I HATE my Santa Fe!!!
. You guys know how much I love it, though the new Civic concept is 
too.
01-11-2011 | 10:03 PM
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Mmm.... friend of mine just picked up a new CR-V, very cushy for such an affordable CUV. Just the right amount of room IMO. Same with the Fit, love how the front seats fold into lounge chairs basically.
I've gone soft... my Camaro is too rough and thirsty with gas for me. I'm beginning to seriously consider cars with 1/4 the displacement now
I've gone soft... my Camaro is too rough and thirsty with gas for me. I'm beginning to seriously consider cars with 1/4 the displacement now
01-11-2011 | 10:21 PM
#45
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I'd love to have a Genesis Coupe 3.8 Track with the stick shift in Bright Yellow and once I get the Fit, I may trade the SF in on one of those as a weekend car.
01-12-2011 | 10:41 AM
#46
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Thanks. I'm pretty choosy when it comes to cars and have made up my mind that if this one is insistent on a divorce, I'll pick up a Honda Fit Sport MT for daily driving until I get my railroad career on track. Then I can pick up something sexy and impractical for weekend use.
Cars on my (short) list include:
Ford Fusion
Honda CR-V
Honda Fit (as I said)
Cars on my (short) list include:
Ford Fusion
Honda CR-V
Honda Fit (as I said)
01-12-2011 | 03:38 PM
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Update: Just got off the phone with Mike from Hyundai's Western Region offices and he was very polite and understanding of my concerns. He was reviewing my car's file and said that because the problems are being taken care of as they come, he is going to close my file for the meantime. However, it can be re-opened at any time should the car continue to cause headache and heartache.
Hopefully I can get this defroster issue to duplicate and then, fingers crossed, that will be the end of this mess.
Hopefully I can get this defroster issue to duplicate and then, fingers crossed, that will be the end of this mess.
01-12-2011 | 06:06 PM
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Thanks. I'm pretty choosy when it comes to cars and have made up my mind that if this one is insistent on a divorce, I'll pick up a Honda Fit Sport MT for daily driving until I get my railroad career on track. Then I can pick up something sexy and impractical for weekend use.
Cars on my (short) list include:
Ford Fusion
Honda CR-V
Honda Fit (as I said)
Cars on my (short) list include:
Ford Fusion
Honda CR-V
Honda Fit (as I said)
01-12-2011 | 06:42 PM
#49
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Conductor for freight service. Easily a solid $50K a year but I have a friend in Minnesota pulling in $70K doing the same thing so 
Back in '09 I drove out to Kansas City (you may remember) and took a six-week course run by BNSF Railway. I did it because it has the highest number of post-grad hires and is widely regarded as the best in the industry. That training gives me a huge up on job placement over any Joe on the street and I also know somebody who works for the railroad I want to work for which, again, is a huge bonus.
Back in '09 I drove out to Kansas City (you may remember) and took a six-week course run by BNSF Railway. I did it because it has the highest number of post-grad hires and is widely regarded as the best in the industry. That training gives me a huge up on job placement over any Joe on the street and I also know somebody who works for the railroad I want to work for which, again, is a huge bonus.
01-15-2011 | 09:30 PM
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I know this happens to a Hyundai car once in a blue moon but threads like this does have an influence on what car to get next. My co worker has a 08 or 09 Sonata 4 cylinder and low miles and the entire transmission was shot, a refurbished tranny was put in. She wanted a new tranny but Hyundai said no.
Its hard to leave Honda for me, others affordable brands like Mazda and VW have better driving cars. However I have come to expect no repairs under 100k as my Accord has spoiled me rotten.
No only if that MT fit had slight better sound insulation and interior materials it would be one hell of a ride.
Its hard to leave Honda for me, others affordable brands like Mazda and VW have better driving cars. However I have come to expect no repairs under 100k as my Accord has spoiled me rotten.
No only if that MT fit had slight better sound insulation and interior materials it would be one hell of a ride.
01-15-2011 | 11:30 PM
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I know this happens to a Hyundai car once in a blue moon but threads like this does have an influence on what car to get next. My co worker has a 08 or 09 Sonata 4 cylinder and low miles and the entire transmission was shot, a refurbished tranny was put in. She wanted a new tranny but Hyundai said no.
Its hard to leave Honda for me, others affordable brands like Mazda and VW have better driving cars. However I have come to expect no repairs under 100k as my Accord has spoiled me rotten.
No only if that MT fit had slight better sound insulation and interior materials it would be one hell of a ride.
Its hard to leave Honda for me, others affordable brands like Mazda and VW have better driving cars. However I have come to expect no repairs under 100k as my Accord has spoiled me rotten.
