Forged Performance: The Nightmare (GTR Fail build)
#43
#44
Their shop is adjacent to my college. I have been there on multiple occasions for friends tunes, I must say out of all the shops here in Atlanta they are the most pompous about their work. Plus not too long ago they had quite the change in staff. Most left & went elsewhere.....wonder what that says.
After all this attention I'm tempted to go in with a hidden camera and see what kind of response i get to this attention....
After all this attention I'm tempted to go in with a hidden camera and see what kind of response i get to this attention....
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#51
Ahhh, got it. Thank you.
#52
Not that far fetched honestly; a 1,000+whp kit will run $70-$90K on average for a GT-R, but that includes everything.
I think the OP's problem is that he originally settled on a kit worth $73K, & then wanted to go for big power which set him back another $70K (he should have stuck to his "in stages" plan originally). Add in all the extra stuff he bought, plus dyno time, engine rebuilds, & the unnecessary time spent on custom parts not even needed, it's not that shocking.
At the heart, it's mainly labor time that was not warranted. A GT-R running 1,200whp runs around $200,000 & that includes the car. This guy just ended up paying double because the car was stuck in the shop 3 times as long as it should have been.
I think the OP's problem is that he originally settled on a kit worth $73K, & then wanted to go for big power which set him back another $70K (he should have stuck to his "in stages" plan originally). Add in all the extra stuff he bought, plus dyno time, engine rebuilds, & the unnecessary time spent on custom parts not even needed, it's not that shocking.
At the heart, it's mainly labor time that was not warranted. A GT-R running 1,200whp runs around $200,000 & that includes the car. This guy just ended up paying double because the car was stuck in the shop 3 times as long as it should have been.
At the end of the day, if it came down to spending 300k +/- on a car, it's going to have a prancing pony on the front and NOT a Nissan badge. Kind of like the whole SRT 4 thing.. At the end of the day it's still a Neon. I get that it's wayy more of a car than a Neon.. I just feel like people would be like why the hell did you spend that kind of money on a Nissan?!?!?!
I know the expense is all relative.. But that much on a Nissan is just crazy talk. To me anyways.
#54
It would but I see what he is saying. Yes, you get bragging rights for your speed but how often do you really get to use that speed? If you are going for racing, ok but I much rather have a Ferrari too.
Then again, these guys probably have a Ferrari or two and want a project, just like we do. I know some of the guys on here could have an M3 or something with the money they dump in their Acuras. Everything is relative.
Then again, these guys probably have a Ferrari or two and want a project, just like we do. I know some of the guys on here could have an M3 or something with the money they dump in their Acuras. Everything is relative.
#55
And he's ignorant of his own cars he works on.
For $1500 he offers a CAI, tune, and badging for the Focus ST.
http://www.hennesseyperformance.com/fofosthppepa.html
In his YT video he keeps referring the ST as RWD.
And he's been trying to sell his Hennessey ST for over two months now. No one will buy it, for good reasons.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...m=400488429073
In the listing he says the ST has a five-speed transmission...
And after he did this:
Last edited by RPhilMan1; 05-15-2013 at 08:28 AM.
#56
That ST has the $1495 HPE300 upgrade package which includes:
• HPE Air Induction System
• HPE Engine Management Calibration
• Hennessey Exterior Badging
• Serial-Numbered Dash & Engine Plaques
So basically your paying $1495 for a $200 CAI. This is how you get these large upgrade costs, when in actually there's not much to show for them.
On another note, an Underground Racing Stage Two Twin Turbo upgrade to a Murcielago SV LP 670 is $129,000
1100 WHP on pump gas (93 octane)
1300 WHP on race fuel (VP-C16 117 octane)
If the guy paid Forged Performance over $250k for an upgraded HKS turbo kit, injectors, and bolt on's that took almost two years to complete he's and idiot.
