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Old 08-26-2010 | 03:11 PM
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I am not being stubborn. I was disputing what the writer said about approaching AUDI like interiors. I am NOT disputing the value of the car!!!
Who did you rent the car from? I've been trying to rent a 2011 Mustang from either Budget or Avis for a roadtrip and I haven't had much luck on their website despite them saying that they have the cars in their fleet.
Old 08-26-2010 | 03:12 PM
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Yeah, maybe the live axle idea clouded my driving experience. And maybe because I drive an IS-F which made the mustang CONVERTIBLE feel like a boat. Maybe, I should test drive the GT to be fair to the car in question here.
See now, that's a sensible argument... Coming from an IS-F I can see how a base convertible may handle slightly worse than what you're used to, that's completely understandable. Also, even I thought the convertible was way too soft, it's also heavier too.

Originally Posted by cuteguy1414
I am not being stubborn. I was disputing what the writer said about approaching AUDI like interiors. I am NOT disputing the value of the car!!!
Obviously that writer has high regards for the Mustang's interior, that's his opinion and while you may disagree, it is afterall just an opinion; we've all got them
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See now, that's a sensible argument... Coming from an IS-F I can see how a base convertible may handle slightly worse than what you're used to, that's completely understandable. Also, even I thought the convertible was way too soft, it's also heavier too.



Obviously that writer has high regards for the Mustang's interior, that's his opinion and while you may disagree, it is afterall just an opinion; we've all got them
In the writer's defense, maybe he was talking about the B7

I want to go test drive a Mustang GT with the upgraded interior but I'm afraid I'll get all Smeagol over it

Old 08-26-2010 | 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by charliemike
Who did you rent the car from? I've been trying to rent a 2011 Mustang from either Budget or Avis for a roadtrip and I haven't had much luck on their website despite them saying that they have the cars in their fleet.

I do not remember as my wife booked the rental. I will PM you tonight regarding this
Old 08-26-2010 | 03:54 PM
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You are comparing apples to oranges, FYI...

The rental mustang convertable you had didn't have the premium interior or the GT suspension as was tested in the article in question.
Old 08-26-2010 | 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by mrsteve
You are comparing apples to oranges, FYI...

The rental mustang convertable you had didn't have the premium interior or the GT suspension as was tested in the article in question.
Like what I said in previous posts...PREMIUM OR NOT, the interior is still not up to par as I am accustomed to Acura and Lexus interiors. Only the Cadillac CTS can approximate if not better these interiors.
The GT suspension is the X factor here..
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But at the end of the day on this comparo, MY CHOICE IS STILL THE M3!! I rest my case!!
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Originally Posted by cuteguy1414
Like what I said in previous posts...PREMIUM OR NOT, the interior is still not up to par as I am accustomed to Acura and Lexus interiors. Only the Cadillac CTS can approximate if not better these interiors.
The GT suspension is the X factor here..
And I'm sure someone who drives an Aston Martin would think your Acura interior is "not up to par". Still apples to oranges.
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And I'm sure someone who drives an Aston Martin would think your Acura interior is "not up to par". Still apples to oranges.
Correction: I drive a Lexus IS-F..
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Sexy indeed. I am impressed with this picture but sit in a demo that many have driven and it then doesnt look so nice anymore. Anything looks great in a processed photo.

Maybe ill go take a picture of the Demo they have. Its a good indication on how the interior might wear over time.

Its about on par quality wise as the asking price of the vehicle is. IMO

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Old 08-26-2010 | 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by cuteguy1414
Yeah, maybe the live axle idea clouded my driving experience. And maybe because I drive an IS-F which made the mustang CONVERTIBLE feel like a boat. Maybe, I should test drive the GT to be fair to the car in question here.

what year mustang was it, gurenteed, it was an 08-09 which have shitty interiors compaired to the 11's.
Old 08-26-2010 | 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by flappy188
what year mustang was it, gurenteed, it was an 08-09 which have shitty interiors compaired to the 11's.
No, it was a 2010 convertible..
Old 08-26-2010 | 05:57 PM
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I must chime in here and disagree with you completely. Last night, before placing the order for my V6, I took one for a drive again and drove it as hard as I possibly could, over every kind of road surface I could find. Not once did I feel the rear suspension was hindering the control or experience of the car.

I wouldn't be buying the car if I felt it didn't handle well, or if I felt the rear axle was holding the car back in any way.

I think people have it stuck into their brain that the solid rear axle is the end of the world, and it's only good for horse drawn buggies and transport trucks.

Autoblog even said when they reviewed the car, they'd rather have the soild rear axel in the Mustang than the independant rear suspension in the Camaro.

