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Old 09-29-2010 | 03:48 PM
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Moving from an 02 911 to ----

Yes that's right. After owning the Porsche for 5 months, I decided I want to sell it.

1st reason is that financially I should not have bought it from the first place as I used a credit line to pay for it. $40,000 @3.5% interest - so even though the monthly interest is low, who knows how long it will take me to pay the car off

2nd reason is that I am afraid of the maintenance of German cars (even though I still have 1.5 years of Porsche warranty left).

3rd reason is that I need to get rid of my car addiction and "grow up"

My choices now are in the used market of course and in the $15,000 range. They are all 4-door (have 2 kids) and have some fun factor in them

1. 2004-2006 Acura TL 6spd
2. 2005-2006 Subaru Legacy GT 5spd
3. 2007-2008 Honda Civic SI 4-door

Please discuss (without too much bashing)
Old 09-29-2010 | 03:51 PM
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those are great cars. You overpaid on the 911 unless it's a turbo or gt2
Old 09-29-2010 | 05:42 PM
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Well, I own a 2008 4dr Civic SI and have zero issues outside of tsb's.
Old 09-29-2010 | 06:04 PM
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Get the TL. Best car of the group.
Old 09-29-2010 | 06:08 PM
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those are great cars. You overpaid on the 911 unless it's a turbo or gt2
Even in Canadian dollars?
Old 09-29-2010 | 06:16 PM
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I vote the Subie, those are good looking cars and can easily be modified to produce far more power than either other car is capable of.
Old 09-29-2010 | 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by NSX7
Yes that's right. After owning the Porsche for 5 months, I decided I want to sell it.

1st reason is that financially I should not have bought it from the first place as I used a credit line to pay for it. $40,000 @3.5% interest - so even though the monthly interest is low, who knows how long it will take me to pay the car off

2nd reason is that I am afraid of the maintenance of German cars (even though I still have 1.5 years of Porsche warranty left).

3rd reason is that I need to get rid of my car addiction and "grow up"

My choices now are in the used market of course and in the $15,000 range. They are all 4-door (have 2 kids) and have some fun factor in them

1. 2004-2006 Acura TL 6spd
2. 2005-2006 Subaru Legacy GT 5spd
3. 2007-2008 Honda Civic SI 4-door

Please discuss (without too much bashing)

Good luck with that one.

Hello my name is madcaps and I too am a caraholic.

I say go with the Legacy. AWD>FWD
Old 09-29-2010 | 07:05 PM
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Even in Canadian dollars?
damn,i always forget that. nope that's about right.
Old 09-29-2010 | 07:09 PM
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Aren't modern porsches pretty reliable?
Old 09-29-2010 | 07:49 PM
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id go with the TL or TL-S 6MT or Subie... the civic is too small..
Old 09-29-2010 | 07:54 PM
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Old 09-29-2010 | 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by GIBSON6594
Aren't modern porsches pretty reliable?
996 (not gt2/3 and turbo)and 986 have ims issues. The rms seems to leak and the labor is expensive. The ims bearing can go at any time and most likely will grenade a $12-17,000 motor. There is an ln engineering ims bearing that is much more sturdy and better replacement.

the aos sometimes will go, but it's only a $100 or so part.

They are very reliable cars and very easy to work on(at least i think).

Beyond that, they are really reliable and can take a beating, that's what they are designed for.
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Originally Posted by KaMLuNg
id go with the TL or TL-S 6MT or Subie... the civic is too small..
the civic doesn't have that much power either.
Old 09-29-2010 | 08:06 PM
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Pictures of the Porsche?
Old 09-29-2010 | 08:13 PM
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I would say the Subaru Legacy GT beacuse you live in canada then the TL . x2 for Pictures of the Porsche
Old 09-29-2010 | 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Pure Adrenaline
Even in Canadian dollars?
Unless it's a C4S at least with decent mileage, I'd say he overpaid.
Old 09-29-2010 | 08:47 PM
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Count me as another vote for the Legacy over the TL. Both are great cars, but in different ways. I'd go for modability and AWD over luxury and technology.
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Originally Posted by NSX7
Yes that's right. After owning the Porsche for 5 months, I decided I want to sell it.

1st reason is that financially I should not have bought it from the first place as I used a credit line to pay for it. $40,000 @3.5% interest - so even though the monthly interest is low, who knows how long it will take me to pay the car off

2nd reason is that I am afraid of the maintenance of German cars (even though I still have 1.5 years of Porsche warranty left).

3rd reason is that I need to get rid of my car addiction and "grow up"

My choices now are in the used market of course and in the $15,000 range. They are all 4-door (have 2 kids) and have some fun factor in them

1. 2004-2006 Acura TL 6spd
2. 2005-2006 Subaru Legacy GT 5spd
3. 2007-2008 Honda Civic SI 4-door

Please discuss (without too much bashing)

i would consider "growing up" to be moving on to a Porsche 911 haha.


considering your choices, get the LGT.
Old 09-29-2010 | 08:48 PM
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you can get an 02 with 35-60k miles for 25-30k us
Old 09-29-2010 | 08:52 PM
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Si is the funnest car stock and I love those black/red stitched suede seats... if you're going to mod, go with the LGT. Civic Si is smaller than either of them, but really it's plenty of room for 4 adults. TL is great all around though, best interior of the bunch.

Personally, I would get an LGT simply because it wouldn't stay stock
Old 09-29-2010 | 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by madcaps
Good luck with that one.

Hello my name is madcaps and I too am a caraholic.
+1 I thought my 2G RL would be my last car for a decade and that I'd get out of the car habit. WRONG!