• HPE Air Induction System
• HPE Engine Management Calibration
• Hennessey Exterior Badging
• Serial-Numbered Dash & Engine Plaques
So basically your paying $1495 for a $200 CAI. This is how you get these large upgrade costs, when in actually there's not much to show for them.
On another note, an Underground Racing Stage Two Twin Turbo upgrade to a Murcielago SV LP 670 is $129,000
1100 WHP on pump gas (93 octane)
1300 WHP on race fuel (VP-C16 117 octane)
If the guy paid Forged Performance over $250k for an upgraded HKS turbo kit, injectors, and bolt on's that took almost two years to complete he's and idiot.
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#58
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On another note, an Underground Racing Stage Two Twin Turbo upgrade to a Murcielago SV LP 670 is $129,000
1100 WHP on pump gas (93 octane)
1300 WHP on race fuel (VP-C16 117 octane)
If the guy paid Forged Performance over $250k for an upgraded HKS turbo kit, injectors, and bolt on's that took almost two years to complete he's and idiot.
On another note, an Underground Racing Stage Two Twin Turbo upgrade to a Murcielago SV LP 670 is $129,000
1100 WHP on pump gas (93 octane)
1300 WHP on race fuel (VP-C16 117 octane)
If the guy paid Forged Performance over $250k for an upgraded HKS turbo kit, injectors, and bolt on's that took almost two years to complete he's and idiot.
#59
So? And at the end of the day it will still be a Nissan, a 300k+ Nissan. Not everyone buys a Ferrari to drag race down the hwy. Most buy it for the name and prestige that comes with owning one. Personally, ill take the Ferrari any day of the week over the GTR.
#60
1) You're paying for $200 short ram intake (not CAI).
2) The add'l $1300 goes to an external badge and engine badge.
That much on any car is crazy. But to think that because it's a Nissan, it's less of a car than Ferrari is ignorant. Nissan has a long and glorious race history. If we're talking about breaking the necks of 12 year olds and getting some dumb bimbo wet..
edit: Or giving Kris a huge stiffy driving down the HWY.. Ferrari.
He's an idiot and shoddy business owner, but he obviously knew the ST is FWD. He's probably just programmed to talk about hp to the wheels as rear wheel HP.
2) The add'l $1300 goes to an external badge and engine badge.
That much on any car is crazy. But to think that because it's a Nissan, it's less of a car than Ferrari is ignorant. Nissan has a long and glorious race history. If we're talking about breaking the necks of 12 year olds and getting some dumb bimbo wet..
edit: Or giving Kris a huge stiffy driving down the HWY.. Ferrari.
He's an idiot and shoddy business owner, but he obviously knew the ST is FWD. He's probably just programmed to talk about hp to the wheels as rear wheel HP.
Last edited by Majofo; 05-15-2013 at 09:16 AM.
#62
It's all about what you like and what you want to do with your car. Personally I will have nice used f430 or gallardo $$$ in my GT-R when my build is finished. I want to to 1/2 and mile events with my car and I would get blown away lining up in one of those. I really like the sleeperish stealthy nature of the gt-r especially ones that are built. My buddy has one that idles and sounds like stock when idling around the parking lot but you would never know it makes 1100 whp on 93. An Fcar or lambo is not really what I want right now.
That being said, 250k for a build is wayyy out of my realm. This was actually like 3 builds because it changed so many times. There was a bit of screwing going on, a bit of naivety and and definitely some shoddy workmanship.
BTW, my car is not going to Forged.
That being said, 250k for a build is wayyy out of my realm. This was actually like 3 builds because it changed so many times. There was a bit of screwing going on, a bit of naivety and and definitely some shoddy workmanship.
BTW, my car is not going to Forged.
#63
That ST has the $1495 HPE300 upgrade package which includes:
• HPE Air Induction System
• HPE Engine Management Calibration
• Hennessey Exterior Badging
• Serial-Numbered Dash & Engine Plaques
So basically your paying $1495 for a $200 CAI. This is how you get these large upgrade costs, when in actually there's not much to show for them.
