oonowindoo

only Honda would come up with a fancy name for something that was introduced by everyone else 5 years ago.

SamDoe1

Honda/Acura just need to get back into the game with a new S2000, Integra, Civic Type R (for the US market at least), TLX Type S and that sort of thing. These cars clearly sell for EVERY OTHER MAKE so why wouldn't they sell for Honda?

Subaru/Scion are selling oodles of FRS/BRZ models, they can hardly keep them on the lot these days. A new S2k would fit perfectly in this slot and it would, hopefully, be a convertible to make it that much more fun.

Ford is selling tons of the ST, VW has been selling tons of GTI's for decades, Hyundai would have sold tons of the Veloster Turbo had it not been slow, the WRX/STi is sold out in all of the dealers around my home, etc. A new Integra and/or a Civic Type R would fit in perfect in this market.

All of the luxury makes have a performance arm that sells tons, BMW is selling tons of new M3/M4 and ditto for MB. Lexus will start selling tons of ISF models as soon as they replace it with the next gen IS body. Nissan is going to kill it with the Q50 (or whatever it's called these days) Eau Rouge. At the very least a TLX Type S would be excellent here, a Type R would be better still.

Why Honda refuses to tap into these markets is beyond me. They are still gun shy from the recession and don't want to risk it that people will continue to have as much money as they do now to spend on fast, powerful cars.

blakura

I did the same thing, I was tired of waiting for the TLX, and couldn't stomach driving the RLX on a daily basis, so I picked up an A6, and haven't looked back!

YeuEmMaiMai

no I had it right the first time....

g37guy01

I was surprised when I read this (elsewhere).

Dissatisfaction for BMW and Audi sales don't reflect in their sales. Although I unseat and the perpetuating myth that every BMW is a money pit.

And I have no idea why people would be dissatisfied with Acura ownership. Test drive the car; like it, buy it. Can't be anything having to do with the dealership network. Doesn't make sense.

As for me I bought another Infiniti, there didn't seem to be enough draw in the TLX for me; I didn't even bother with BMW this time around. I like infiniti's combination of performance and luxury and the looks of their vehicles have really grown on me. Acura has a combination of luxury and performance, which their is nothing wrong with but I like the "p" to come first.

cmschmie

Family owns 1 Acura, 1 Jeep and 1 Dodge...

However, this is my last Acura ('06 TSX). The only model that interests me is the MDX, but it doesn't fit my needs. Looking at a VW as my next car.

I am personally not a fan of Chrysler products, but the wife's uncle owned a DCJ dealership (now works as a salesman at another dealership) so we bought her Liberty and the family van from him at good prices...

Vlad_Type_S

iTrader: (3)

Something from a basic operations management course: to be the leader in an market or industry, you either have to offer a product that is different/superior than your competition, or offer the same product for less cost. I am aware that it's actually more complex than this, but Acura is doing neither of these things. Their cars are not necessarily any better or different than their competitors in the market they are targeting. And they aren't doing it for cheap either! Maybe this is a gross oversimplification, but I really don't think you get a lot of bang/buck with a new Acura at all, which seems to be the platform that made it such a great brand in the previous decades. Acura just, is. It's confused. It's trying to target the luxury market with a product that is comparable in value to 'lesser' brands like Subaru, Honda, Ford, etc. And I certainly can't fault them for not targeting the enthusiast market with sport trim versions and manual transmissions: if it was more profitable, I'm sure they would. Another basic theory of business: get rid of your least profitable item because it costs the most to even keep it on your product list. Boom, shareholder value.

Remember that advert for Saturn many years ago where a bunch of cardboard boxes were driving around? New Acuras are exactly that.

The key word is imagine.

I have a theory. These folks walk into a dealer, test drive it, like it, buy it. As time goes on, they start to realize they could have gotten a better car for the same price or a similar car for less. Better being subjective of course, there are faster, more luxurious, more fuel efficient, better looking cars for less money. I don't think they're dissatisfied with the actual cars, I think they're dissatisfied with the amount of value they get for their money.

chill_dog

That's because cars are ridiculously overpriced these days.

Mr Marco

Did you happen to note the tie for third least liked between Jeep/Audi?

Whiskers

Hey, me too!

Vlad_Type_S

iTrader: (3)

The price isn't really the bottom line tho, right? I mean, isn't the point to get your money's worth out of it? The ILX costs ~6k more than a Civic (nav models on both). What do you get for 6k? Worse gas mileage, a couple more HP, a slightly better sound system, and keyless handles. I'll take the Civic and spend my 6k on a new motorcycle, and have loads more fun than the guy with the ILX enjoying his extra speaker.

What makes a car great? You fall in love with it! It has personality, character. Falling in love with a new Acura is like getting excited for going back to school shopping, or getting a new stapler in your office. It's great at first because it's new, but you quickly realize it's totally boring and now you're stuck with it because it's a bad financial decision to replace it. If you're going to have something boring, it shouldn't cost as much as the actually exciting alternatives.

Also noteworthy, cars in USA are much much cheaper to own than in many other parts of the world.

oo7spy

I can admit I am getting tired of defending Acura. The fact that a SH-AWD RLX isn't out before the TLX is inexcusable. The fact that the TLX doesn't have a 6MT is excusable in the luxury market but is inexcusable with any Honda fan.

I can get a fucking Ford Taurus with a twin turbo V6. Grandpa's Caddilac now offers a TT V6 BELOW a S/C V8. Acura had a chance with the SH-AWD RLX to get a powerful, economical sedan to market before the rest. Cadillac just smashed that. They better get an NSX out the door, or everyone is going to laugh harder than they already are. If they have ANY sense, they will take the TT V6 from the racing TLX and offer it to us with a 6MT. But I won't hold my breath.

ttribe

oonowindoo

welcome to the reality.

jhumbo

iTrader: (1)

I was thinking exactly the same thing when I was looking at those numbers. Seemed to me that many times people are more disappointed based on expectations prior to buying. For example, BMW and Audi were on the less satisfied side of the spectrum. Probably because their owners expected a lot.

Right now I own a Kia. I am very satisfied with it because it was a great value and has delivered everything I expected. I absolutely know that a BMW is a better vehicle, but I'm still very satisfied with my Kia because of my expectations and price paid going into it.

Sarlacc

Did you happen to read any of my other replies...