I'd get the TL. Just put snows on it for the winter and you're set.

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Old 09-29-2010 | 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by madcaps
Good luck with that one.

Hello my name is madcaps and I too am a caraholic.

I say go with the Legacy. AWD>FWD
forgot to quote this.... and
Old 09-29-2010 | 09:33 PM
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I'm stuck between the TL and the Si. The TL may be more comfortable for the kids on long trips.
Old 09-29-2010 | 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by NSX7

2nd reason is that I am afraid of the maintenance of German cars (even though I still have 1.5 years of Porsche warranty left).
If I'm not mistaken, porsche's are very reliable, more so than toyota(according to J.D power). They are usually the top of the J.D power survey, at least the last few times I saw it. Dunno about 02 though.

Maintenance costs will be high though. So i guess that would be more of a reason.

As for cars to look at, I would maybe lean toward the subie and tl. Drive both and see how you like it. Si, I dont think competes with those two cars.
Old 09-30-2010 | 08:02 AM
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Old 09-30-2010 | 09:14 AM
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so what you guys are saying is that I will never grow up and get rid of that bad addiction

If that is the case, might as well keep the 911 and avoid losing money buying and selling cars
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Swapping cars is an addiction. I'm 21 and I've had 3 cars of my own since I was 16. No matter how much money I pour into my car, I always want something new.

You need to pick something and stick with it.
Old 09-30-2010 | 09:30 AM
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If I'm not mistaken, porsche's are very reliable, more so than toyota(according to J.D power). They are usually the top of the J.D power survey, at least the last few times I saw it. Dunno about 02 though.

Maintenance costs will be high though. So i guess that would be more of a reason.
They are fairly reliable cars which is why they're so popular. As dallison mentioned, some do have RMS issues, but other then that they are fairly stout. Maintenance will be higher then any of the alternative cars listed, but you gotta pay to play.

Is the Porsche a weekend car? If so, definitely keep it. If not, keep it and get a beater as a commuter. There's no way I'd get rid of the Porsche for any of the cars listed...
Old 09-30-2010 | 09:36 AM
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They are fairly reliable cars which is why they're so popular. As dallison mentioned, some do have rms issues, but other then that they are fairly stout. Maintenance will be higher then any of the alternative cars listed, but you gotta pay to play.

Is the porsche a weekend car? If so, definitely keep it. If not, keep it and get a beater as a commuter. There's no way i'd get rid of the porsche for any of the cars listed...
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Another vote for a nice Leggy
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Originally Posted by dallison
996 (not gt2/3 and turbo)and 986 have ims issues. The rms seems to leak and the labor is expensive. The ims bearing can go at any time and most likely will grenade a $12-17,000 motor. There is an ln engineering ims bearing that is much more sturdy and better replacement.

the aos sometimes will go, but it's only a $100 or so part.

They are very reliable cars and very easy to work on(at least i think).

Beyond that, they are really reliable and can take a beating, that's what they are designed for.
Glossary for non-Porsche fanatics:

RMS - Rear main seal (crankshaft)
IMS - Intermediate shaft (camshaft drive)

Porsche now has a good procedure to check for RMS issues and a much improved seal. The IMS problem is actually a bad bearing design, which has seen several updates from Porsche with mixed success. The early M96 engined cars had more instances of both these problems (97-01 Boxster, 99-01 911). LN engineering does seem to have the best fixes for these issues.

These cars are easy enough to work on for everything you can get to......
Old 09-30-2010 | 11:07 AM
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Is it safe to say that the TL will generally be more reliable and cost less to maintain? or is that a myth?

I really want to sell the 911 because it is not wise to put $40,000 on a credit line that you don't know when it will be paid off

$15,000 on the credit line is definitely way more manageable
Old 09-30-2010 | 11:15 AM
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im voting for the legacy..

but i dont agree with the whole growing up idea...
you can be a very mature individual and take care of family business while still owning a car you desire.

my father did it his entire life.
Old 09-30-2010 | 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by NSX7
so what you guys are saying is that I will never grow up and get rid of that bad addiction

If that is the case, might as well keep the 911 and avoid losing money buying and selling cars
No need to grow out of car addiction. Just make sure to keep a level head and not get carried away by that addiction.

The 911 was a toy correct? IMO a toy should be paid in full before you even consider getting one. Good luck with whatever you decide and don't give up on getting another one someday.
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No need to grow out of car addiction. Just make sure to keep a level head and not get carried away by that addiction.

The 911 was a toy correct? IMO a toy should be paid in full before you even consider getting one. Good luck with whatever you decide and don't give up on getting another one someday.

Actually it was a daily driver (the only car) and I even bought a used set of winter rims and tires for it
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Originally Posted by NSX7
Actually it was a daily driver (the only car) and I even bought a used set of winter rims and tires for it
Well then, that was a dumb purchase.
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Actually it was a daily driver (the only car) and I even bought a used set of winter rims and tires for it
With 2 kids you definitely need a different daily driver. TL if you want a nice interior. Legacy if you want 4wd. Both will be good for dd.
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With 2 kids you definitely need a different daily driver. TL if you want a nice interior. Legacy if you want 4wd. Both will be good for dd.
Actually the 911 is a very nice dd - my kids are 7&5 so they fit perfectly in the back seats - I even went to Costco and had to fit all these boxes in the car - it was quite an adventure - selling it is more for financial and mental wisdom - that's all

basically it's a fight right now between passion and wisdom
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your kids are not going to be 7 and 5 forever. they will grow up and not be able to fit back there. you could sell the 911 in like five years when they are older if you want.


also i think its pretty cool to be driven to school in a 911...just sayin...


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