No only if that MT fit had slight better sound insulation and interior materials it would be one hell of a ride.
01-16-2011 | 06:30 AM
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I know this happens to a Hyundai car once in a blue moon but threads like this does have an influence on what car to get next. My co worker has a 08 or 09 Sonata 4 cylinder and low miles and the entire transmission was shot, a refurbished tranny was put in. She wanted a new tranny but Hyundai said no.
Its hard to leave Honda for me, others affordable brands like Mazda and VW have better driving cars. However I have come to expect no repairs under 100k as my Accord has spoiled me rotten.
No only if that MT fit had slight better sound insulation and interior materials it would be one hell of a ride.
Its hard to leave Honda for me, others affordable brands like Mazda and VW have better driving cars. However I have come to expect no repairs under 100k as my Accord has spoiled me rotten.
No only if that MT fit had slight better sound insulation and interior materials it would be one hell of a ride.
01-16-2011 | 07:13 PM
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01-16-2011 | 07:46 PM
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Mmm.... friend of mine just picked up a new CR-V, very cushy for such an affordable CUV. Just the right amount of room IMO. Same with the Fit, love how the front seats fold into lounge chairs basically.
I've gone soft... my Camaro is too rough and thirsty with gas for me. I'm beginning to seriously consider cars with 1/4 the displacement now
I've gone soft... my Camaro is too rough and thirsty with gas for me. I'm beginning to seriously consider cars with 1/4 the displacement now
01-17-2011 | 11:00 AM
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I know this happens to a Hyundai car once in a blue moon but threads like this does have an influence on what car to get next. My co worker has a 08 or 09 Sonata 4 cylinder and low miles and the entire transmission was shot, a refurbished tranny was put in. She wanted a new tranny but Hyundai said no.
Its hard to leave Honda for me, others affordable brands like Mazda and VW have better driving cars. However I have come to expect no repairs under 100k as my Accord has spoiled me rotten.
No only if that MT fit had slight better sound insulation and interior materials it would be one hell of a ride.
Its hard to leave Honda for me, others affordable brands like Mazda and VW have better driving cars. However I have come to expect no repairs under 100k as my Accord has spoiled me rotten.
No only if that MT fit had slight better sound insulation and interior materials it would be one hell of a ride.
03-01-2011 | 07:02 PM
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The trouble child is throwing another tantrum and is about face permanent removal from the family.
I was finally able to duplicate the A/C cut-out issue to the dealership who told me the control face needs to be replaced. 'Finally!' I thought, 'We can get this over with and be done with the problems.' Wrong again. I just got a call from the dealer and the control panel is not available and won't be until March 15th. Since I feel the car is unsafe to drive with this condition, the car will hit Oregon's 30-day minimum for Lemon Laws by March 13.
I am now open to suggestions for a new car but I am thinking about a VW Jetta TDI.
I was finally able to duplicate the A/C cut-out issue to the dealership who told me the control face needs to be replaced. 'Finally!' I thought, 'We can get this over with and be done with the problems.' Wrong again. I just got a call from the dealer and the control panel is not available and won't be until March 15th. Since I feel the car is unsafe to drive with this condition, the car will hit Oregon's 30-day minimum for Lemon Laws by March 13.
I am now open to suggestions for a new car but I am thinking about a VW Jetta TDI.
03-01-2011 | 08:48 PM
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03-01-2011 | 10:25 PM
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From: Central CA
The trouble child is throwing another tantrum and is about face permanent removal from the family.
I was finally able to duplicate the A/C cut-out issue to the dealership who told me the control face needs to be replaced. 'Finally!' I thought, 'We can get this over with and be done with the problems.' Wrong again. I just got a call from the dealer and the control panel is not available and won't be until March 15th. Since I feel the car is unsafe to drive with this condition, the car will hit Oregon's 30-day minimum for Lemon Laws by March 13.
I am now open to suggestions for a new car but I am thinking about a VW Jetta TDI.
I was finally able to duplicate the A/C cut-out issue to the dealership who told me the control face needs to be replaced. 'Finally!' I thought, 'We can get this over with and be done with the problems.' Wrong again. I just got a call from the dealer and the control panel is not available and won't be until March 15th. Since I feel the car is unsafe to drive with this condition, the car will hit Oregon's 30-day minimum for Lemon Laws by March 13.
I am now open to suggestions for a new car but I am thinking about a VW Jetta TDI.
03-01-2011 | 10:26 PM
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http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=286380
What's all this talk about an HPFP and what does it mean to me?
