View Poll Results: Mistake to make the EL/RSX Acura/ and the S2K Honda?
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Mistakes by Honda?
05-13-2005, 11:43 AM
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Mistakes by Honda?
Mistakes?
EL, RSX (Integra)- Under Acura
S2K- Honda
Mistakes? (I'm implying that the S2K should have been Acura, and the EL/ RSX should have been honda).
discuss.
EL, RSX (Integra)- Under Acura
S2K- Honda
Mistakes? (I'm implying that the S2K should have been Acura, and the EL/ RSX should have been honda).
discuss.
05-13-2005, 11:46 AM
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I think the RSX should have been a Honda, and the S2K should stay where it is. Acura = Luxury line, and I don't see an RSX as a luxury car. EL should be Honda also.
Take the Mercedes, Lexus, Infinity and BMW as an example. You don't see little 4 bangers in those. Yeah Mercedes still had 4 cylinder engines, but they weren't meant for performance. They're main purpose is luxury.
Take the Mercedes, Lexus, Infinity and BMW as an example. You don't see little 4 bangers in those. Yeah Mercedes still had 4 cylinder engines, but they weren't meant for performance. They're main purpose is luxury.
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05-13-2005, 11:51 AM
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EL is a good Acura for the Canadian market. There is a demand for it, leave it alone.
The S2000 is a Honda through and through, far too "raw" to be luxurious (unlike the NSX which is a tolerable daily driver)
The RSX and 2nd/3rd generation Integra should have been called Honda Preludes.
The cars we knew as the 92-01 Prelude should have been an Acura, it was quite refined and just needed a few luxury items (leather and climate control) to make it an entry level sports/luxury coupe.
The S2000 is a Honda through and through, far too "raw" to be luxurious (unlike the NSX which is a tolerable daily driver)
The RSX and 2nd/3rd generation Integra should have been called Honda Preludes.
The cars we knew as the 92-01 Prelude should have been an Acura, it was quite refined and just needed a few luxury items (leather and climate control) to make it an entry level sports/luxury coupe.
05-13-2005, 12:00 PM
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I've always said that I find it rediculous that there is a 33k Honda with leather, HIDs, RWD and an engine start button, while there is an Acura for 23k where you can't even GET HIDs as an option. 
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05-13-2005, 12:02 PM
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-EL should be a new trim for the Honda Civics
-S2K belongs in Honda
-RSX should also be in Honda.
This will make more sense once the mid-40k "Sports car" comes out for Acura (Temple Matrix).
-S2K belongs in Honda
-RSX should also be in Honda.
This will make more sense once the mid-40k "Sports car" comes out for Acura (Temple Matrix).
05-13-2005, 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Munch00
I've always said that I find it rediculous that there is a 33k Honda with leather, HIDs, RWD and an engine start button, while there is an Acura for 23k where you can't even GET HIDs as an option.
Plus, the price says it all. A 33k car will have much more than a 23k car no matter what the brand/maker/manufacturer is.
05-13-2005, 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by iamhomin
Under the notion Honda < Acura, yes it's ridiculous, but I don't find it ridiculous at all.
Plus, the price says it all. A 33k car will have much more than a 23k car no matter what the brand/maker/manufacturer is.
Plus, the price says it all. A 33k car will have much more than a 23k car no matter what the brand/maker/manufacturer is.
Well, I, like a lot of other people, have a notion that a Honda that could equal 35k after taxes is insane. If it were to fall under the Acura marquie, it would be less of a stretch of the mind. Just like paying 30k for an Accord, I'll spend the extra $100 a month and get a TL. And the fact that the base model Acura is a 5k jump to the next seems odd to me. The TSX is the perfect entry car for Acura, and the RSX seems old and dated, and not worthy of the Acura brand name to me. The leather and materials in that car are not up to par. Which is to be expected because it's a Honda everywhere else in the world. However, the same case could be made for the TSX, but that's besides the point
05-13-2005, 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Munch00
Well, I, like a lot of other people, have a notion that a Honda that could equal 35k after taxes is insane. If it were to fall under the Acura marquie, it would be less of a stretch of the mind. Just like paying 30k for an Accord, I'll spend the extra $100 a month and get a TL. And the fact that the base model Acura is a 5k jump to the next seems odd to me. The TSX is the perfect entry car for Acura, and the RSX seems old and dated, and not worthy of the Acura brand name to me. The leather and materials in that car are not up to par. Which is to be expected because it's a Honda everywhere else in the world. However, the same case could be made for the TSX, but that's besides the point
05-13-2005, 12:33 PM
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The Honda Odyssey with Touring package and Navi is close to $38,000 
05-13-2005, 12:48 PM
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You're right damnit. It should be the Acura Odyssey for crying out loud! 
