Ford vs Honda...
03-09-2005, 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by domn
So my my second car, I bought domestic. which would have never happened 2 years ago.
03-09-2005, 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by SiGGy
I've owned 14+ cars. Most of which were domestic. I'd still buy domestic. While I'll agree Honda makes *some* good cars, most of them are cheap junk.
What are the "most of them" that you are referring to? Their lineup isn't that big, and most of them that I can think of are very good quality and meet the needs of the people looking to buy the type of vehicle being marketed very well.
03-09-2005, 10:38 PM
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sure honda has had some issues but doesnt every car manufacturer. "cheap junk" - yeah right. The incident with the brake rotors Domn mentioned is frustrating, but nonetheless, this is the first time i had heard of it. Fords in comparison, can be expected to be recalled like clockwork. Like someone else mentioned, the accord, civic, oddysey, pilot, are some of the best (and best selling) vehicles in their class, with high standards of fit and finish, for a reason - not because the offer huge ass rebates in order to sell, but instead because they a simply freakin awesome vehicles, not "cheap junk". Most domestics can't even hold a candle to these vehicles. Take the case of an 05 oddysey vs. an 05 freestar - oddysey is lightyears away in terms of fit and finish. Of late, domestic manufacturers have been trying to improve but the quality is still not up there.
BTW, just got back form driving my friends 99 cavalier. Thought i broke the turn signal stalk when i pressed it - this thing had the worst inteior i had ever seen, drove like crap, and had mushy brakes. Can't even comapre to my bud's 99 civic. Ridiculous.
BTW, just got back form driving my friends 99 cavalier. Thought i broke the turn signal stalk when i pressed it - this thing had the worst inteior i had ever seen, drove like crap, and had mushy brakes. Can't even comapre to my bud's 99 civic. Ridiculous.
03-10-2005, 04:59 AM
#45
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Originally Posted by M TYPE X
Sure, Honda has problems.
But Ford's processes and mentality are laughable.
You even got Six Sigma in there!
But Ford's processes and mentality are laughable.
You even got Six Sigma in there!
Thier Quality System is ISO/TS16949.
03-10-2005, 08:14 AM
#46
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Originally Posted by missmyprelude
Cheap junk? Kinda weird considering Honda is one of the highest quality manufacturers, and has some of the best overall vehicles in their class. Domestics can't touch the Accord, Pilot, Odyssey, among others.
What are the "most of them" that you are referring to? Their lineup isn't that big, and most of them that I can think of are very good quality and meet the needs of the people looking to buy the type of vehicle being marketed very well.
What are the "most of them" that you are referring to? Their lineup isn't that big, and most of them that I can think of are very good quality and meet the needs of the people looking to buy the type of vehicle being marketed very well.
civic
cls (way too many design flaws on this car) like a hot girl in a dress who has a STD
rsx
element
ridgeline
pilot
Nothing special about any of these vehicles. Cheap and conservative. maybe that makes them special
Accord is a great car, it's also Honda (brand name) flagship. So it better be. The TL and the RL are also fabulous cars too, as they should be for $35-50k...
03-10-2005, 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by vishnus11
sure honda has had some issues but doesnt every car manufacturer. "cheap junk" - yeah right. The incident with the brake rotors Domn mentioned is frustrating, but nonetheless, this is the first time i had heard of it. Fords in comparison, can be expected to be recalled like clockwork. Like someone else mentioned, the accord, civic, oddysey, pilot, are some of the best (and best selling) vehicles in their class, with high standards of fit and finish, for a reason - not because the offer huge ass rebates in order to sell, but instead because they a simply freakin awesome vehicles, not "cheap junk". Most domestics can't even hold a candle to these vehicles. Take the case of an 05 oddysey vs. an 05 freestar - oddysey is lightyears away in terms of fit and finish. Of late, domestic manufacturers have been trying to improve but the quality is still not up there.
BTW, just got back form driving my friends 99 cavalier. Thought i broke the turn signal stalk when i pressed it - this thing had the worst inteior i had ever seen, drove like crap, and had mushy brakes. Can't even comapre to my bud's 99 civic. Ridiculous.
BTW, just got back form driving my friends 99 cavalier. Thought i broke the turn signal stalk when i pressed it - this thing had the worst inteior i had ever seen, drove like crap, and had mushy brakes. Can't even comapre to my bud's 99 civic. Ridiculous.
however i'll humor the GM argument. GM makes junk as well.
Cavalier starts at 9.5k abd goes to 15k
Civic starts at 13.5K and goes up to almost 20k
One is significantly cheaper than the other by a margin of almost 33%.
I would take the civic over the cavalier anyday. however i'd take a ford focus over the civic... Ford focus has been a top 10 rated car 5 years in a row.
03-10-2005, 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by SiGGy
maybe compare to a ford focus.
however i'll humor the GM argument. GM makes junk as well.
Cavalier starts at 9.5k abd goes to 15k
Civic starts at 13.5K and goes up to almost 20k
One is significantly cheaper than the other by a margin of almost 33%.
I would take the civic over the cavalier anyday. however i'd take a ford focus over the civic... Ford focus has been a top 10 rated car 5 years in a row.
however i'll humor the GM argument. GM makes junk as well.
Cavalier starts at 9.5k abd goes to 15k
Civic starts at 13.5K and goes up to almost 20k
One is significantly cheaper than the other by a margin of almost 33%.
I would take the civic over the cavalier anyday. however i'd take a ford focus over the civic... Ford focus has been a top 10 rated car 5 years in a row.
definetely i would agree that a civic costs more. But I'd rather pay that extra $$$ and get a car thats worth my time and money.
And how are the civc, pilot, ridgeline, and especially the rsx junk???
civic: boring in this generation, but nonetheless well built, and fun to drive. slick shifter and pleasing interior. new one promises to be even better.
pilot: has been on C&D's 5 best trucks list for a few years now. Good build quality (friend has one). Definetely better than an explorer IMO.
ridgeline: a truly unique vehicle that bob lutz mentioned as being one of the three vehicles GM needed to worry about. First and only in class to have in bed storage - ingenious idea IMO. If you read the reviews on the truck, its also the only one that has the most car like ride and feel. Would defeinetly ride and handle better than a F150 and in a comparison with 5000lbs attactched to botha ridgeline and a f150 V8, they were practically even with eachother (f150 edged it out). This truck appeals to the majority of people who have want trucks, but usually carry nothing in the bed, and would almost never tow anything over 5k lbs.
rsx: awesome car that unfortunately only appeals to a niche market. Some say that a Type S is about as fun to drive as a Teg Type R, and thats saying something. Would definetly blow away the now extinct SVT Focus.
