I remember reading posts from people saying how the LS600hL was going to flop and nobody was going to pay $104K to $125K for a Lexus, blah, blah, blah:

http://www.egmcartech.com/2007/12/04...TOKEN=34499707

When Lexus announced the starting MSRP of the Lexus LS 600h Hybrid at $104,750, the media ridiculed the model for being way too expensive for a hybrid. Not to mention the so-so fuel-economy.
Originally, Lexus expected to sell a total of 7,000 Lexus LS 600h hybrids in 2007 with Japan accounting for 3,600 units, Europe accounting for 2,160 units and the US accounting for 1,200 to 2,000 units in the US. According to the latest results from Toyota, Lexus has already moved 6,093 units worldwide up until October. The car just went on sale in July.
Sales of the RX400h and the GS450h, are both down significantly.

 

That would be my ultimate non-exotic car, if I had $100k+ to spend on one. Ultimate luxury, extra roomy, nice tech features and AWD to boot.

 

I know the dealers in my area call me every so often when one becomes available...they tell me I can "steal" it for only $10,000 over MSRP..

 

lol...it was on TOP GEAR when the demonstrated the self parking feature. That might have helped a bit with its expoure.

 

I drove one at a Lexus event. It is so much nicer than the A8L and 750Li that I previously drove. So the news of its sales success does not surprise me in the least.

The RX is now carrying a fairly aged design now. Coupled with a price premium of the hybrid model (over the similarly powered, less expensive RX350), its languishing sales does not surprise me neither.

 

If i was in the price range I would hands down pick a quattroporte.

 

theres one at my lexus dealership, goes for i think around 125k all maxed out on the sticker. my dad checked t out when he had to bring his car...i will check it out when i bring mine in my car next week for a tsib.

 

Saw one on 787 today, covered in salt, it was a great sight to see.

 

I see quattroportes here all the time and I honestly do not like them.

The LS600 I completely love.

 

 

We're all different, and there is no shortage of different cars to satisfy us all

 

not like I came on here bashing it.

 

another car to add to the list of "WANT BUT CANNOT AFFORD"

 

I don't even think I've ever seen one in person before... and I live in an area where you see just about everything x10

 

Quattroporte is more of an acquired taste, as are most non-Ferrari Italian cars.

 

Well it tastes good to me.

 

$104,000 for a lexus?!?!?! LOL

 

what's so funny? Lexus' been catching up to the Germans the decade or so... you laugh now... just wait and see what happens and the next decade

 

i haven't driven any of the 3, but that is the impression i've gotten from others that have.

(though they also said the s-class is the best of the four)

personally, i'm really not into the huge sedans so i don't think i'll ever be in the market to buy one. (another reason being the price.)

but i'm not surprised at all that this car has been a winner for lexus.

 

Catching up? I didn't know making cars for old ladies and tree huggers = catching up

Germans will always be on top...sorry! If I had 104,000 to spend on a car, you better believe its not going towards a Toyota.

 

I never said anything about tree huggers, I'm just talking about Lexus the name in general WILL catch up to the Germans (eventually)

 

What an ignorant thing to say. Lexus engineering is on par with or better than the germans now, without regards to the interior quality that is much better (hand polished wood, hand buffed leather, rear auto climate control using laser temp sensors, etc etc) You forget old ladies drive mercs and bimmers too

While toyota is the parent company, Lexus is in charge of its own designs, material quality, etc. Would you buy a 100k+ VW?

 

the germans may still be the top of the class, but lexus has been catching up indeed.

you laugh that lexus is asking for $100k+ for a sedan. but people are paying that plus more. so at the end of the day, who's laughing now?

lexus may not be in the same class in terms of performance with its german counterparts, but it's already caught up in luxury, in my opinion.

at the end of the day, lexus is doing its job by making quality cars and selling them. and generalizing all lexus buyers as old ladies and tree huggers is like saying all bmw buyers are spoiled trust fund kids.

 

You really believe they have hand polished wood and leather on a mainstream production car?

I'm just saying...if I was spending $100k, the S550 looks and performs better. Its all opinion I guess. I also think Lexus' designs are aweful, inside and out with the exception of the new GS, which is the only semi-decent looking one that i'd drive. But I still wouldn't choose any of their cars over the german equivalent. IS or 335...(335/new C), GS or 5 series (5 series/E class), LS or S550/745 etc...

 

JJaber scores the retard of the day award.

Congrats on having that extra chromosome

 

Everything you are commenting on is subjective.

Also, you're 19. Lexus doesnt give a flying fuck if you like their stuff or not. You're out of their demographic.