Originally Posted by Ken1997TL
The Honda Odyssey with Touring package and Navi is close to $38,000
05-13-2005, 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by synth19
You're right damnit. It should be the Acura Odyssey for crying out loud!
I'm with Ken on the EL. It needs to stay as an Acura here because it gets young people, especially young couples, on a tight budget interested in the Acura brand. The grade of interior materials is too much different from the civic to be another trim level of civic. It SHOULD have an HP bump though. If it was 150-160hp it would be a real winner if they could keep the price pretty level with what it is now. I've heard they are moving it upmarket somewhat though.
The RSX should have been a Honda from the start. It screams Honda. Maybe the EL should be renamed, and moved up just a tad to fill the spot left by the RSX, while at the same time getting a significant bump in HP and offering a Type S or Type R version.
05-13-2005, 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Munch00
However, the same case could be made for the TSX, but that's besides the point
TSX's interior is NA only. Alot nicer than the TSX found overseas's.
05-13-2005, 01:46 PM
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You got me thinking. 
how about the Acura Odyssey Type S??????!!!
I'm with Ken on the EL. It needs to stay as an Acura here because it gets young people, especially young couples, on a tight budget interested in the Acura brand. The grade of interior materials is too much different from the civic to be another trim level of civic. It SHOULD have an HP bump though. If it was 150-160hp it would be a real winner if they could keep the price pretty level with what it is now. I've heard they are moving it upmarket somewhat though.
The RSX should have been a Honda from the start. It screams Honda. Maybe the EL should be renamed, and moved up just a tad to fill the spot left by the RSX, while at the same time getting a significant bump in HP and offering a Type S or Type R version.
how about the Acura Odyssey Type S??????!!!
Originally Posted by youngTL
I'm with Ken on the EL. It needs to stay as an Acura here because it gets young people, especially young couples, on a tight budget interested in the Acura brand. The grade of interior materials is too much different from the civic to be another trim level of civic. It SHOULD have an HP bump though. If it was 150-160hp it would be a real winner if they could keep the price pretty level with what it is now. I've heard they are moving it upmarket somewhat though.
The RSX should have been a Honda from the start. It screams Honda. Maybe the EL should be renamed, and moved up just a tad to fill the spot left by the RSX, while at the same time getting a significant bump in HP and offering a Type S or Type R version.
05-13-2005, 01:47 PM
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I agree that the EL should be dropped. Lexus and Infiniti don't have something like that (well, Infiniti had the G20, but they dropped it several years ago, and I think that was a good move if they want to market themselves as luxury brand).
I also agree that the S2000 should remain in Honda.
As for the RSX, I think it should be in Honda, but I disagree calling it as a Honda Prelude. The RSX is an Integra in other part of the world, just call it Honda Integra. Also, I think what really hurt the Acura name (as Honda wanted to market it as the luxury brand) was the 2nd and 3rd gen Integra. They definitely didn't have the "luxury" taste to them. They're more like the "boy-racer" type. IMO, there are many people still think the Acura name isn't luxury at all.
I also agree that the S2000 should remain in Honda.
As for the RSX, I think it should be in Honda, but I disagree calling it as a Honda Prelude. The RSX is an Integra in other part of the world, just call it Honda Integra. Also, I think what really hurt the Acura name (as Honda wanted to market it as the luxury brand) was the 2nd and 3rd gen Integra. They definitely didn't have the "luxury" taste to them. They're more like the "boy-racer" type. IMO, there are many people still think the Acura name isn't luxury at all.
05-13-2005, 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by AcuraFan
Pretty much every Acura is a Honda to the rest of the world considering Acura doesn't exist much outside North America. The RL is the Honda Legend in most of the rest of the world (as is the NSX).
but we don't live in 'the rest of the world'
RSX definitely should not be an Acura.
05-13-2005, 02:24 PM
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The RSX should stay Acura as it's an affordable car for those who want performance and name BS. Integras always sold well and dominate the market segment. That's why BMW tried the 318ti and are releasing the 1 series. Also Mercedes came out with the C hatch but it's pretty crappy. Acura discontinued the Integra sedan and released the TSX in its place.
Like Ken said the only logic of leaving the S2k as a Honda is the rawness of it's engine. A 9000rpm 4cyl vs a luxury V6 or V8 in the Z3 and SLK will turn off luxury buyers. For whatever reason the bigger the engine the more luxury.