03-10-2005, 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by vishnus11
ridgeline: a truly unique vehicle that bob lutz mentioned as being one of the three vehicles GM needed to worry about.
03-10-2005, 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by SiGGy
Ford focus has been a top 10 rated car 5 years in a row.
It was rated highly because of its superior driving dynamics but its reliabilty was terrible in the early model years. If I recall correctly it was either THE most recalled car in North America or right near the top. 04 and 05's have been alot better though.
03-10-2005, 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by domn
It was rated highly because of its superior driving dynamics but its reliabilty was terrible in the early model years. If I recall correctly it was either THE most recalled car in North America or right near the top. 04 and 05's have been alot better though.
I think you're right.People are entitled to their opinions about the manufacturers, but the reality is that from a business standpoint, the Japanese manufacturers have a much more efficient model. Plus, with just-in-time manufacturing principles, you don't get the massive inventory inefficiencies that drive down the cost of American made cars.
03-10-2005, 10:42 AM
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Yeh, the Neon was beaten by the FOCUS for reliablity..or lack there of.
Originally Posted by domn
It was rated highly because of its superior driving dynamics but its reliabilty was terrible in the early model years. If I recall correctly it was either THE most recalled car in North America or right near the top. 04 and 05's have been alot better though.
03-10-2005, 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by domn
It was rated highly because of its superior driving dynamics but its reliabilty was terrible in the early model years. If I recall correctly it was either THE most recalled car in North America or right near the top. 04 and 05's have been alot better though.
I kinda hate to mention recalls because Japanese manufacturers are 10x more reluctant to re-call than US manufacturers are. It shows on a lot of their vehicles, it seems they wait until they have to re-call where as a lof of US manufacturers do it in haste. I'm sure it works both ways a bit, but I can name tons of things that should have been recalled on many acuras that weren't. And on a "luxury" car thats horrible...
03-10-2005, 01:00 PM
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Where are the recalls? and the ford has WAY less TSB's.
Bulletins for 2003 Ford Focus L4-121 2.0L DOHC VIN 5 Zetec SFI
Service Bulletins
TSB Number Issue Date TSB Title
1. 04-8-1 MAY 04 M/T - Rattling Noise at Idle With Clutch Pedal Released
2. 04-6-1 APR 04 Suspension - Creak, Crunch, Grinding or Rattle Noise
3. 04-5-5 MAR 04 Lighting - Turn Signal Lamps Won't Self-Cancel
4. 03-23-2 NOV 03 Body - Exterior Mirror Glass/Motor Service Tips
5. 03-22-5 NOV 03 Body - Hood Latch Difficult/Unable to Open
6. 03-20-3 OCT 03 Emissions - MIL ON/DTC's Stored/Check Fuel Cap Lamp ON
7. 03-19-11 SEP 03 Engine Controls - Hard Start/Driveability Issues
8. 03-18-2 SEP 03 A/C - Water in Blower Motor Case
9. 03-18-1 SEP 03 Keyless Entry System - Service Tips
10. 04-5-8 MAR 03 Interior - Carpet Pulling Away From Kick Panel
TSB problems in the civic shows poor construction...
Bulletins for 2003 Ford Focus L4-121 2.0L DOHC VIN 5 Zetec SFI
Service Bulletins
TSB Number Issue Date TSB Title
1. 04-8-1 MAY 04 M/T - Rattling Noise at Idle With Clutch Pedal Released
2. 04-6-1 APR 04 Suspension - Creak, Crunch, Grinding or Rattle Noise
3. 04-5-5 MAR 04 Lighting - Turn Signal Lamps Won't Self-Cancel
4. 03-23-2 NOV 03 Body - Exterior Mirror Glass/Motor Service Tips
5. 03-22-5 NOV 03 Body - Hood Latch Difficult/Unable to Open
6. 03-20-3 OCT 03 Emissions - MIL ON/DTC's Stored/Check Fuel Cap Lamp ON
7. 03-19-11 SEP 03 Engine Controls - Hard Start/Driveability Issues
8. 03-18-2 SEP 03 A/C - Water in Blower Motor Case
9. 03-18-1 SEP 03 Keyless Entry System - Service Tips
10. 04-5-8 MAR 03 Interior - Carpet Pulling Away From Kick Panel
Bulletins for 2003 Honda Civic L4-1668cc 1.7L SOHC (VTEC-E) MFI
Service Bulletins
TSB Number Issue Date TSB Title
1. 02-034 APR 04 SRS - Indicator Lamp ON/Multiple DTC's Set
2. 03-068 APR 04 Body - Door Lock Cylinder Binds/Sticks
3. 88-023 MAR 04 Battery - Testing Procedure
4. 02-002 MAR 04 M/T - Clutch Pedal Noise/Notchy Feel
5. 04-009 FEB 04 Computers/Controls - HIM Module Updating
6. 01-023 JAN 04 Engine Controls - Control Module Programming Procedure
7. 00-064 NOV 03 Body - Deformed Windshield Molding
8. 01-057 NOV 03 Interior - Driver's Seat Rocks Backwards/Forwards
9. 03-067 SEP 03 Body - Water Leaks Into Trunk
10. 03-061 SEP 03 Fuel System - Air Cleaner Case Cracked
11. 03-062 SEP 03 Interior - Seat Belts Slow to Retract
12. 01-028 AUG 03 Interior - Right Hand Dashboard Creaking Noise
13. 98-018 JUL 03 Drivetrain - Revised CV Joint Boot Band/Installation
14. 03-009 JUN 03 M/T - Clicking Noise Driving in 2nd Gear
15. 00-088 JUN 03 Brakes - Brake Disc Refinishing Guideline
16. 01-053 APR 03 Antitheft System - Type 3 System Operation/Programming
17. 00-085 APR 03 Lighting - Interior Spot Light Lenses Stick
18. 03-010 APR 03 Body - Front Bumper Spoiler Loose/Detached
19. 98-011 APR 03 Keyless Entry - Transmitter ID/Programming
20. 03-020 MAR 03 Engine Controls/Emissions - OBD II DTC's & Monitors
21. 96-012 JUL 00 A/C - System Performance Testing
Service Bulletins
TSB Number Issue Date TSB Title
1. 02-034 APR 04 SRS - Indicator Lamp ON/Multiple DTC's Set
2. 03-068 APR 04 Body - Door Lock Cylinder Binds/Sticks
3. 88-023 MAR 04 Battery - Testing Procedure
4. 02-002 MAR 04 M/T - Clutch Pedal Noise/Notchy Feel
5. 04-009 FEB 04 Computers/Controls - HIM Module Updating
6. 01-023 JAN 04 Engine Controls - Control Module Programming Procedure
7. 00-064 NOV 03 Body - Deformed Windshield Molding
8. 01-057 NOV 03 Interior - Driver's Seat Rocks Backwards/Forwards
9. 03-067 SEP 03 Body - Water Leaks Into Trunk
10. 03-061 SEP 03 Fuel System - Air Cleaner Case Cracked
11. 03-062 SEP 03 Interior - Seat Belts Slow to Retract
12. 01-028 AUG 03 Interior - Right Hand Dashboard Creaking Noise
13. 98-018 JUL 03 Drivetrain - Revised CV Joint Boot Band/Installation
14. 03-009 JUN 03 M/T - Clicking Noise Driving in 2nd Gear
15. 00-088 JUN 03 Brakes - Brake Disc Refinishing Guideline
16. 01-053 APR 03 Antitheft System - Type 3 System Operation/Programming
17. 00-085 APR 03 Lighting - Interior Spot Light Lenses Stick
18. 03-010 APR 03 Body - Front Bumper Spoiler Loose/Detached
19. 98-011 APR 03 Keyless Entry - Transmitter ID/Programming
20. 03-020 MAR 03 Engine Controls/Emissions - OBD II DTC's & Monitors
21. 96-012 JUL 00 A/C - System Performance Testing
03-10-2005, 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by CGTSX2004
SiGGy, search back a few more years and pull up all the TSBs related to this model cycle for the focus. Issues galore.