Also, I highly doubt the interior was the premium one. Do you remember if the spokes of the steering wheel were black plasic or real aluminum?

Edmunds compared the 2011 Mustang GT to the 2010 Camaro SS. Their driving and test results preferred the handling of the Camaro to the Mustang. There's only so much you can do to a solid axle suspension for bumpy real world conditions but it does some like Ford has refined the solid axle suspension very well on the GT. I thought Ford developed a Mustang with a independent rear suspension on the older Cobra's?


IMO the writer from Autoblog was either a Ford fan or getting Ford kickbacks.

http://www.insideline.com/ford/musta...camaro-ss.html

"The most obvious difference between the Camaro's and Mustang's respective chassis is out back where the Chevy has a multilink independent suspension while the Ford retains the same sort of solid rear axle that underpinned the chariots of the Roman Legion. Ford has never tuned the Mustang's suspension better than on the '11 GT. There's a certain eagerness to how the Mustang reacts to steering inputs, as if the car just can't wait to move. Even with the traction control engaged, the Mustang GT is always dancing, ready to pounce and excited to test the limits of its P245/45R19 Pirelli P Zeroes. It's flat fun.
As well tuned as the Mustang's solid axle is, however, it's still not an independent system. The Mustang's rear end takes its time to calm down after knocking against a pothole or bump, and this sort of skittishness can be unnerving. On the rugged freeway surfaces of Southern California, the Mustang's rear end never quite has a chance to settle in completely. It's as if the coil springs are always working back there and they want you to know it.

Meanwhile the Camaro SS feels as if its summer-spec 245/45R20 Pirelli P Zeroes are sutured to the pavement with steel cables. The independent rear suspension produces a poised, comfortable ride the Mustang can't match, and deals with pavement hiccups almost casually. If the Mustang feels like it's skipping over the road, the Camaro feels like it's a smothering steamroller. The steering doesn't have the same giddy, light feel that you sense in the Mustang, but it's precise and quick enough. It's reassuring where the Mustang is entertaining.
On the slalom course, the Mustang GT waltzes through at a respectable 65.9 mph while the Camaro goes full blitz at 68.2 mph. At the skid pad the Mustang orbits at 0.87g, while the Camaro is slightly better at 0.89g. The Camaro may not win the argument when it comes to the sense of subjective engagement by the driver, but its handling performance is undeniably impressive.
The Brembo-equipped Camaro dominates the braking zone with consistent 111-foot stops from 60 mph. The best that the Mustang can do on its all-weather rubber is 117 feet. We should note, however, that the blue Mustang GT with the optional Brembos and summer tires did the job in just 109 feet."

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Old 08-26-2010 | 08:52 PM
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mustang= best car evarrrrrr!!!!!


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Old 08-26-2010 | 09:14 PM
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IMO...
anyone who "gets" what the mustang is intended to be and is to them, would not be complaining about the interior finish.



In the weight of things, to me, funtodriveability outweighs cosmetics on the interior panels. Bluetooth, reverse camera, down mirrors, window auto down/up, heated seats are all sexy options that I've gotten used to. Most of which can be had with a module or pioneer avic for well under a grand. Get creative and have a few choice pieces rewrapped in matching leather or painted to match and c'mon. What else could you complain about. A mustang has power, it has the sound, it has the intimidation factor. I will either buy one very soon...or I will buy a used one in the next 2 years. I'm sold on the dark silver color with dark brown interior with projectors. I'll skip out on sync and GPS because of the aforementioned reasons.

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Old 08-26-2010 | 09:22 PM
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Sexy indeed. I am impressed with this picture but sit in a demo that many have driven and it then doesnt look so nice anymore. Anything looks great in a processed photo.

Maybe ill go take a picture of the Demo they have. Its a good indication on how the interior might wear over time.

Its about on par quality wise as the asking price of the vehicle is. IMO
The demo I kicked the shit out of (as many others have according to the salesman) looked brand new, and it hadn't been washed or cleaned at all. It had about 3,000 km's on it and aside from some dirt on the carpet everything seemed fine. I'd like to see the picture of the demo you saw.
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Originally Posted by cuteguy1414
No, it was a 2010 convertible..
The new ones are 2011s. Just FYI. No wonder you thought it sucked
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Originally Posted by charliemike
The new ones are 2011s. Just FYI. No wonder you thought it sucked
My bad..the mustang we rented looked exactly like this. It was a 2011.

By the way, Charlie, we rented this car from PAYLESS rent a car.




