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Old 03-02-2009, 01:39 AM
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Originally Posted by is300eater
out here in California, I definitely see more cops with laser/lidar detectors than I see intersections with cameras. There are probably more cops with laser/lidar than you know it... if you see a cop holding a speed detecting device up to their face and aiming it like a gun? that's laser/lidar... unless they are aiming it directly AT you... no radar detector in the world will alert.

...with that said, (again) out here in California... too many people were fighting traffic light tickets and winning, because certain circumstances (like mine, mentioned earlier in this thread), would be easily fought in court. this was actually causing more tax money (court cases)... which is why, most traffic camera intersections now, are accompanied with a video camera for reviewing purposes... (literally) each car caught on camera are reviewed by an actual person... if it's questionable? they just don't bother sending out the ticket. to "protect the people" coming upon each traffic camera intersection, there's a sign displaying the fact... I wish there were signs telling you exactly where th cops sit with their laser/lidars... but unfortunately they don't
I just looked one up on google images and now I recall having seen that once. I was surprised at the time at how agressively the cop appeared to be aiming the device, almost as if to line up a shot to shoot motorists.

Having said that I still feel far more at risk receving a red light photo ticket because I frequently come to slow rolling stops almost 100% of the time when there are no other cars around and there's no logical reason to completely break the car's momentum. I rarely go much faster than the flow of traffic. I'll take the increased lidar risk in exchange for decreased photo ticket risk.
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Does anyone know how I might go about determining the minimum required yellow light time duration required by law in Washington state? I've never had to look up a state law before and I have no idea how to go about doing it.
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Originally Posted by Iceman52489
This is a pretty general question for cars but seeing as if I have a 09 TL I guess I'll post it here, but feel free to move (Mods).

I heard there was a spray out there that acts like the tinted license plate covers that reflects when getting a picture taken from a speed cam. The tinted covers are obviously noticable by cops but are the spray and what is the legal specifications (if anybody know) for Maryland.

Also where can I get them? Anybody have experience of them?
all they do is enhance the image (usually invert the colors) and voilla, they got ur plate number
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Does anyone know how I might go about determining the minimum required yellow light time duration required by law in Washington state? I've never had to look up a state law before and I have no idea how to go about doing it.
here in MN I have read that it is 3 seconds
Old 03-02-2009, 02:30 AM
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Originally Posted by YeuEmMaiMai
all they do is enhance the image (usually invert the colors) and voilla, they got ur plate number
That doesn't make any sense. Effective overexposure would mean maximum white values in the digital record, or at the very least too much noise to restore any detail. Supposing they could pull the letters of the plate despite overexposure, there's definately a lot more to it than inverting color. The inverse of white on white is black on black; good luck with reading that.
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Originally Posted by YeuEmMaiMai
here in MN I have read that it is 3 seconds
Yeah after looking around I get the sense it's 3 seconds here as well.
Old 03-02-2009, 09:59 PM
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Watched the youtube vids, and I'm convinced that the spray works (at night, at least). I got a bottle for $25 shipped from here:

http://www.keepshooting.com/selfdefe...antomplate.htm

^ Cheapest price I found online.
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Originally Posted by wackura
That doesn't make any sense. Effective overexposure would mean maximum white values in the digital record, or at the very least too much noise to restore any detail. Supposing they could pull the letters of the plate despite overexposure, there's definately a lot more to it than inverting color. The inverse of white on white is black on black; good luck with reading that.

it works man trust me.......they use it all the time use a photo editor and you can manipulate the image in many ways to get what you need
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Originally Posted by YeuEmMaiMai
it works man trust me.......they use it all the time use a photo editor and you can manipulate the image in many ways to get what you need
That might be true but you don't strike me as much of an authority on the subject.
Old 03-04-2009, 11:27 PM
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well I know becuase I get a bill every quarter from fastrak, and they read my license plate every time. And I coated the front and pack when they were brand new.. at least SF Bay Area bridges have better technology .. I think the red light cameras that have a flash may get overexposed, but these days they do video too.
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i got one i was making a Left turn onto another road the red light changed while i was in the intersection. it took the picture 1/4 second after it clicked up to red. 100 bucks. i paid it but now i avoid red light cameras.
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Originally Posted by stright-(paint)balling
i got one i was making a Left turn onto another road the red light changed while i was in the intersection. it took the picture 1/4 second after it clicked up to red. 100 bucks. i paid it but now i avoid red light cameras.
Did you even try to fight it? If the light turned red while you were in the instersection then you did nothing illegal and the ticket was sent to you in error.

Supposedly there is a monkey who sits in a room and reviews the snapshots and video to ensure that citations resulting from these errors are never issued and mailed out.
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Originally Posted by wackura
Did you even try to fight it? If the light turned red while you were in the instersection then you did nothing illegal and the ticket was sent to you in error.

Supposedly there is a monkey who sits in a room and reviews the snapshots and video to ensure that citations resulting from these errors are never issued and mailed out.
never fought it. i sent in 100 bucks . the town that does it is broke as shit. they've went through i don't know how many budget cuts. so i think this is the way they(the town) trying to make up for it. in reguards to being in the intersection during it's changing to red. all they will say is "well he entered the intersection during it was red." then it becomes my word versus the cop.
i know it was close. as far as light changing.
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Originally Posted by stright-(paint)balling
never fought it. i sent in 100 bucks . the town that does it is broke as shit. they've went through i don't know how many budget cuts. so i think this is the way they(the town) trying to make up for it. in reguards to being in the intersection during it's changing to red. all they will say is "well he entered the intersection during it was red." then it becomes my word versus the cop.
i know it was close. as far as light changing.
From a legal standpoint they never say "well he entered the intersection while it was red" they would say "his vehicle crossed the clearly marked solid white line while facing a steady circular red signal" because to say someone "entered" something is to vague by itself. You didn't break the law as it's most likely written in that jurisdiction.
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Originally Posted by gcook
well I know becuase I get a bill every quarter from fastrak, and they read my license plate every time. And I coated the front and pack when they were brand new.. at least SF Bay Area bridges have better technology .. I think the red light cameras that have a flash may get overexposed, but these days they do video too.
Fastrak at the toll booths may rely more on plain flash-less photography to glean your plate number, since the cameras are situated low and close to the ground at the front and back of each toll booth. I also can't imagine it being difficult for them to take both a flash and a non-flash shot for each vehicle. Being that close and perpendicular to the rear bumper when taking the pic = sure catch. Those intersection cams at the intersection have a harder time since they have to be a good 15'+ up in the air, angled, and needing to deploy flash to get better exposure every time.
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