Well when the car was new, sure I'm sure it had some problems. I'm not discussing what once was. I'm discussing current vehicles.
but, I'll dig them up and post them. Gimme a few.
03-10-2005, 01:09 PM
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So I have to go back 5 years?!?!?! common we're not discussing the past.
Bulletins for 2001 Ford Focus L4-121 2.0L SOHC VIN P SFI
Safety Recalls
TSB Number Issue Date TSB Title
1. 01S24 AUG 01 Recall - Defective Wiper Motor Switch/Gear Cover
2. 01S13 MAR 01 Recall - Seat Back Recliner Handle Spring Replacement
General Recalls
TSB Number Issue Date TSB Title
1. 01B85S1 DEC 01 Campaign - Rear Hub Bearing Kit Installation
Service Bulletins
TSB Number Issue Date TSB Title
1. 04-9-1 MAY 04 Engine - MIL ON/Misfire DTC's/Driveability Concerns
2. 04-6-1 APR 04 Suspension - Creak, Crunch, Grinding or Rattle Noise
3. 04-5-6 MAR 04 Fuel Delivery Module - Replacement Procedure
4. 04-5-5 MAR 04 Lighting - Turn Signal Lamps Won't Self-Cancel
5. 03-23-2 NOV 03 Body - Exterior Mirror Glass/Motor Service Tips
6. 03-22-5 NOV 03 Body - Hood Latch Difficult/Unable to Open
7. 03-20-3 OCT 03 Emissions - MIL ON/DTC's Stored/Check Fuel Cap Lamp ON
8. 03-19-11 SEP 03 Engine Controls - Hard Start/Driveability Issues
9. 03-18-2 SEP 03 A/C - Water in Blower Motor Case
10. 03-18-1 SEP 03 Keyless Entry System - Service Tips
11. 03-15-11 AUG 03 Drivetrain - Intermediate Axle Shaft Bearing Replacement
12. 03-15-2 AUG 03 Emissions - MIL ON/DTC's P0402/P0403/Runs Rough
13. 03-15-1 AUG 03 Rear Window Defroster - Inoperative
14. 03-14-8 JUL 03 A/T - Cooler Flushing Service Tips
15. 03-13-5 JUL 03 Suspension - Rear Tire Inner Edge Wear
16. 03-11-6 JUN 03 Electrical - Wiring Soldering/Crimping Tips
17. 03-10-5 MAY 03 Electrical - Wiring Harness Replacement Tips
18. 04-5-8 MAR 03 Interior - Carpet Pulling Away From Kick Panel
19. 03-3-1 FEB 03 Electrical - Horn Inoperative
20. 02-23-4 NOV 02 Engine Controls - DTC P1635 Set After PCM/IC Replacement
21. 02-21-13 OCT 02 Engine - Cylinder Head Straightedge Surface Check
22. 02-21-2 OCT 02 Fuel System - Fuel Pressure Relief Valve Eliminated
23. 02-20-8 OCT 02 A/C System - Diagnosis and Service Tips
24. 02-18-2 SEP 02 Interior - Ignition Lock Cylinder Hard to Turn
25. 02-13-1 JUL 02 Emissions - MIL ON/DTC's Set/Ticking Noise (DPFE Sensor)
26. 02-11-4 JUN 02 Aluminum Engine - New Cleaners/Service Tips
27. 02-11-2 JUN 02 Brakes - Excessive Brake Dust on Wheels
28. 02-4-5 FEB 02 Battery - Charging Tips and Guidelines
29. 02-2-3 FEB 02 Engine - Aluminum Block/Head Machining
30. 02-1-4 JAN 02 Engine Head Gasket - Approved Replacement Procedures
31. 02-1-9 JAN 02 Engine Oil - Oil Recommendations/Applications
32. 02-1-6 JAN 02 Wheels/Tires - Road Force Measurement Equipment
33. 01-25-4 DEC 01 A/T - Reprogram PCM After Installing Revised Transaxle
34. 01-24-6 DEC 01 Engine - Oil System Priming Procedures
35. 01-23-6 NOV 01 Engine Coolant - Propylene Glycol Recommendations
36. 01-20-5 OCT 01 Driveability - Vacuum Leak Detection
37. 01-16-3 AUG 01 Engine - Hesitation at Cruise or Light Tip In
38. 01-15-7 AUG 01 A/T - Fluid Application Charts
39. 01-15-6 AUG 01 Heater Core - Repeated Failure
40. 01-10-12 MAY 01 Wire Harness - Terminal Repair Kit
41. 01-9-7 MAY 01 Emissions/Engine Controls - Driveability Diagnosis
42. 01-9-2 MAY 01 Evaporator Case/Cowl - Interior Water leaks
43. 01-6-2 APR 01 PATS System - Diagnostic Service Tips
44. 01-4-13 MAR 01 MIL ON - DTC's P0300 Thru P0304 Set
45. 01-1-13 JAN 01 CPM - MIL ON DTC P0118 Stored in Memory
