F23A4

My experience with the VQ and WOM on the LS1 (coworker has 04 GTO).

bigman

If playing around = beating on, than i did quite ggod on a 5.7 liter v-8 on a 300 mile road trip. One tank of gas while beating on a v-8 and driving normal is good in my books. I dont mind having an 8cyl car with over 300 horses to the wheels while maintaining good mpg. Shit i still had a little less then 1/4 tank left when i got home. And yes, i have seen those times for the LS2 gto and i have seen really bad times for the STI as well. Drivers play a very important roll. The GTO has power all across the board, from a roll, the GTO will have its way with the STI. Who the hell wants to launch their car really hard. I have friends with evos that dont want to destroy their cars to get good numbers. They mod them and run them at the track. They dont dumped the clutch at 5 grand and let the awd take control, that shit is crazy. The STI makes great power, but the GTO just has tons more all around. No matter where you are in the rpm band, you will never be low on power. Go over to the neon forums and see check out the honda hookup video. 3 guys i know from yonkers lined up. 1 stock evo, 1 stock sti and one stage 2 srt-4. From a dig, the evo and sti were neck and neck with the evo pulling slightly by 100 and the srt 4 passing the sti. From a 30mph roll, the evo and srt4 pulled on the sti with the evo, about a quarter car length ahead. I am just using real world situations, mag racing is a waste of time. At the end, from a dig, it's a drivers race, from a roll though, i think the gto will walk.

Zapata

playing around is not beating on.....sorry just not true. A couple of hard highway runs or whatever....not beating on. Also, take into account your car is an automatic right?

I'm not going to argue with whatever you said because it boils down to personal preference.

srika

someone mentioned fuel mileage... the STi doesn't get much better mileage than the GTO.

also, whoever did the 1/4 mile run with the GTO needs to learn how to drive... 14.0 @ 102? with 400hp? What is going on there. Even the STi should be faster... as the GTO should also.... low-mid 13's sounds about right for it - trapspeed should be higher. 12.8 is superb.

Doom878

is gonna get his ass kicked. He loves repeating me.

bigman

It's cool dude, i am not hear to argue either, and i have nothing to gain by making up stuff.I am just staying that i put the gas to the floor a few times and got the car passed 100. I am obviously not gonna beat the living shit out of my own car, but with normal to spirited driving mixed, i got about 300 miles on a little over 3/4 a tank of gas.

srika

the more the merrier

check the Lingenfelter GTO - 12.6 @ 113 for the base performance package...

http://motortrend.com/features/perfo...12_0408_tuner/

They also have a 427 package that makes 535hp... - but costs $21k.

chungkopi

i would take a STI because GTO is a pontiac.

Doom878

Good reason.

Chopsie

The information mailed to me in my GTO packet from Pontiac has the GTO running:
13.0 @ 108 for Auto
13.1 @ 108 for manual
.86 Lateral G's


0-60's
Auto: 4.6
manual: 4.7

and for those who are unable to believe the Auto CAN be faster, in these car's the Auto trannies shift VERY fast. Of course I still want the 6 MT.

cob3683

And I would take the GTO because it wasnt a Subaru

Doom878

I heard the same about Vettes too. Must be an LS thing.

bigman

The reason the autos are faster in the 1/4 and to 60 is because they are way easier to launch. GM has Torque management on the autos making coming off the line a lot easier. The manuals usually have massive wheel spin. But from a roll the Manual will pull on the auto because of gearing. But, if you slap a converter, gears and a shift kit, the auto will rape the manual off the line and on the go. It's a GM thing, for some reason their big V8 powered cars run faster with autos. On a side note, when i went to E-town, i saw a few goats running. The autos were very consistant, running mid 13's for the LS1 and high 12's low 13's for the LS2, with some exceptions of high 13's and low 14 second runs. There were no manual LS2 GTO's there, but the LS1 guys were running high 13's, low 14's, because they couldnt launch.

Doom878

Dang I wish this car was 4 door. I'd buy an LS1 for cheap quick.

F23A4

GM could have just as easily badged the WRX as a Pontiac instead of Saab (i.e.: 9-2X). I need more that just 'Pontiac' labeling as a reason not to buy one.

Doom878

Haha. GM owns Saab. Saab and Subaru made the 9-2x. There's a connection.

fast-tl

I don't think you could go wrong with either of those choices, killer. I imagine the Legacy will be rarer since fewer are sold, and maybe the resale won't suffer as much. Kinda like a Taurus or Expedition; billions are sold so they're a dime a dozen at trade-in time. I wish the Legacy offered Navi;it'd be a perfect alternative to the TL.

chungkopi

no way in hell, i'll take a pontiac over a reputable STI. also, GTO looks more boring than my CL.

DownUnder

I'd take this GTO over any STI anyday of the week....

chungkopi

stock GTO doesn't look like that.

chungkopi

you mean this?

Chopsie

With the revised rear bumper with dual exhausts, add the optional front fascia and you have a more agressive looking car.

F23A4

I'm probably in the minority here but I like the understated looks of the GTO....all it needs IMHO is a power sunroof to complete the pkg.

fast-tl

:iagree:

DownUnder

Also HID's and Nav option to the list.

heyitsme

Chopsie

Nope, I agree too. Eveyone I show my brochure picture to, say "Looks like your old white Acura" (CLS ) and thats what I loved about the CLS, the subtle beauty.

and YES For the love of god, SUNROOF AND HID'S PLease.!!

Of course If I end up with one, I'll pull my 6000k HID System out of my Integra and hook her up.

fast-tl

Of course, until July 5, the GTO is actually priced closer to 30K than 33K! Now add 3k of mods, adn who's the king?

Doom878

$30k until July 5?

cob3683

GM discounts

F23A4

I actually typed 'HIDs' and 'Navi' but then decided not to push my luck and deleted it.

But .

...that's also what I like about the CL-S. Living in the NYC area, you dont want to draw TOO much attention.

chungkopi

i hate new sti's nose because it became more toyish, but i'll still take sti over GTO because GTO is stiiiiiiillll a pontiac.

fast-tl

The GTO is a Holden Monaro with a Pontiac badge. The Corvette is a Chevrolet, of all things. Would you not take the Corvette 'cause it's a Chevy?
Essentially, the GTO is a 4 seat Corvette, having the same powertrain as the Corvette. If that's not a bargain, I don't know what IS!

Doom878

That's exactly my thoughts fast-tl. The Vette is easily the best bang for the buck car out there and now you can get it for like $10k-15k less with 2 extra seats.

Chopsie

very good point.
Suprised no one brought up the Monaro yet anyway. Good call. and very well put. If someoen turns down a Vette they truly have some unsprung hate for the American sports car, or other demons