In the context of this forum, the HPFP refers to the high pressure fuel pump that feeds the common rail in the most current VW TDI engine. It's best to gain an understanding of how the fuel delivery system in the VW Common rail engine works:
Fuel is drawn from the tank via an in-tank lift pump. The lift pump pushes fuel to the fuel filter element where fuel is pushed through the replaceable filter element. Filtered fuel is then sent to an electric intermediate pump, which increases the pressure of the fuel being delivered to the high pressure fuel pump (HPFP). The HPFP is operated by the timing belt and pressurizes fuel being delivered to the common fuel rail which makes high pressure fuel available to all injectors at all times. Pressuers in the accumulator (fuel rail) can reach over 1800 bar / 26,000 PSI.
Does anyone have a good diagram of the VW CR TDI fuel system? If so, please send a PM.
A small number of users have reported that their cars have stopped running without warning. After a tow into the dealership, they are told that the entire fuel system is full of metal flakes and all fuel delivery components must be replaced. Some users are also reporting that they have been told that there is rust in the fuel system, most specifically in the fuel filter canister. In all reported cases it's been confirmed that the high pressure fuel pump has destroyed itself and sent this metal throughout the fuel system
Wow, that sounds bad. That doesn't sound like it's inexpensive to fix..
Unfortunately, the cost of this repair is anywhere between $6,900 and about $10,000 once parts and labor are figured in. Normally the fuel tank is dropped and cleaned (or replaced), the lift pump, fuel filtering system, intermediate pump, high pressure pump, fuel rail, injector plumbing, and injectors along with various other parts are replaced.
Ok, that does sound terrible. It's OK though because VW's got my back, right?
This depends. From user experience posted on this forum it seems that this situation is highly dependent on what dealer you go to. When this issue was first brought to light, the owner was told that there was diesel contaminated with gasoline in his tank which was the cause of the failure and the dealer was trying to put the owner on the hook for this repair. After some arguing and dealing with VW's warranty chain of command, he was able to successfully lobby to get vW to cover this repair.
Since the first report of this issue, other users have experienced similar situations. Some dealers are immediately blaming contaminated fuel, others are covering the damage with few or no questions asked. As of this writing (Late June, 2010) the trend is that more dealers are warranting this situation without hassle. Some still put up a fight, and some still refuse at all to believe there was no driver negligence and flat out refuse to warrant this type of failure. As dealers see this issue multiple times, it would seem that they are becoming more accepting of the fact that the fuel system can fail on its own without outside influence.
How is this caused and what can I do to prevent it?
Cause
As of right now, there's no known cause of failure. One member reported a failure of the high pressure fuel pump at 3,100 miles, and another user has reported a failure after 50,000 miles. A few causes have been speculated upon and include:
Water contaminated diesel.
Gasoline contaminated diesel.
Varying quality and lubricity of Ultra-Low Sulfur Diesel in North America.
Poor pump design - including mechanical design and metallurgy.
A bad batch of fuel pumps.
In the context of this forum, the HPFP refers to the high pressure fuel pump that feeds the common rail in the most current VW TDI engine. It's best to gain an understanding of how the fuel delivery system in the VW Common rail engine works:
Fuel is drawn from the tank via an in-tank lift pump. The lift pump pushes fuel to the fuel filter element where fuel is pushed through the replaceable filter element. Filtered fuel is then sent to an electric intermediate pump, which increases the pressure of the fuel being delivered to the high pressure fuel pump (HPFP). The HPFP is operated by the timing belt and pressurizes fuel being delivered to the common fuel rail which makes high pressure fuel available to all injectors at all times. Pressuers in the accumulator (fuel rail) can reach over 1800 bar / 26,000 PSI.
Does anyone have a good diagram of the VW CR TDI fuel system? If so, please send a PM.
A small number of users have reported that their cars have stopped running without warning. After a tow into the dealership, they are told that the entire fuel system is full of metal flakes and all fuel delivery components must be replaced. Some users are also reporting that they have been told that there is rust in the fuel system, most specifically in the fuel filter canister. In all reported cases it's been confirmed that the high pressure fuel pump has destroyed itself and sent this metal throughout the fuel system
Wow, that sounds bad. That doesn't sound like it's inexpensive to fix..
Unfortunately, the cost of this repair is anywhere between $6,900 and about $10,000 once parts and labor are figured in. Normally the fuel tank is dropped and cleaned (or replaced), the lift pump, fuel filtering system, intermediate pump, high pressure pump, fuel rail, injector plumbing, and injectors along with various other parts are replaced.
Ok, that does sound terrible. It's OK though because VW's got my back, right?