46. 00L12 JAN 01 Warranty - Guide Supplement
47. 00-16-1 AUG 00 A/T - 'Prior To Repair' Tag Procedure Notice
Safety Recalls
TSB Number Issue Date TSB Title
1. 01S24 AUG 01 Recall - Defective Wiper Motor Switch/Gear Cover
2. 01S13 MAR 01 Recall - Seat Back Recliner Handle Spring Replacement
General Recalls
TSB Number Issue Date TSB Title
1. 01B85S1 DEC 01 Campaign - Rear Hub Bearing Kit Installation
Service Bulletins
TSB Number Issue Date TSB Title
1. 04-9-1 MAY 04 Engine - MIL ON/Misfire DTC's/Driveability Concerns
2. 04-6-1 APR 04 Suspension - Creak, Crunch, Grinding or Rattle Noise
3. 04-5-6 MAR 04 Fuel Delivery Module - Replacement Procedure
4. 04-5-5 MAR 04 Lighting - Turn Signal Lamps Won't Self-Cancel
5. 03-23-2 NOV 03 Body - Exterior Mirror Glass/Motor Service Tips
6. 03-22-5 NOV 03 Body - Hood Latch Difficult/Unable to Open
7. 03-20-3 OCT 03 Emissions - MIL ON/DTC's Stored/Check Fuel Cap Lamp ON
8. 03-19-11 SEP 03 Engine Controls - Hard Start/Driveability Issues
9. 03-18-2 SEP 03 A/C - Water in Blower Motor Case
10. 03-18-1 SEP 03 Keyless Entry System - Service Tips
11. 03-15-11 AUG 03 Drivetrain - Intermediate Axle Shaft Bearing Replacement
12. 03-15-2 AUG 03 Emissions - MIL ON/DTC's P0402/P0403/Runs Rough
13. 03-15-1 AUG 03 Rear Window Defroster - Inoperative
14. 03-14-8 JUL 03 A/T - Cooler Flushing Service Tips
15. 03-13-5 JUL 03 Suspension - Rear Tire Inner Edge Wear
16. 03-11-6 JUN 03 Electrical - Wiring Soldering/Crimping Tips
17. 03-10-5 MAY 03 Electrical - Wiring Harness Replacement Tips
18. 04-5-8 MAR 03 Interior - Carpet Pulling Away From Kick Panel
19. 03-3-1 FEB 03 Electrical - Horn Inoperative
20. 02-23-4 NOV 02 Engine Controls - DTC P1635 Set After PCM/IC Replacement
21. 02-21-13 OCT 02 Engine - Cylinder Head Straightedge Surface Check
22. 02-21-2 OCT 02 Fuel System - Fuel Pressure Relief Valve Eliminated
23. 02-20-8 OCT 02 A/C System - Diagnosis and Service Tips
24. 02-18-2 SEP 02 Interior - Ignition Lock Cylinder Hard to Turn
25. 02-13-1 JUL 02 Emissions - MIL ON/DTC's Set/Ticking Noise (DPFE Sensor)
26. 02-11-4 JUN 02 Aluminum Engine - New Cleaners/Service Tips
27. 02-11-2 JUN 02 Brakes - Excessive Brake Dust on Wheels
28. 02-4-5 FEB 02 Battery - Charging Tips and Guidelines
29. 02-2-3 FEB 02 Engine - Aluminum Block/Head Machining
30. 02-1-4 JAN 02 Engine Head Gasket - Approved Replacement Procedures
31. 02-1-9 JAN 02 Engine Oil - Oil Recommendations/Applications
32. 02-1-6 JAN 02 Wheels/Tires - Road Force Measurement Equipment
33. 01-25-4 DEC 01 A/T - Reprogram PCM After Installing Revised Transaxle
34. 01-24-6 DEC 01 Engine - Oil System Priming Procedures
35. 01-23-6 NOV 01 Engine Coolant - Propylene Glycol Recommendations
36. 01-20-5 OCT 01 Driveability - Vacuum Leak Detection
37. 01-16-3 AUG 01 Engine - Hesitation at Cruise or Light Tip In
38. 01-15-7 AUG 01 A/T - Fluid Application Charts
39. 01-15-6 AUG 01 Heater Core - Repeated Failure
40. 01-10-12 MAY 01 Wire Harness - Terminal Repair Kit
41. 01-9-7 MAY 01 Emissions/Engine Controls - Driveability Diagnosis
42. 01-9-2 MAY 01 Evaporator Case/Cowl - Interior Water leaks
43. 01-6-2 APR 01 PATS System - Diagnostic Service Tips
44. 01-4-13 MAR 01 MIL ON - DTC's P0300 Thru P0304 Set
45. 01-1-13 JAN 01 CPM - MIL ON DTC P0118 Stored in Memory
46. 00L12 JAN 01 Warranty - Guide Supplement
47. 00-16-1 AUG 00 A/T - 'Prior To Repair' Tag Procedure Notice
03-10-2005, 01:11 PM
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...
01 civic still has more problems...
