in it, and decided I'd never want that car because of the terrible ergonomics. But I followed through on my opinion at least, and checked it out beforehand. It's kind of silly not to consider seat comfort. That's usually the first thing I notice about a car's interior after I close my eyes.

Secret Agent

Hey why not look at the Acura TL?

zeroday

buy a buick.

oneilc

or buy yourself a coffin because buicks are for old as mofos

Edr0e

Oh man sorry to hear what happened. THose sneaky salesmans. I considered a g35 but after test driving it, it wasnt for me. The dash was way too high, ergonomics sucked, and the seat was way too bucket like, low, and uncomfortable to me.

My fam has bought 2 acura TL's from the same dealership within 1 year.
I called them the other day to inform them that their transmission had failed on me on the freeway ( 2nd time ) and I almost got into an accident.

First off, the service guy had the nerve to tell me that my transmission was not under extended warranty ( 100k ). I tell him im sure it is... up till 100k miles or 7 years.

He then proceeds to tell me to bring in the car but nothing is for sure... I ask him is there any way I can get a loaner? He says, " No, but enterprise rent a car is less than a mile away." So how much is it to replace my transmission? Close to 4 thousand dollars and it will take atleast a week."

So i call the next closest dealership, they say "sure bring the car in. We will give you a loaner as well. Im sorry about your problems, we have been experiencing many problems with the 2nd generation TL's transmissions. We will fix the problem, btw did you need any service done to your car? Yes as a matter of fact. THe 75k service and new brake pads.

I picked up my car today, new transmission and all. Took them 6 days. Not a penny spent on the tranny.



Difference between a good dealership and bad dealership is night and day.

Steer clear of the ones who act like this the only car you are gonna buy from them and they must take advantage of you... Its real obvious the second they start wheeling and dealing over a couple hundred bucks.

Edr0e

I suggest santa monica acura for anyone in the West LA area. They have great service. Not sure about sales tho, but they seem like great salesmen. I went in a few years ago to look at a type R, even though I seemed real young they treated me with respect... not like some punk who cant afford the car and is just wasting their time..

samkws

wow
i am looking for a G coupe and now makes me think twice

samkws

hey there's nth wrong with a buick, it last longer than ur granny and all other hondas/acuras

that was my first car and still in my good memory

Shoofin

Did you close the door and try to reach your hand over between the door and the seat to see how much room there is? Infiniti put the conrols on top for a reason. IMHO, I don't mind the placement of the controls at all, it doesn't get in my way, nor does it bother me. It's different coming from someone who sat in the car for a second, as opposed to someone who owns it, I guess. Speaking about great ergonomics, Like Acura's choice of location for the sunroof switch, plus it's inability to automatically open or close. I know this is the case in the 99-03 model, not sure about the newer one. I could go on and on. I don't know if Acura is justified by putting the switch where it is, but every carmaker generally has a reason for everything in the cars. I still can't get over this major complaint about the seats in the G35....It's definately more comfortable than my Scion xB, as the seating position is more upright, and with the seats and dash in it's position, I have to slide the seat all the way back to get a longer clutch pedal push, causing me to hunch forward, which in turn gives me shoulder pain, which I have a lot of right now..

Infamous425

umm, you researched for 8 months yet you didnt find anything about the seat problems until after you bought the car...

chef chris

Speaking about great ergonomics, Like Acura's choice of location for the sunroof switch, plus it's inability to automatically open or close.

Sunroof, cruise, etc. Good point. Each car has its own little quirks & nitpicks.

The last Maxima I owned had the mirror controls behind the steering wheel...was impossible to sit in the drivers position & adjust the mirror to see. But, other than that...the car was fantastic all around.

djinferno

do you lookinto seat problems?

sipark

I knew about the seat problems.. And I'm not even in the market for a G35..

samkws

talking about ergonomics....i think BMW and MB are lagging way behind in this area...

if you ask any BMW owner and they will all tell u it sucks

djinferno

wow, i really don't think thats tru man, most owners i know keep talking about great ergonomics

euro cars are just above imo in ergonomics

te3point5

You don't look into seat problems, but you look into general problems, and you said 100 posts about back problems, just suprised you didn't find this in 8 months of research. With 8 months of research, you should have been able to read every post on the G35 forum... and since 1000 of them dealt with back pain, you figure you'd catch that.

Shoofin

I will say that I think BMW put their window switches and door lock switch in the worst location, which is on the center console around the shifter. Thank goodness they finally got smart and all their cars have it on the doors where they belong now....Look at the PT cruiser, the window switches are on the dash board, above the radio! Talk about ...
Ed

phipark

I want my time back.

AdamNJ

What happened to you really sucks, but you let it happen. You shouldn't allow yourself to be pressured into shit like this. While they might have had all your info, WV keys (that was a mistake)...etc, until you sign your title over they don't own it. If you really wanted to get out of there, when you demand your keys and they don't give them back, tell them you will call the cops. If they don't listen then start making a scene infront of the other customers. They would rather lose your sale then 5 from the other people that are there.

When the salesman tries to make you feel bad, tell him 'fuck you, get a real job', or 'not my problem' just like the sales manager. You are there to buy something that you want, not help other people when they lie to you and make you feel bad.

youngTL

All Acura models except the new TL (and I think RL) have the sunroof switch in the traditional Honda location on the dash. The TL (and possibly RL) have it on the roof, with a one touch open I believe. I know for SURE it's on the roof in the TL by the sunroof though. Either location works for me. I just don't like how on my first gen TL the cruise control switch is behind the turn signal stalk!

VTEC11

This must have been the longest post I've ever read on az.

Deity711

So basically, this is all about you whinning about your inexperience in car buying, and your lack of ability to operate a power seat.

As for the sunroof switch on the dash, I actually like it there. It keeps people in the passenger seat from fooling around with it.

TypeSAddict

Rule #2 - Never read a post that has subtitles.

boku

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^REALZ

LalchandYamlajat

My Dad was looking at the new Maxima and test drove it. The guy took his keys to his other car and wouldnt give them back. My Dad got mad and just left, and they still didnt give him hes keys back when he walked away. He said he'll call the cops, they gave him his keys back.

BoostMotives

wow that sucks sorry dude

mclarenf3387

Wow, you truely must be the stupidest person alive.

THe older BMWs had some of the best ergonomics of any car. The dashboard wrapped around the driver so the controls in the center faced you. The newer ones aren't great, but they are still pretty good, some just complain about the iDrive.

I have never really heard many complaints with Mercedes either about ergonomics.

I think German cars have some of the best ergonomics out there.

BEETROOT

an old school 325i my parents used to have was the most comfortable and ergonomically perfect car I've ever driven.

Crazy Bimmer

I sorta liked it when the windows switches were by the shifter. I always had at least one hand on the steering wheel at all times thanks to it. So easy to move my hand from the shifter to the window switches.

And samkws shouldnt be allowed to think.

JediMindTricks

to the original poster, just wanna say that i'm sorry to hear about everything's that happened to you.

regardless of what happened or whose fault it was for this or that, anyone would like their car buying experience to be enjoyable and satisfying. hope your back gets better, and good luck with your next car buying purchase, whenever that might be.

oonowindoo

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most of the ppl i know (including me) do not drive with their head attached to the seat headrest... i have seen some ppl do that and they look retarted.....


i have had 2 g35 since 03. and i drove them to vegas many many times.. and i was perfectly fine with the seats...i think the g35 seats r one of the most comfortable ones ( better than benz) i have ever had.

i also got rid of mine not because they suck... but because i like try new things from time to time....