Might be trading in for a Golf R
05-07-2012, 04:43 PM
#121
Aint Doing Sh*t
C&D put up a time that was .2 slower than the STI and 335is and didn't mention the ESP. An Evo would have been great but there is no Mitsu dealer within 2hrs of me and the insurance was almost double. The Golf R is fun and very comfortable. I can't wait until the breakin is over so that I can take it to the redline.
05-07-2012, 06:49 PM
#122
I'm not a VW fan by any means, but I really dig the Golf R. While certainly not the track monsters as the EVO and STi, I'm willing to bet that the VW is alot easier to live with on a daily basis.
Just head over to some of the VW forums and read the deliver and photo threads. I want one, but not for the money at the moment.
Just head over to some of the VW forums and read the deliver and photo threads. I want one, but not for the money at the moment.
05-07-2012, 07:00 PM
#123
I drive a Subata.
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What was the underlying reason behind VW not willing to ship out the DSG-equipped Golf R in the States? Just curious. It's a freaking nice transmission. I would personally prefer a 6MT one over DSG, but I'm sure the majority of Golf R buyers would have gone with the DSG one.
05-07-2012, 07:14 PM
#124
What was the underlying reason behind VW not willing to ship out the DSG-equipped Golf R in the States? Just curious. It's a freaking nice transmission. I would personally prefer a 6MT one over DSG, but I'm sure the majority of Golf R buyers would have gone with the DSG one.
05-07-2012, 07:21 PM
#125
I drive a Subata.
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Oh, is DSG equipped GTI more expensive than a 6MT?
05-07-2012, 07:44 PM
#126
hmm, looking at the Golf R on the VW UK site, the DSG adds about 1k british pounds, so it would probably be only about $1K more in North America.
In the USA, DSG on the GTI adds about $1k.
But isnt the european DSG better than the North American DSG? I thought I remembered reading that somewhere...
In the USA, DSG on the GTI adds about $1k.
But isnt the european DSG better than the North American DSG? I thought I remembered reading that somewhere...
05-07-2012, 07:49 PM
#129
In the GTI, DSG was about ~$2k more than 6MT.
But I've read the reason they don't have DSG is because too many people complained about not have a MT option in the last R car (the R32). I guess VW had to choose just 1 trans, cost related probably.
Edit: It's only 1k, like pearldrummer said.
But I've read the reason they don't have DSG is because too many people complained about not have a MT option in the last R car (the R32). I guess VW had to choose just 1 trans, cost related probably.
Edit: It's only 1k, like pearldrummer said.
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05-07-2012, 07:49 PM
#130
I drive a Subata.
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I see, I see.
I don't know if I like that business decision though.
I feel like the typical GTI/Golf R buyers would love to pay extra $1k to go for a DSG-equipped version.
But I'm sure VW will sell out every R in the States!
I don't know if I like that business decision though.
I feel like the typical GTI/Golf R buyers would love to pay extra $1k to go for a DSG-equipped version.
But I'm sure VW will sell out every R in the States!
05-07-2012, 07:49 PM
#131
Why? Well, the original Golf R (which never came to America) was offered with only a manual, and Valbuena claims that upwards of 70 percent of Golf enthusiasts surveyed preferred the manual over the DSG. That is a bit hard to believe, given how fast and crisp the latter performs, but then a knowledgeable VW insider gives me the lowdown.
"It's because we wouldn't get the good DSG," he whispers.
What he is referring to is the long-held suspicion among VW enthusiasts that the U.S. gets a slower, softer version of the DSG programmed to behave more like a traditional automatic. VW would not confirm such speculation, but Valbuena did cite cost as another concern. Fielding one transmission is cheaper than two for a myriad of reasons, especially for such a low-volume vehicle. Cost containment influences other equipment on the Golf R as well. U.S.-spec models won't be getting such cool hardware as LED taillamps or the optional hard-shell racing seats.
Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...#ixzz1uEcDDtor
"It's because we wouldn't get the good DSG," he whispers.
What he is referring to is the long-held suspicion among VW enthusiasts that the U.S. gets a slower, softer version of the DSG programmed to behave more like a traditional automatic. VW would not confirm such speculation, but Valbuena did cite cost as another concern. Fielding one transmission is cheaper than two for a myriad of reasons, especially for such a low-volume vehicle. Cost containment influences other equipment on the Golf R as well. U.S.-spec models won't be getting such cool hardware as LED taillamps or the optional hard-shell racing seats.
Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...#ixzz1uEcDDtor
05-07-2012, 07:51 PM
#132
I drive a Subata.
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Oh.. I thought the R32 owners cried because their cars were slower than the regular GTIs. 
05-07-2012, 07:52 PM
#133
Banned
05-07-2012, 07:52 PM
#134
I drive a Subata.
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Ah, so the calibration of DSG is different in Europe? That sucks. Why would it be different? To meet the regulations, maybe?
05-07-2012, 07:53 PM
#135
I drive a Subata.
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This guy again.
Better engine?
That better engine was getting beaten by slightly modded GTIs.
Better engine?
That better engine was getting beaten by slightly modded GTIs.
05-07-2012, 08:00 PM
#136
Banned
For the record, the R32 got the best powertrain result compared to Lancer Evo GSR and Impreza STI. Even the best fuel economy.
http://media.caranddriver.com/files/...al-results.pdf
They did 0-60mph in 5.4s. R32's 5-60mph was quicker than the Sti.
It was a great engine. I loved it.
VW possibly focused on the manual to give the golf R a sportier image.
http://media.caranddriver.com/files/...al-results.pdf
They did 0-60mph in 5.4s. R32's 5-60mph was quicker than the Sti.