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Edmunds compared the 2011 Mustang GT to the 2010 Camaro SS. Their driving and test results preferred the handling of the Camaro to the Mustang. There's only so much you can do to a solid axle suspension for bumpy real world conditions but it does some like Ford has refined the solid axle suspension very well on the GT. I thought Ford developed a Mustang with a independent rear suspension on the older Cobra's?


IMO the writer from Autoblog was either a Ford fan or getting Ford kickbacks.

http://www.insideline.com/ford/musta...camaro-ss.html

"The most obvious difference between the Camaro's and Mustang's respective chassis is out back where the Chevy has a multilink independent suspension while the Ford retains the same sort of solid rear axle that underpinned the chariots of the Roman Legion. Ford has never tuned the Mustang's suspension better than on the '11 GT. There's a certain eagerness to how the Mustang reacts to steering inputs, as if the car just can't wait to move. Even with the traction control engaged, the Mustang GT is always dancing, ready to pounce and excited to test the limits of its P245/45R19 Pirelli P Zeroes. It's flat fun.
As well tuned as the Mustang's solid axle is, however, it's still not an independent system. The Mustang's rear end takes its time to calm down after knocking against a pothole or bump, and this sort of skittishness can be unnerving. On the rugged freeway surfaces of Southern California, the Mustang's rear end never quite has a chance to settle in completely. It's as if the coil springs are always working back there and they want you to know it.
Meanwhile the Camaro SS feels as if its summer-spec 245/45R20 Pirelli P Zeroes are sutured to the pavement with steel cables. The independent rear suspension produces a poised, comfortable ride the Mustang can't match, and deals with pavement hiccups almost casually. If the Mustang feels like it's skipping over the road, the Camaro feels like it's a smothering steamroller. The steering doesn't have the same giddy, light feel that you sense in the Mustang, but it's precise and quick enough. It's reassuring where the Mustang is entertaining.
On the slalom course, the Mustang GT waltzes through at a respectable 65.9 mph while the Camaro goes full blitz at 68.2 mph. At the skid pad the Mustang orbits at 0.87g, while the Camaro is slightly better at 0.89g. The Camaro may not win the argument when it comes to the sense of subjective engagement by the driver, but its handling performance is undeniably impressive.
The Brembo-equipped Camaro dominates the braking zone with consistent 111-foot stops from 60 mph. The best that the Mustang can do on its all-weather rubber is 117 feet. We should note, however, that the blue Mustang GT with the optional Brembos and summer tires did the job in just 109 feet."
This insideline writer described perfectly the driving experience I had with the live axle..well I reckon what I observed was not due to BIAS at all. Am glad
Old 08-26-2010 | 10:23 PM
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Everywhere I go, almost everyone praises the Mustang. It's nice to see that for a change.
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Hell, my mustang is going on 16 years old, has an archaic interior and doesnt even look that great compared to the new stuff.

Guess what though? Its sounds awesome, handles very decent, and hauls ass. When I annhililate the douchebag in the 335i is he able to say 'well my door panels feel nicer'. Yeah, ok.

If you're looking for a refined, well-riding, do-it-all type of sports coupe I still dont think the Mustang is what you should be looking at. Ford has done an AWESOME job improving in the areas of ergonomics and fit/finish, but I dont think they are trying to fool anyone into thinking its a $60k luxury sports coupe. If they can get just a couple Infiniti/BMW/MB/Lexus guys to live with the interior, thats a huge win for them.
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^ That was my point. Everyone raves about the interior but the truth is its nothing special. Sure its MUCH better than the old but thats not saying much. Not to say its ugly though.

End of the day Ford did an outstanding job on the car and its well worth the price. Lets just not think the interior is close to Audi standards. Thats all I am saying to those who are commenting about the interior.
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Originally Posted by charliemike
The new ones are 2011s. Just FYI. No wonder you thought it sucked
It was restyled both in and out for the 2010 MY. The 2011 added the new engines among other suspension tweaks. But the interior and exterior are indetical on 10's and 11's. Althoug the premium interior may have only been made available in 11'.
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^ That was my point. Everyone raves about the interior but the truth is its nothing special. Sure its MUCH better than the old but thats not saying much. Not to say its ugly though.

End of the day Ford did an outstanding job on the car and its well worth the price. Lets just not think the interior is close to Audi standards. Thats all I am saying to those who are commenting about the interior.
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I don't think there is enough "luxury" in the Mustang for my tastes. Sure its an amazing performance machine at an unbeatable price (and when compared with its true competition there is NO comparison) but I need more coddling from my car as I get older. I want heated seats and 14 speaker premium sound systems. I want 8 airbags and rain-sensing wipers. I want active HID's and puddle lights in the mirrors. And though the performance of the suspension may be solid, I still want to know that I have the absolute best of everything (which includes an IRS made mostly of aluminum). This is why I want an M3 instead. This is why I WOULD be willing to eat Ramen noodles in order to own that car.