Like Ken said the only logic of leaving the S2k as a Honda is the rawness of it's engine. A 9000rpm 4cyl vs a luxury V6 or V8 in the Z3 and SLK will turn off luxury buyers. For whatever reason the bigger the engine the more luxury.
05-13-2005, 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by BEETROOT
but we don't live in 'the rest of the world'
RSX definitely should not be an Acura.
RSX definitely should not be an Acura.
I just brought it up because one of Munch00's arguments for RSX being Honda is because it's a Honda to the rest of the world. I was just pointing out that if that were the case, then the RL and NSX should be Honda as well.
I think the RSX is just fine as an Acura. It's the heritage of the product line...luxury car (Legend/RL) and sporty hatch (Integra/RSX). I would like to see a little more refinment in the car like replacing it with a TSX coupe. But as it stands, it holds it's own quite well as an Acura.
05-13-2005, 04:32 PM
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Acura Sedans; TSX, TL, RL, GL (rumored to be true)
Acura SUVs; RDX, MDX, (MDX V8)
Acura Coupes; (CL or "CSX", 40k coupe), NSX
the S2000 is far too track to be put in the Acura lineup and the days of the Integra are far gone, get rid of the RSX. Make it a Honda Integra or even Honda Prelude if you wana keep it in NA.
About the Ody being 38k and S2K being 33k, keep in mind, many Toyotas cost more than Lexuses, many Pontiac, GMC cars cost more than some Caddys.
Acura SUVs; RDX, MDX, (MDX V8)
Acura Coupes; (CL or "CSX", 40k coupe), NSX
the S2000 is far too track to be put in the Acura lineup and the days of the Integra are far gone, get rid of the RSX. Make it a Honda Integra or even Honda Prelude if you wana keep it in NA.
About the Ody being 38k and S2K being 33k, keep in mind, many Toyotas cost more than Lexuses, many Pontiac, GMC cars cost more than some Caddys.
05-13-2005, 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by synth19
You got me thinking. how about the Acura Odyssey Type S??????!!!
how about the Acura Odyssey Type S??????!!!
05-13-2005, 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Ken1997TL
I prefer the Acura Illyiad.
You're a clever one!
Either that or they should tune the Odyssey like the RL, to get 300hp out of it for a type-S version. On the other hand, it wouldn't sell. People buying a minivan aren't looking for performance as much, ESPECIALLY at the cost of fuel econonmy.
ps: I know you weren't serious.
05-13-2005, 09:29 PM
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i agree. the rsx is just not enough to be an acura. its got a rough suspension, a loud ricy sound from the engine at higher rpms.. but then again, all integras all shouldve been hondas from the beginning. the prelude was more luxurious with their quality and build. wouldve been a perfect entry level coupe for the acura division. also, i think acura should really reconsider a sports coupe that has either rear wheel or sh-awd or sh-fwd (that the preludes used to have), to compete with the G35's/350Z.. or how bout a luxury S2000 deal? like what nissan did with their sports coupes? i really respected and loved the acura lineup, just wished that their only sports car was about 1/4 the price.. heh. or leave the NSX and make a cheaper more aaffordable one. i love the idea of the "CSX"
05-13-2005, 09:49 PM
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i agree. the rsx is just not enough to be an acura. its got a rough suspension, a loud ricy sound from the engine at higher rpms.. but then again, all integras all shouldve been hondas from the beginning. the prelude was more luxurious with their quality and build. wouldve been a perfect entry level coupe for the acura division. also, i think acura should really reconsider a sports coupe that has either rear wheel or sh-awd or sh-fwd (that the preludes used to have), to compete with the G35's/350Z.. or how bout a luxury S2000 deal? like what nissan did with their sports coupes? i really respected and loved the acura lineup, just wished that their only sports car was about 1/4 the price.. heh. or leave the NSX and make a cheaper more aaffordable one. i love the idea of the "CSX"
05-13-2005, 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by MSZ
Honda Canada has already took the name of CSX, most likely for the EL replacement this fall. So if there's any luxury coupe planned, it should be CL or something else.
05-14-2005, 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by aaronnn
oh.. that sucks.. hmm, but they ceased productions on the CL's already.. it would be nice if they bring it back, but whats the probability of that? i think they should just make a totally new sports coupe instead of a TL based coupe.. it would be nice to have a RWD or AWD coupe with 280-300hp or so.. and have the acura design costing around 30-32k dollars to keep it running against the infiniti Gcoupe or so.. that would be awesome. but then again, honda does have the S2000 around that price. well since the S2k is a roadster, it would be nice to have a hardtop coupe that is based off the S2K but a luxurious acura version.
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