On another note, an Underground Racing Stage Two Twin Turbo upgrade to a Murcielago SV LP 670 is $129,000
1100 WHP on pump gas (93 octane)
1300 WHP on race fuel (VP-C16 117 octane)
If the guy paid Forged Performance over $250k for an upgraded HKS turbo kit, injectors, and bolt on's that took almost two years to complete he's and idiot.
• HPE Air Induction System
• HPE Engine Management Calibration
• Hennessey Exterior Badging
• Serial-Numbered Dash & Engine Plaques
So basically your paying $1495 for a $200 CAI. This is how you get these large upgrade costs, when in actually there's not much to show for them.
On another note, an Underground Racing Stage Two Twin Turbo upgrade to a Murcielago SV LP 670 is $129,000
1100 WHP on pump gas (93 octane)
1300 WHP on race fuel (VP-C16 117 octane)
If the guy paid Forged Performance over $250k for an upgraded HKS turbo kit, injectors, and bolt on's that took almost two years to complete he's and idiot.
#64
1) You're paying for $200 short ram intake (not CAI).
2) The add'l $1300 goes to an external badge and engine badge.
That much on any car is crazy. But to think that because it's a Nissan, it's less of a car than Ferrari is ignorant. Nissan has a long and glorious race history. If we're talking about breaking the necks of 12 year olds and getting some dumb bimbo wet..
edit: Or giving Kris a huge stiffy driving down the HWY.. Ferrari.
He's an idiot and shoddy business owner, but he obviously knew the ST is FWD. He's probably just programmed to talk about hp to the wheels as rear wheel HP.
2) The add'l $1300 goes to an external badge and engine badge.
That much on any car is crazy. But to think that because it's a Nissan, it's less of a car than Ferrari is ignorant. Nissan has a long and glorious race history. If we're talking about breaking the necks of 12 year olds and getting some dumb bimbo wet..
edit: Or giving Kris a huge stiffy driving down the HWY.. Ferrari.
He's an idiot and shoddy business owner, but he obviously knew the ST is FWD. He's probably just programmed to talk about hp to the wheels as rear wheel HP.
My opinion is a little biased, because even if I had the money for a GT-R, I wouldn't buy one.. I dislike Nissan.. No matter what car it is.
#65
I love what Nissan has done with the GT-R. It is an example of how bad-ass a car company can make a car if they want to. It's an amazing platform with unheard of potential. However, I see a GT-R probably once a month. I think I have seen more GT-Rs than 2G RLs. It is the exclusivity of an F-car or Lambo that would get my vote for $200k+. If I only had $150k to spend on a car, a tuned GT-R would be at the top of the list, but if I had $200k+, it would fall quickly.
Fortunately for me, I don't have such first world problems.
Fortunately for me, I don't have such first world problems.
#66
This is what $72k get you in a GTR.
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Last edited by Bdog; 05-15-2013 at 02:06 PM.
#69
come to socal, I like to call the GT-R the civic of the supercars because it's so common around here. There's like 3 where i work, driven by kids, though one is owned by a staff member. a few audi R8s as well, also driven by kids.
#70
Understood.. I just can't wrap my head around spending that kind of dough on an already capable car. I get that people want to go faster, but holy fawk..
At the end of the day, if it came down to spending 300k +/- on a car, it's going to have a prancing pony on the front and NOT a Nissan badge. Kind of like the whole SRT 4 thing.. At the end of the day it's still a Neon. I get that it's wayy more of a car than a Neon.. I just feel like people would be like why the hell did you spend that kind of money on a Nissan?!?!?!
I know the expense is all relative.. But that much on a Nissan is just crazy talk. To me anyways.
At the end of the day, if it came down to spending 300k +/- on a car, it's going to have a prancing pony on the front and NOT a Nissan badge. Kind of like the whole SRT 4 thing.. At the end of the day it's still a Neon. I get that it's wayy more of a car than a Neon.. I just feel like people would be like why the hell did you spend that kind of money on a Nissan?!?!?!