make sure you note the TSB's run to current date
Bulletins for 2001 Honda Civic LX Sedan L4-1668cc 1.7L SOHC MFI
Safety Recalls
TSB Number Issue Date TSB Title
1. 04-015 MAR 04 Recall - Combination Light Switch Replacement
2. 02-004 FEB 02 Recall - Rear Seat Belt Buckle Non-Compliance
3. 01-095 OCT 01 Recall - Air Cleaner Housing Inspection/Replacement
4. 01-059 JUN 01 Recall - Fuel Fill Hose Clamp Tightness
5. 01-060 JUN 01 Recall - Fuel Pump Connector Corrosion
General Recalls
TSB Number Issue Date TSB Title
1. 00-098 DEC 00 Campaign - PCM Update
Service Bulletins
TSB Number Issue Date TSB Title
1. 02-034 APR 04 SRS - Indicator Lamp ON/Multiple DTC's Set
2. 03-039 APR 04 Suspension - Front Suspension Knock, Pop or Squeak
3. 88-023 MAR 04 Battery - Testing Procedure
4. 02-002 MAR 04 M/T - Clutch Pedal Noise/Notchy Feel
5. 02-083 FEB 04 Engine Controls - Occasional Stalling When Stopping
6. 04-009 FEB 04 Computers/Controls - HIM Module Updating
7. 01-023 JAN 04 Engine Controls - Control Module Programming Procedure
8. 00-064 NOV 03 Body - Deformed Windshield Molding
9. 03-077 OCT 03 Engine Controls - MIL ON with 'Unknown' DTC Set
10. 02-070 SEP 03 Suspension - Rear Suspension Squeaking Noises
11. 03-067 SEP 03 Body - Water Leaks Into Trunk
12. 03-061 SEP 03 Fuel System - Air Cleaner Case Cracked
13. 03-062 SEP 03 Interior - Seat Belts Slow to Retract
14. 01-028 AUG 03 Interior - Right Hand Dashboard Creaking Noise
15. 98-018 JUL 03 Drivetrain - Revised CV Joint Boot Band/Installation
16. 03-009 JUN 03 M/T - Clicking Noise Driving in 2nd Gear
17. 00-088 JUN 03 Brakes - Brake Disc Refinishing Guideline
18. 01-053 APR 03 Antitheft System - Type 3 System Operation/Programming
19. 02-061 APR 03 Body - Trunk Lid is Difficult to Close
20. 00-085 APR 03 Lighting - Interior Spot Light Lenses Stick
21. 03-010 APR 03 Body - Front Bumper Spoiler Loose/Detached
22. 03-020 MAR 03 Engine Controls/Emissions - OBD II DTC's & Monitors
23. 02-054 OCT 02 Restraint System - 'SIDE AIRBAG OFF' Indicator ON
24. 02-052 AUG 02 Restraint System - Occupant Detection Initialization
25. 02-039 JUL 02 M/T - Shift Lever Difficult to Move/Hard Shifting
26. 02-034 JUN 02 Restraint System - SRS Indicator ON/DTC's Set
27. 02-026 MAY 02 Emissions - MIL ON With DTC P1457 (EVAP) Set
28. 00-095 MAR 02 Body - Moonroof Seal Squeaks
29. 02-008 MAR 02 Body - Trunk Release Handle Inoperative
30. 01-048 NOV 01 Front Door Panel - Rattle/Wind Noise
31. 01-054 NOV 01 Front Suspension - Popping/Crunching/Knocking Noise
32. 98-061 NOV 01 A/T - In-Warranty Exchange Program
33. 01-091 OCT 01 Windshield - Cracks At Lower Corners
34. 01-074 OCT 01 Trunk - Water Leaks
35. 01-081 OCT 01 M/T - Stiff Shifting/Pops Out Of Gear
36. 01-086 OCT 01 Steering Wheel - Feels Stiff/Grinding Noise When Turning
37. 01-089 SEP 01 A/C, Dash - Center Vents Hard to Adjust
38. 01-043 SEP 01 Front Subframe - Removal Adapter
39. 01-068 AUG 01 Body - Roof Molding Warped/Loose
40. 00-088 AUG 01 Brake Discs - Refinishing Guidelines
41. 01-040 AUG 01 Engine Rear Main Oil Seal - Leaks
42. 01-063 JUL 01 Fog Light Lens - Cracked/Damaged
43. 01-058 JUL 01 Instruments - Fuel Gauge Inaccurate on an Incline
44. 01-049 MAY 01 A/T - MIL ON/DTC P0740 Set
45. 01-050 MAY 01 Body - Front Window Moves Slowly or Binds
46. 01-029 MAY 01 Engine Controls - DTC Capture and Downloading
47. 01-039 APR 01 Body - Front Air Spoiler Loose/Coming OFF
48. 00-004 MAR 01 Hood - Rattles on Rough Roads
49. 01-034 FEB 01 Evaporator Drain Tube - Passenger's Carpet Gets Wet
50. 00-099 DEC 00 Wiring Terminal - Repair Instructions
51. 00-088 NOV 00 Brake Rotor - Refinishing Guidelines
52. 00-086 OCT 00 Rear Power Door Locks - Will Not Cycle
53. 00-089 OCT 00 Supplemental Restraint System - Inspection
54. 00-074 OCT 00 Alternator - Bolt Tightening Sequence Manual Update
55. 00-076 OCT 00 Headliner - Sags in Rear
56. 00-063 AUG 00 Special Tool - Chassis EAR(TM), Diagnostic Tool
57. 96-012 JUL 00 A/C - System Performance Testing
Safety Recalls
TSB Number Issue Date TSB Title
1. 04-015 MAR 04 Recall - Combination Light Switch Replacement
2. 02-004 FEB 02 Recall - Rear Seat Belt Buckle Non-Compliance
3. 01-095 OCT 01 Recall - Air Cleaner Housing Inspection/Replacement
4. 01-059 JUN 01 Recall - Fuel Fill Hose Clamp Tightness
5. 01-060 JUN 01 Recall - Fuel Pump Connector Corrosion
General Recalls
TSB Number Issue Date TSB Title
1. 00-098 DEC 00 Campaign - PCM Update
Service Bulletins
TSB Number Issue Date TSB Title
1. 02-034 APR 04 SRS - Indicator Lamp ON/Multiple DTC's Set
2. 03-039 APR 04 Suspension - Front Suspension Knock, Pop or Squeak
3. 88-023 MAR 04 Battery - Testing Procedure
4. 02-002 MAR 04 M/T - Clutch Pedal Noise/Notchy Feel