This depends. From user experience posted on this forum it seems that this situation is highly dependent on what dealer you go to. When this issue was first brought to light, the owner was told that there was diesel contaminated with gasoline in his tank which was the cause of the failure and the dealer was trying to put the owner on the hook for this repair. After some arguing and dealing with VW's warranty chain of command, he was able to successfully lobby to get vW to cover this repair.
Since the first report of this issue, other users have experienced similar situations. Some dealers are immediately blaming contaminated fuel, others are covering the damage with few or no questions asked. As of this writing (Late June, 2010) the trend is that more dealers are warranting this situation without hassle. Some still put up a fight, and some still refuse at all to believe there was no driver negligence and flat out refuse to warrant this type of failure. As dealers see this issue multiple times, it would seem that they are becoming more accepting of the fact that the fuel system can fail on its own without outside influence.
How is this caused and what can I do to prevent it?
Cause
As of right now, there's no known cause of failure. One member reported a failure of the high pressure fuel pump at 3,100 miles, and another user has reported a failure after 50,000 miles. A few causes have been speculated upon and include:
Water contaminated diesel.
Gasoline contaminated diesel.
Varying quality and lubricity of Ultra-Low Sulfur Diesel in North America.
Poor pump design - including mechanical design and metallurgy.
A bad batch of fuel pumps.
03-01-2011 | 10:33 PM
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I have a JSW and I would have bought a diesel even in light of these issues. There's been a long, long debate about lubricity on the TDi forums and no one ever really came to a conclusion about it.
I would encourage PRL to do some research to see if it was isolated to the 2009 TDis or if it's still occuring on MY11 cars.
It could simply be that older diesels had such a wide margin of tolerance that the shitty old diesel tanks that were used for filling up Ford F-350s at the local Stop'n Go didn't affect anyone but now the new HPFPs are shitting the bed because of it.
Or it could just be bad HPFPs like BMW went through with the 335i and that had nothing to do with the kind of gas people used.
I would encourage PRL to do some research to see if it was isolated to the 2009 TDis or if it's still occuring on MY11 cars.
It could simply be that older diesels had such a wide margin of tolerance that the shitty old diesel tanks that were used for filling up Ford F-350s at the local Stop'n Go didn't affect anyone but now the new HPFPs are shitting the bed because of it.
Or it could just be bad HPFPs like BMW went through with the 335i and that had nothing to do with the kind of gas people used.
03-02-2011 | 12:14 AM
#66
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From: Portland, Oregon
Very true....but expecting it to work well for a month or so without requiring a trip to the dealer isn't asking much. And the fact that they don't have this part for a car that has been in production for the better part of six years is unacceptable.
03-02-2011 | 01:41 AM
#67
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I have sent an e-mail to a local Lemon Law lawyer and will be contacting Hyundai Consumer Affairs tomorrow. I don't know what steams my carrots more; this whole situation or the fact that I have people telling me I don't have the right to be angry. Fucking pisses me off to no end.
03-02-2011 | 04:24 AM
#68
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It is not an unreasonable expectation to have that when you buy a vehicle brand new, it should not have so many defects that it is out of your possession for nearly 30 days.
Your money, your right to be angry. Enough said.
Oh, and go look at an Imprezza wagon.... Or the Forrester XT. But I must say the TDi is not a bad thought either.
Your money, your right to be angry. Enough said.
Oh, and go look at an Imprezza wagon.... Or the Forrester XT. But I must say the TDi is not a bad thought either.
03-02-2011 | 01:55 PM
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From: NJ
I have sent an e-mail to a local Lemon Law lawyer and will be contacting Hyundai Consumer Affairs tomorrow. I don't know what steams my carrots more; this whole situation or the fact that I have people telling me I don't have the right to be angry. Fucking pisses me off to no end.
You have the right to be angry and it seems you have the right to a different car.
Since you are considering wagons, what about the TSX wagon? The relaibility should be there.
03-02-2011 | 05:01 PM
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My dealer is being very understanding about all this and is virtually burning up the phone lines to corporate trying to get a climate control panel emergency ordered from Korea.
03-02-2011 | 11:23 PM
#75
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From: Central CA
03-03-2011 | 08:53 AM
#76
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From: Toronto, Ontario
Well if you're considering hatches/wagons, check out the Mazda2. Dirt cheap and proud of it, yet it's still fun to drive. Might be a bit too small then, in which case you should at least add the Mazda3 to your list.
Good luck man.
Good luck man.
03-03-2011 | 12:54 PM
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PortlandRL,
I'm with you on the Hyundai crap.
I too was enticed by the low price and lots of gadgets along with a good warranty.