 

you see, everything you posted is subjective.

 

JJaber, who are you to talking down a $100,000+ Lexus, do you drive something better?

 

...which is why I said its all opinion . You're 28, I guess thats 25 years out of their demographic as well. I'm trying to find a review that puts a Lexus in front of the german cars it goes against....hmmm.....

I'm 19....Yeah, let me get the keys to the Murcielago parked outside.


Look, I didn't realize how many Toy...Lexus fanboys were on this site. Get over it, its my opinion, and almost everyone elses view on them (off the internet)

 

Well, over the Germans Lexus outright wins build quality and reliability.

Everything else is subjective to the buyer.

 

Look Ma, ignorance rears its retarded head again.

 

How is performance subjective? Numbers are numbers, it has nothing to do with the buyer. Look, i'm not turning this thread into a Lexus vs. German trio, because its obvious who the winner is. Keep defending them, i'm sure one day you'll have enough money saved up to buy an expensive car, and when you do, please post it here. I'm curious to see who you end up with. Feels like i'm talking to an eight year old.

 

back in 1997, if you had told a bunch of car guys that in 2007, there will be a $100,000+ Lexus sedan... they probably would've laugh like JJaber06... well, it's 2007 and there's a $100,000+ Lexus sedan selling and apparently selling quite well... 10 years from now... we'll see if people like JJaber06 will be laughing

 

Because you are looking for race performance in a giant highway cruiser.

Me, if I can afford a car like that I would definitely have a sports car in the garage next to it, therefore I want plush luxury in a giant luxo cruiser for long trips.

All 4 (lexus, audi, bmw, mercedes) have plenty of power and performance for long highway trips.

Get your head out of the magazines (and your ass) and drive some real cars in the real world.

 

No one is turning this into a anything vs anything thread.

Its just you being an ignorant uneducated fuckstick.

 

 

Its kind of hard to walk into a Mercedes or BMW dealer and ask to take out a $100,000 car around the block when you're 19, so I drive whatevers in the driveway. I've had first hand experience with an older 745 and that car is mind blowing in every sense of the word. It doesn't even feel like you're driving a boat and grips the road like no other. Didn't think a car of that size could keep a smile on my face. I can almost bet the Lex won't do that. I drove my friends mom's ES330?(00?) and besides its comfortable seats, it has nothing compared to my TL, and they're both the same model year/price range. I can see it being the same in the $100k category, sorry. I'm sure its a comfy car, but the Bimmer, and probably the new S, will make it feel as if you're driving a sports car instead of a huge cruiser.

Fuckstick, huh? How old are you

 

That's the problem right there: you haven't driven a Lexus. You can read all the comparos you want, but once you drive one it's a whole different ballgame. You may still prefer a Benz, but like others have said, the crappy reliability scares me off. The big thing with Lexus is the feeling of sitting in the driver's seat. You can't make an honest comparison with anything until you've done that.

Oh, and @ Sarlacc. Like he said, if you have the bucks for a big boat like the LS, you're probably gonna have a sports car, too, to satisfy the other side of your driving appetite.

Edit: I stand corrected - you say you've driven an ES 330. I'll give you that it's Camry-esque, but the 350 is a lot nicer, and the GS (with AWD) loses a lot of the floaty feeling in its handling. I can't claim to have driven an LS yet, but as soon as I get the chance...

 

My friend had a 745, and has a 750. He even gripes it a big boat. Sure it drives and feels like bimmer which he loves and why he keeps getting them, but the interior is lacking, its sparse and cold. Nothing about it excites me. But of course, once again, this is all subjective. You should look up the definition.

The ES330 is NOT a sport sedan. They don't even call it a sport sedan. Its a luxury sedan, period. So, no it would compare to your TL, which is a SPORT sedan.

The LS is a LUXURY sedan. Lexus does not put SPORT anywhere in the title. They are not going for sport. They are going for quiet, plush, luxury, & comfort. But just because its not a sport tuned sedan doesn't mean it has a wimpy engine under the hood either.

 

Thats not always true, I know a couple families where their S or 7 is the "main" car for them. So i'm not going with probably. I'll give Lexus props to their reliability, but most Toyotas are pretty much bullet proof mechanically, aside from a few quirks with the newer ones.

Like I said before, its not easy being 19 and asking to drive a $100k car, so i'm trusting most reviewers to do their job, and I can't find a single article/website/comparison that places the Lexus ahead its german rivals. Which is all i'm saying. For 10k more, you can get a S550 or for the same price, a BMW 750. Its fine that Lexus goes for the plush luxury theme, but the germans do that and more, which is why they're always ahead.