5. 02-083 FEB 04 Engine Controls - Occasional Stalling When Stopping
6. 04-009 FEB 04 Computers/Controls - HIM Module Updating
7. 01-023 JAN 04 Engine Controls - Control Module Programming Procedure
8. 00-064 NOV 03 Body - Deformed Windshield Molding
9. 03-077 OCT 03 Engine Controls - MIL ON with 'Unknown' DTC Set
10. 02-070 SEP 03 Suspension - Rear Suspension Squeaking Noises
11. 03-067 SEP 03 Body - Water Leaks Into Trunk
12. 03-061 SEP 03 Fuel System - Air Cleaner Case Cracked
13. 03-062 SEP 03 Interior - Seat Belts Slow to Retract
14. 01-028 AUG 03 Interior - Right Hand Dashboard Creaking Noise
15. 98-018 JUL 03 Drivetrain - Revised CV Joint Boot Band/Installation
16. 03-009 JUN 03 M/T - Clicking Noise Driving in 2nd Gear
17. 00-088 JUN 03 Brakes - Brake Disc Refinishing Guideline
18. 01-053 APR 03 Antitheft System - Type 3 System Operation/Programming
19. 02-061 APR 03 Body - Trunk Lid is Difficult to Close
20. 00-085 APR 03 Lighting - Interior Spot Light Lenses Stick
21. 03-010 APR 03 Body - Front Bumper Spoiler Loose/Detached
22. 03-020 MAR 03 Engine Controls/Emissions - OBD II DTC's & Monitors
23. 02-054 OCT 02 Restraint System - 'SIDE AIRBAG OFF' Indicator ON
24. 02-052 AUG 02 Restraint System - Occupant Detection Initialization
25. 02-039 JUL 02 M/T - Shift Lever Difficult to Move/Hard Shifting
26. 02-034 JUN 02 Restraint System - SRS Indicator ON/DTC's Set
27. 02-026 MAY 02 Emissions - MIL ON With DTC P1457 (EVAP) Set
28. 00-095 MAR 02 Body - Moonroof Seal Squeaks
29. 02-008 MAR 02 Body - Trunk Release Handle Inoperative
30. 01-048 NOV 01 Front Door Panel - Rattle/Wind Noise
31. 01-054 NOV 01 Front Suspension - Popping/Crunching/Knocking Noise
32. 98-061 NOV 01 A/T - In-Warranty Exchange Program
33. 01-091 OCT 01 Windshield - Cracks At Lower Corners
34. 01-074 OCT 01 Trunk - Water Leaks
35. 01-081 OCT 01 M/T - Stiff Shifting/Pops Out Of Gear
36. 01-086 OCT 01 Steering Wheel - Feels Stiff/Grinding Noise When Turning
37. 01-089 SEP 01 A/C, Dash - Center Vents Hard to Adjust
38. 01-043 SEP 01 Front Subframe - Removal Adapter
39. 01-068 AUG 01 Body - Roof Molding Warped/Loose
40. 00-088 AUG 01 Brake Discs - Refinishing Guidelines
41. 01-040 AUG 01 Engine Rear Main Oil Seal - Leaks
42. 01-063 JUL 01 Fog Light Lens - Cracked/Damaged
43. 01-058 JUL 01 Instruments - Fuel Gauge Inaccurate on an Incline
44. 01-049 MAY 01 A/T - MIL ON/DTC P0740 Set
45. 01-050 MAY 01 Body - Front Window Moves Slowly or Binds
46. 01-029 MAY 01 Engine Controls - DTC Capture and Downloading
47. 01-039 APR 01 Body - Front Air Spoiler Loose/Coming OFF
48. 00-004 MAR 01 Hood - Rattles on Rough Roads
49. 01-034 FEB 01 Evaporator Drain Tube - Passenger's Carpet Gets Wet
50. 00-099 DEC 00 Wiring Terminal - Repair Instructions
51. 00-088 NOV 00 Brake Rotor - Refinishing Guidelines
52. 00-086 OCT 00 Rear Power Door Locks - Will Not Cycle
53. 00-089 OCT 00 Supplemental Restraint System - Inspection
54. 00-074 OCT 00 Alternator - Bolt Tightening Sequence Manual Update
55. 00-076 OCT 00 Headliner - Sags in Rear
56. 00-063 AUG 00 Special Tool - Chassis EAR(TM), Diagnostic Tool
57. 96-012 JUL 00 A/C - System Performance Testing
make sure you note the TSB's run to current date
03-10-2005, 01:14 PM
#61
Moderator Alumnus
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Bulletins for 2000 Ford Focus L4-121 2.0L SOHC VIN P SFI
Safety Recalls
TSB Number Issue Date TSB Title
1. 00S20S1 OCT 20 Recall - `A' Pillar Trim Replacement
2. 01S24 AUG 01 Recall - Defective Wiper Motor Switch/Gear Cover
3. 00S55 JAN 01 Recall - Rear Seat Back Hinge Replacement
4. 00S50 DEC 00 Recall - Decklid Wire Harness Replacement
5. 00S31 OCT 00 Recall - Wheel Bearing Inspection/Retainer Installation
6. 99S35 DEC 99 Recall - Speed Control Cable & Servo Replacement
Emissions Recalls
TSB Number Issue Date TSB Title
1. 99E07 SEP 99 Recall - Fuel Fill Hose Replacement
General Recalls
TSB Number Issue Date TSB Title
1. 01B85S1 DEC 01 Campaign - Rear Hub Bearing Kit Installation
2. 01B73 APR 01 Campaign - Sony Limited Edition Subwoofer Defect
3. 00B59 DEC 00 Campaign - Clutch Master Cylinder/Spring Replacement
4. 00T04 OCT 00 Campaign - PCM Reprogramming
5. 99B22 SEP 99 Campaign - Engine Mount Replacement
6. 99B21 SEP 99 Campaign - Fuel Pulse Damper Replacement
Service Bulletins
TSB Number Issue Date TSB Title
1. 04-9-1 MAY 04 Engine - MIL ON/Misfire DTC's/Driveability Concerns
2. 04-6-1 APR 04 Suspension - Creak, Crunch, Grinding or Rattle Noise
3. 04-5-5 MAR 04 Lighting - Turn Signal Lamps Won't Self-Cancel
4. 03-23-2 NOV 03 Body - Exterior Mirror Glass/Motor Service Tips
5. 03-22-5 NOV 03 Body - Hood Latch Difficult/Unable to Open
6. 03-20-3 OCT 03 Emissions - MIL ON/DTC's Stored/Check Fuel Cap Lamp ON