I know the expense is all relative.. But that much on a Nissan is just crazy talk. To me anyways.
Not sure what the Lambo. specs have to do with it, though. The kit & car included is over $500,000.
It depends on what you want. Boost Logic had (I think AMS has it now) the world record for a GTR in the standing mile at over 203 mph and their most expensive kit is the BL1300 Package for $72,999. I doubt SW has over $150k in any of his cars, that for a daily driver most nobody can touch. There's not too many bigger dogs than Boost Logic and Underground Racing for daily drivers out there.
This is what $72k get you in a GTR.
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This is what $72k get you in a GTR.
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#72
You spend that much on any car in aftermarket parts, I would be willing to bet that it's anything but reliable, nor would you be able to drive it everyday.
#73
Like said above, there is more to owing a Ferrari than just going fast. Not to mention the pure unadulterated sound of that flat plane crank engine
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#74
Cars meant for drag racing are never good for the streets, especially since they're supposed to be in the high revvs to move.
Last edited by HairyMonkey019; 05-15-2013 at 09:27 PM.
#76
If all i was looking to do was 1/4 mile drags i could build mustang or a camaro including the cost of the car for less than the price of a used GTR to do that
Like said above, there is more to owing a Ferrari than just going fast. Not to mention the pure unadulterated sound of that flat plane crank engine
Like said above, there is more to owing a Ferrari than just going fast. Not to mention the pure unadulterated sound of that flat plane crank engine
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#78
Indeed..
Closely followed by his last of the line production LFA.
#79
If all i was looking to do was 1/4 mile drags i could build mustang or a camaro including the cost of the car for less than the price of a used GTR to do that
Like said above, there is more to owing a Ferrari than just going fast. Not to mention the pure unadulterated sound of that flat plane crank engine
Like said above, there is more to owing a Ferrari than just going fast. Not to mention the pure unadulterated sound of that flat plane crank engine
My buddy thinks his Supra is an ugly turd of a car & is overweight, but he bought it because the platform is undeniably perfect for a drag car.
Why I can't exactly speak for the GT-R (though the sheer number still running without any rebuilds at Jotech are a good testament including Kenny's), the Gallardo's V10 is undeniably one of the most bullet proof engines out there for producing 4 figure horsepower & usability since the LS2.
As Bugatti proved in whole other league, power & reliability are easily achievable; a fat checkbook & a spare $100,000 in a C6 or Gallardo's engine is what it takes.
#80
And some people don't care if there's more to it than speed.
My buddy thinks his Supra is an ugly turd of a car & is overweight, but he bought it because the platform is undeniably perfect for a drag car.
I think your post meant to say if you spend that much on any car in any aftermarket parts, it better be reliable & nothing but.
Why I can't exactly speak for the GT-R (though the sheer number still running without any rebuilds at Jotech are a good testament including Kenny's), the Gallardo's V10 is undeniably one of the most bullet proof engines out there for producing 4 figure horsepower & usability since the LS2.
As Bugatti proved in whole other league, power & reliability are easily achievable; a fat checkbook & a spare $100,000 in a C6 or Gallardo's engine is what it takes.
My buddy thinks his Supra is an ugly turd of a car & is overweight, but he bought it because the platform is undeniably perfect for a drag car.
I think your post meant to say if you spend that much on any car in any aftermarket parts, it better be reliable & nothing but.
Why I can't exactly speak for the GT-R (though the sheer number still running without any rebuilds at Jotech are a good testament including Kenny's), the Gallardo's V10 is undeniably one of the most bullet proof engines out there for producing 4 figure horsepower & usability since the LS2.
As Bugatti proved in whole other league, power & reliability are easily achievable; a fat checkbook & a spare $100,000 in a C6 or Gallardo's engine is what it takes.
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