WELL, not soon after the cheap cost cutting in their products started rearing it's ugly head.
I too had bizzare HVAC problems. Sometime the HVAC had a freaking mind of it's own. Blower on full blast, and I had no control over the vent, temp, fan speed...Only solution was to stop the car, shut engine off, and try again.
Of course the dealership could not fix the problem since it was intermittent.
Then the cheapass brake rotors. Warp, vibrate, shudder...and again, yes they offer a nice warranty, but guess what, not on brake rotors.
second row seat got stuck in the up position, would not slide or flip to give access to the rear.
It took three trips to the dealership to get all the parts replaced, fixed...they even broke the recline handle and didn't tell me. I found out the next time I tried to flip the seat.
Buzzing Stereo. Forget trying to use my ipod. The interference was unforgivable.
Luckly I found a new Honda and unloaded that POS.
Don't get me started on the non-existent resale value on a Hyundai/KIA.
I learned my lesson. All those gadgets Hyundai throws in at no cost. AVOID THE TEMPTATION. It's smoke and mirrors.
I'm with you on the Hyundai crap.
I too was enticed by the low price and lots of gadgets along with a good warranty.
WELL, not soon after the cheap cost cutting in their products started rearing it's ugly head.
I too had bizzare HVAC problems. Sometime the HVAC had a freaking mind of it's own. Blower on full blast, and I had no control over the vent, temp, fan speed...Only solution was to stop the car, shut engine off, and try again.
Of course the dealership could not fix the problem since it was intermittent.
Then the cheapass brake rotors. Warp, vibrate, shudder...and again, yes they offer a nice warranty, but guess what, not on brake rotors.
second row seat got stuck in the up position, would not slide or flip to give access to the rear.
It took three trips to the dealership to get all the parts replaced, fixed...they even broke the recline handle and didn't tell me. I found out the next time I tried to flip the seat.
Buzzing Stereo. Forget trying to use my ipod. The interference was unforgivable.
Luckly I found a new Honda and unloaded that POS.
Don't get me started on the non-existent resale value on a Hyundai/KIA.
I learned my lesson. All those gadgets Hyundai throws in at no cost. AVOID THE TEMPTATION. It's smoke and mirrors.
03-03-2011 | 12:56 PM
#80
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From: Southern California
PortlandRL,
I'm with you on the Hyundai crap.
I too was enticed by the low price and lots of gadgets along with a good warranty.
WELL, not soon after the cheap cost cutting in their products started rearing it's ugly head.
I too had bizzare HVAC problems. Sometime the HVAC had a freaking mind of it's own. Blower on full blast, and I had no control over the vent, temp, fan speed...Only solution was to stop the car, shut engine off, and try again.
Of course the dealership could not fix the problem since it was intermittent.
Then the cheapass brake rotors. Warp, vibrate, shudder...and again, yes they offer a nice warranty, but guess what, not on brake rotors.
second row seat got stuck in the up position, would not slide or flip to give access to the rear.
It took three trips to the dealership to get all the parts replaced, fixed...they even broke the recline handle and didn't tell me. I found out the next time I tried to flip the seat.
Buzzing Stereo. Forget trying to use my ipod. The interference was unforgivable.
Luckly I found a new Honda and unloaded that POS.
Don't get me started on the non-existent resale value on a Hyundai/KIA.
I learned my lesson. All those gadgets Hyundai throws in at no cost. AVOID THE TEMPTATION. It's smoke and mirrors.
I'm with you on the Hyundai crap.
I too was enticed by the low price and lots of gadgets along with a good warranty.
WELL, not soon after the cheap cost cutting in their products started rearing it's ugly head.
I too had bizzare HVAC problems. Sometime the HVAC had a freaking mind of it's own. Blower on full blast, and I had no control over the vent, temp, fan speed...Only solution was to stop the car, shut engine off, and try again.
Of course the dealership could not fix the problem since it was intermittent.
Then the cheapass brake rotors. Warp, vibrate, shudder...and again, yes they offer a nice warranty, but guess what, not on brake rotors.
second row seat got stuck in the up position, would not slide or flip to give access to the rear.
It took three trips to the dealership to get all the parts replaced, fixed...they even broke the recline handle and didn't tell me. I found out the next time I tried to flip the seat.
Buzzing Stereo. Forget trying to use my ipod. The interference was unforgivable.
Luckly I found a new Honda and unloaded that POS.
Don't get me started on the non-existent resale value on a Hyundai/KIA.
I learned my lesson. All those gadgets Hyundai throws in at no cost. AVOID THE TEMPTATION. It's smoke and mirrors.