I like the new Mustang GT. Alot. But I am in love with the M3....
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And thats perfectly fine. I would question from a financial aspect the purchase of anything that forced a diet of noodles and salt though.

I think what the mags and most people are saying is that the gap between what the mustang offers and what people expect in a near luxury car is very very slim.

You can get a 1000 watt stereo, heated seats, voice activated navigation, panoramic glass roof, HID's, and rearview camera.

Is the M3 a better car? Absolutely. Is it $25k better? Probably not, if you're looking for a performance coupe. If you are badge shopping then price doesnt matter.
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Interesting to see that most of the people with expensive cars dont seem to be giving the Mustang its dues....I wonder why

And unless the door panels of the M3 are lined with diamonds Im takin the five point oh
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Originally Posted by cuteguy1414
This insideline writer described perfectly the driving experience I had with the live axle..well I reckon what I observed was not due to BIAS at all. Am glad
I've not driven a new gen Camaro or Mustang but from what I've read it seems both GM and Ford have done a fine job executing both. One the Ford they've clearly focused on putting in a great DOHC motor and a solid rear, GM went for pushrod bike V8 and independent rear.

The 2010 Rouch Mustang I looked at had no where near a Audi interior, it wasn't even up to my 3G TL interior which is below a Audi interior for fit/finish/materials. But that didn't matter to the owner (businessman/lawyer in his early 60's), he's owned MB and BMW's before and his wife currenlty has a CLK350.

He wanted a nice weekend musclecar and he loves his Rouch. I'm going down to my friend's house who is a neighbor of the Rouch owner, maybe I'll try scam a ride in it (the owner offered before).
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Originally Posted by Legend2TL
I've not driven a new gen Camaro or Mustang but from what I've read it seems both GM and Ford have done a fine job executing both. One the Ford they've clearly focused on putting in a great DOHC motor and a solid rear, GM went for pushrod bike V8 and independent rear.

The 2010 Rouch Mustang I looked at had no where near a Audi interior, it wasn't even up to my 3G TL interior which is below a Audi interior for fit/finish/materials. But that didn't matter to the owner (businessman/lawyer in his early 60's), he's owned MB and BMW's before and his wife currenlty has a CLK350.

He wanted a nice weekend musclecar and he loves his Rouch. I'm going down to my friend's house who is a neighbor of the Rouch owner, maybe I'll try scam a ride in it (the owner offered before).
R-O-U-S-H The guy survived 2 plane crashes, at least spell his name right
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Adding a log to the fire:

Ford Announces their twin-screw S/C for the 2011 5.0L Mustang

525hp and a 12/12 warranty for $7,200k ... 624hp for $7,500 (no warranty) ... Comes with the S/C, new injectors, new manifold, and some other stuff.

Pretty good way to spend some of that $26k you saved on the M3
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R-O-U-S-H The guy survived 2 plane crashes, at least spell his name right
, my spelling is atrocious.
Roush should consider himself extremely lucky and fortunate and now hire a pilot!
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Agreed..


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Is that...Is THAT.... IS THAT HARD PLASTIC???!!!!
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Is that...Is THAT.... IS THAT HARD PLASTIC???!!!!
No way. My Audi's interior was made of perfection
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Well if we are comparing previous generations now....





I dunno, I think I like the Audi's better!
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Originally Posted by majin ssj eric
Well if we are comparing previous generations now....

I dunno, I think I like the Audi's better!
You missed the joke. And the B7 is one generation behind the one that is out now.

What year is that interior from? 1994?
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Thats probably a 1996 interior, as they changed the cupholder around that time. The 94/95 had a flip out cupholder from the center console. lol
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You missed the joke. And the B7 is one generation behind the one that is out now.

What year is that interior from? 1994?
And I think the Corolla has the best interior of all time!!
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Thats probably a 1996 interior, as they changed the cupholder around that time. The 94/95 had a flip out cupholder from the center console. lol
Awesome, so he's posting pictures of a 14-year old car, not a 16-year old one. Sheesh.

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Originally Posted by Shift_Acura
Interesting to see that most of the people with expensive cars dont seem to be giving the Mustang its dues....I wonder why

And unless the door panels of the M3 are lined with diamonds Im takin the five point oh
Yes, you are referring to me.

Why don't you read my posts first before you make your stupid generalizations, TSX owner!



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