7. 03-18-2 SEP 03 A/C - Water in Blower Motor Case
8. 03-18-1 SEP 03 Keyless Entry System - Service Tips
9. 03-15-11 AUG 03 Drivetrain - Intermediate Axle Shaft Bearing Replacement
10. 03-15-2 AUG 03 Emissions - MIL ON/DTC's P0402/P0403/Runs Rough
11. 03-15-1 AUG 03 Rear Window Defroster - Inoperative
12. 03-14-8 JUL 03 A/T - Cooler Flushing Service Tips
13. 03-13-5 JUL 03 Suspension - Rear Tire Inner Edge Wear
14. 03-11-6 JUN 03 Electrical - Wiring Soldering/Crimping Tips
15. 03-10-5 MAY 03 Electrical - Wiring Harness Replacement Tips
16. 04-5-8 MAR 03 Interior - Carpet Pulling Away From Kick Panel
17. 03-3-1 FEB 03 Electrical - Horn Inoperative
18. 02-23-4 NOV 02 Engine Controls - DTC P1635 Set After PCM/IC Replacement
19. 02-21-13 OCT 02 Engine - Cylinder Head Straightedge Surface Check
20. 02-21-2 OCT 02 Fuel System - Fuel Pressure Relief Valve Eliminated
21. 02-20-8 OCT 02 A/C System - Diagnosis and Service Tips
22. 02-18-2 SEP 02 Interior - Ignition Lock Cylinder Hard to Turn
23. 02-11-4 JUN 02 Aluminum Engine - New Cleaners/Service Tips
24. 02-11-2 JUN 02 Brakes - Excessive Brake Dust on Wheels
25. 02-4-5 FEB 02 Battery - Charging Tips and Guidelines
26. 02-2-3 FEB 02 Engine - Aluminum Block/Head Machining
27. 02-1-4 JAN 02 Engine Head Gasket - Approved Replacement Procedures
28. 02-1-9 JAN 02 Engine Oil - Oil Recommendations/Applications
29. 02-1-6 JAN 02 Wheels/Tires - Road Force Measurement Equipment
30. 01-25-4 DEC 01 A/T - Reprogram PCM After Installing Revised Transaxle
31. 01-24-6 DEC 01 Engine - Oil System Priming Procedures
32. 01-23-6 NOV 01 Engine Coolant - Propylene Glycol Recommendations
33. 01-20-5 OCT 01 Driveability - Vacuum Leak Detection
34. 01-16-3 AUG 01 Engine - Hesitation at Cruise or Light Tip In
35. 01-15-7 AUG 01 A/T - Fluid Application Charts
36. 01-15-6 AUG 01 Heater Core - Repeated Failure
37. 01-10-12 MAY 01 Wire Harness - Terminal Repair Kit
38. 01-9-7 MAY 01 Emissions/Engine Controls - Driveability Diagnosis
39. 01-9-2 MAY 01 Evaporator Case/Cowl - Interior Water leaks
40. 01-6-2 APR 01 PATS System - Diagnostic Service Tips
41. 01-4-13 MAR 01 MIL ON - DTC's P0300 Thru P0304 Set
42. 00-6-6 MAR 00 A/C Panel/Defrost Door - Fluttering Noise
43. 00-6-7 MAR 00 Heater Plenum - Whistling Noise
44. 00-2-1 JAN 00 PCV Valve - Fluttering Noise When Car Is Turned Off
45. 99-26-9 DEC 99 Fuel Economy - Customer Expectation vs. Vehicle Usage
46. 99-23-4 NOV 99 EVAP - DTC's P0442/P0455/MIL ON/No Driveability Concerns
47. 99-22-2 NOV 99 Wire Harness - Terminal Repair Kit/Wire Splice Procedure
48. 99-19-6 SEP 99 A/C - Identification of Non Approved Refrigerants
49. 99-19-4 SEP 99 Brakes - Vibration/Inspection Service Tips
50. 99-16-6 AUG 99 A/T - 4F27E Prior to Service Green Repair Tag
Safety Recalls
TSB Number Issue Date TSB Title
1. 00S20S1 OCT 20 Recall - `A' Pillar Trim Replacement
2. 01S24 AUG 01 Recall - Defective Wiper Motor Switch/Gear Cover
3. 00S55 JAN 01 Recall - Rear Seat Back Hinge Replacement
4. 00S50 DEC 00 Recall - Decklid Wire Harness Replacement
5. 00S31 OCT 00 Recall - Wheel Bearing Inspection/Retainer Installation
6. 99S35 DEC 99 Recall - Speed Control Cable & Servo Replacement
Emissions Recalls
TSB Number Issue Date TSB Title
1. 99E07 SEP 99 Recall - Fuel Fill Hose Replacement
General Recalls
TSB Number Issue Date TSB Title
1. 01B85S1 DEC 01 Campaign - Rear Hub Bearing Kit Installation
2. 01B73 APR 01 Campaign - Sony Limited Edition Subwoofer Defect
3. 00B59 DEC 00 Campaign - Clutch Master Cylinder/Spring Replacement
4. 00T04 OCT 00 Campaign - PCM Reprogramming
5. 99B22 SEP 99 Campaign - Engine Mount Replacement
6. 99B21 SEP 99 Campaign - Fuel Pulse Damper Replacement
Service Bulletins
TSB Number Issue Date TSB Title
1. 04-9-1 MAY 04 Engine - MIL ON/Misfire DTC's/Driveability Concerns
2. 04-6-1 APR 04 Suspension - Creak, Crunch, Grinding or Rattle Noise
3. 04-5-5 MAR 04 Lighting - Turn Signal Lamps Won't Self-Cancel
4. 03-23-2 NOV 03 Body - Exterior Mirror Glass/Motor Service Tips
5. 03-22-5 NOV 03 Body - Hood Latch Difficult/Unable to Open
6. 03-20-3 OCT 03 Emissions - MIL ON/DTC's Stored/Check Fuel Cap Lamp ON
7. 03-18-2 SEP 03 A/C - Water in Blower Motor Case
8. 03-18-1 SEP 03 Keyless Entry System - Service Tips
9. 03-15-11 AUG 03 Drivetrain - Intermediate Axle Shaft Bearing Replacement
10. 03-15-2 AUG 03 Emissions - MIL ON/DTC's P0402/P0403/Runs Rough
11. 03-15-1 AUG 03 Rear Window Defroster - Inoperative
12. 03-14-8 JUL 03 A/T - Cooler Flushing Service Tips
13. 03-13-5 JUL 03 Suspension - Rear Tire Inner Edge Wear
14. 03-11-6 JUN 03 Electrical - Wiring Soldering/Crimping Tips
15. 03-10-5 MAY 03 Electrical - Wiring Harness Replacement Tips