Originally Posted by C&D
One tester described the R32 exhaust growl as Porsche-like, a comment that was met with universal approval. We even found ourselves tapping the steering-wheel-mounted paddle shifters up and down the gears just to hear the V-6 play a symphony throughout its rev range. And it’s not simply smooth-sounding: The R32 provides a gratifying, linear throttle response that even the most subtle of turbo fours cannot achieve.
VW possibly focused on the manual to give the golf R a sportier image.
Last edited by Saintor; 05-07-2012 at 08:05 PM.
05-07-2012, 08:53 PM
#137
Aint Doing Sh*t
while I dont disagree that the vr6(the sound alone is tops) is an awesome engine, a DSG would have put the loaded 4dr at ~38k Mrsp. This has been discussed at length over on the VW boards. It was a mostly a business decision(keeping the cost down) to bring the Golf R to the states. The list of things they left out is long and would have brought the cost well over 40k. The DSG just happened to be one of them. They have sold almost 1200 in 4 months. I think that are only bringing 1500 for '12MY and the rest for '13.
05-07-2012, 09:52 PM
#138
I drive a Subata.
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http://media.caranddriver.com/files/...powertrain.pdf
0-100
EVO - 12.5
STi - 12.6
R32 - 14.9
Out of zillions powertrain data, you pick out the one that you want to say.
0-100
EVO - 12.5
STi - 12.6
R32 - 14.9
Out of zillions powertrain data, you pick out the one that you want to say.
05-07-2012, 10:13 PM
#139
Whats up with RDX owners?
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I wouldnt be surprised if they didnt bring the DSG to the states for the same reason the TTRS came here with a manual - in the TTRS' case, Audi NA absolutely did not want the DSG, even though the DSG is faster (which is a reason why the NA TTRS got 25hp more then the Euro version).
I still want a Scirocco R.
I still want a Scirocco R.
05-08-2012, 09:59 AM
#140
Fahrvergnügen'd
I wouldnt be surprised if they didnt bring the DSG to the states for the same reason the TTRS came here with a manual - in the TTRS' case, Audi NA absolutely did not want the DSG, even though the DSG is faster (which is a reason why the NA TTRS got 25hp more then the Euro version).
I still want a Scirocco R.
I still want a Scirocco R.
05-08-2012, 10:59 AM
#141
Whats up with RDX owners?
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Last I checked, we're only getting the 6MT. No DSG for NA.
05-08-2012, 04:51 PM
#142
Banned
http://media.caranddriver.com/files/...powertrain.pdf
0-100
EVO - 12.5
STi - 12.6
R32 - 14.9
Out of zillions powertrain data, you pick out the one that you want to say.
0-100
EVO - 12.5
STi - 12.6
R32 - 14.9
Out of zillions powertrain data, you pick out the one that you want to say.
I reported the 0-60mph and the 0-100 is is basically the extension of it. Only useful on racetracks.
For "street" use, 5-60mph (start from idle) matters more; slowest is STI and the R32 is only 0.1s slower than the Lancer.
05-08-2012, 04:57 PM
#143
Suzuka Master
VW only wanted to bring one transmission over so they had to choose to bring the dsg or manual. They went to potential customers and decided the manual.
They reason they only wanted one transmission is because it would keep the overall price of the car down. Having more variety causes prices to go up plus VW would have to license both transmissions for that car which is also $$$.
So bringing both transmissions over would bump up the base price of the car.
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05-08-2012, 04:59 PM
#144
Suzuka Master
Their engine is tuned differently too
both for the GTI and R.GTI makes 10 more hp and I'm not sure how much more torque.
Golf R makes something like 20 more hp and some amount of torque as well.
I dunno why!!!
05-08-2012, 05:59 PM
#146
Whats up with RDX owners?
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05-08-2012, 06:54 PM
#147
The sizzle in the Steak
05-08-2012, 08:11 PM
#149
I drive a Subata.
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05-08-2012, 08:15 PM
#150
I drive a Subata.
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You are right. Yes. Now it's 5-60mph that matters. Of course. That is so very obvious.
05-08-2012, 08:22 PM
#151
Banned
When was the last time that on the street, you dropped the clutch from 3500-4000rpm? Probably *never*. That's how 0-60mph are done in those publications on manual cars. Abuse that most people will practically rarely do. Indeed, 5-60mph matters more on typical street use.
05-08-2012, 08:57 PM
#153
Banned
05-09-2012, 08:28 AM
#154
Safety Car
When was the last time that on the street, you dropped the clutch from 3500-4000rpm? Probably *never*. That's how 0-60mph are done in those publications on manual cars. Abuse that most people will practically rarely do. Indeed, 5-60mph matters more on typical street use.
2 cases where this happens, lazy or stupid drivers, and those with the torwue to pull it off.
The 5-60 mph is typically used to indicate the bottom end of the torque curve for a car. If I need to move out, I'm not using the bottom half of the torque curve.
05-09-2012, 11:11 AM
#156
I drive a Subata.
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There's only one person on AZine who just got a Golf R.
This guy right here.
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...=843129&page=2
If you want to see the pictures, google Golf R. It'll give you plenty.
And shit show? I just can't take ignorant people saying stuffs that are completely wrong.
This guy right here.
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...=843129&page=2
If you want to see the pictures, google Golf R. It'll give you plenty.
And shit show? I just can't take ignorant people saying stuffs that are completely wrong.
05-09-2012, 12:56 PM
#158
I drive a Subata.
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I know. 
It's just annoying and funny at the same time. Maybe it's time to use that feature though.
It's just annoying and funny at the same time. Maybe it's time to use that feature though.
GTFO with that shit, man.
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