16. 04-5-8 MAR 03 Interior - Carpet Pulling Away From Kick Panel
17. 03-3-1 FEB 03 Electrical - Horn Inoperative
18. 02-23-4 NOV 02 Engine Controls - DTC P1635 Set After PCM/IC Replacement
19. 02-21-13 OCT 02 Engine - Cylinder Head Straightedge Surface Check
20. 02-21-2 OCT 02 Fuel System - Fuel Pressure Relief Valve Eliminated
21. 02-20-8 OCT 02 A/C System - Diagnosis and Service Tips
22. 02-18-2 SEP 02 Interior - Ignition Lock Cylinder Hard to Turn
23. 02-11-4 JUN 02 Aluminum Engine - New Cleaners/Service Tips
24. 02-11-2 JUN 02 Brakes - Excessive Brake Dust on Wheels
25. 02-4-5 FEB 02 Battery - Charging Tips and Guidelines
26. 02-2-3 FEB 02 Engine - Aluminum Block/Head Machining
27. 02-1-4 JAN 02 Engine Head Gasket - Approved Replacement Procedures
28. 02-1-9 JAN 02 Engine Oil - Oil Recommendations/Applications
29. 02-1-6 JAN 02 Wheels/Tires - Road Force Measurement Equipment
30. 01-25-4 DEC 01 A/T - Reprogram PCM After Installing Revised Transaxle
31. 01-24-6 DEC 01 Engine - Oil System Priming Procedures
32. 01-23-6 NOV 01 Engine Coolant - Propylene Glycol Recommendations
33. 01-20-5 OCT 01 Driveability - Vacuum Leak Detection
34. 01-16-3 AUG 01 Engine - Hesitation at Cruise or Light Tip In
35. 01-15-7 AUG 01 A/T - Fluid Application Charts
36. 01-15-6 AUG 01 Heater Core - Repeated Failure
37. 01-10-12 MAY 01 Wire Harness - Terminal Repair Kit
38. 01-9-7 MAY 01 Emissions/Engine Controls - Driveability Diagnosis
39. 01-9-2 MAY 01 Evaporator Case/Cowl - Interior Water leaks
40. 01-6-2 APR 01 PATS System - Diagnostic Service Tips
41. 01-4-13 MAR 01 MIL ON - DTC's P0300 Thru P0304 Set
42. 00-6-6 MAR 00 A/C Panel/Defrost Door - Fluttering Noise
43. 00-6-7 MAR 00 Heater Plenum - Whistling Noise
44. 00-2-1 JAN 00 PCV Valve - Fluttering Noise When Car Is Turned Off
45. 99-26-9 DEC 99 Fuel Economy - Customer Expectation vs. Vehicle Usage
46. 99-23-4 NOV 99 EVAP - DTC's P0442/P0455/MIL ON/No Driveability Concerns
47. 99-22-2 NOV 99 Wire Harness - Terminal Repair Kit/Wire Splice Procedure
48. 99-19-6 SEP 99 A/C - Identification of Non Approved Refrigerants
49. 99-19-4 SEP 99 Brakes - Vibration/Inspection Service Tips
50. 99-16-6 AUG 99 A/T - 4F27E Prior to Service Green Repair Tag
Bulletins for 2000 Honda Civic EX Sedan L4-1590cc 1.6L SOHC (VTEC) MFI
Safety Recalls
TSB Number Issue Date TSB Title
1. 02-031 SEP 02 Recall - Ignition Switch Replacement
2. 02-004 FEB 02 Recall - Rear Seat Belt Buckle Non-Compliance
Service Bulletins
TSB Number Issue Date TSB Title
1. 88-023 MAR 04 Battery - Testing Procedure
2. 04-009 FEB 04 Computers/Controls - HIM Module Updating
3. 01-023 JAN 04 Engine Controls - Control Module Programming Procedure
4. 00-064 NOV 03 Body - Deformed Windshield Molding
5. 03-078 OCT 03 Brakes - Brake Indicator Comes ON/Goes OFF
6. 03-062 SEP 03 Interior - Seat Belts Slow to Retract
7. 98-018 JUL 03 Drivetrain - Revised CV Joint Boot Band/Installation
8. 00-088 JUN 03 Brakes - Brake Disc Refinishing Guideline
9. 98-011 APR 03 Keyless Entry - Transmitter ID/Programming
10. 03-020 MAR 03 Engine Controls/Emissions - OBD II DTC's & Monitors
11. 03-016 MAR 03 Engine Controls - Inspection of Idle Speed
12. 03-001 JAN 03 Emissions/Engine Controls - MIL ON/DTC P1457 (EVAP)
13. 02-052 AUG 02 Restraint System - Occupant Detection Initialization
14. 00-095 MAR 02 Body - Moonroof Seal Squeaks
15. 00-006 DEC 01 Suspension - Rear Suspension Clunk/Squeak Noise
16. 98-061 NOV 01 A/T - In-Warranty Exchange Program
17. 00-088 AUG 01 Brake Discs - Refinishing Guidelines
18. 01-040 AUG 01 Engine Rear Main Oil Seal - Leaks
19. 00-012 JUN 01 A/T - Harsh Shifts/Stays in 1st Gear/MIL ON/DTC's Set
20. 01-029 MAY 01 Engine Controls - DTC Capture and Downloading
21. 00-004 MAR 01 Hood - Rattles on Rough Roads
22. 01-024 FEB 01 A/T - Fluid Leak From Converter Housing
23. 99-002 JAN 01 Body - Driver's Power Mirror Vibrates
24. 00-099 DEC 00 Wiring Terminal - Repair Instructions
25. 00-088 NOV 00 Brake Rotor - Refinishing Guidelines
26. 00-089 OCT 00 Supplemental Restraint System - Inspection
27. 00-081 OCT 00 Speedometer - Needle Sticks or Fluctuates
28. 00-063 AUG 00 Special Tool - Chassis EAR(TM), Diagnostic Tool
29. 96-012 JUL 00 A/C - System Performance Testing
30. 00-057 JUL 00 CD Player - Sound Cuts Out at High Volume
31. 99-053 JUN 00 Immobilizer Key - Key Code Duplicator
32. 00-012 JUN 00 A/T - Harsh Shifts/MIL ON DTC P0370 & P0715 Set
33. 99-018 APR 00 Required Special Tools And Equipment,
34. 98-019 MAR 00 Audio Unit - Warranty Exhange/Out of Warranty Repair
35. 00-015 MAR 00 Audio Unit with CD Player/Changer - Error Codes
36. 00-032 MAR 00 Paint Codes
37. 00-022 MAR 00 Torque Converter Oil Seal - Installation Tool
38. 00-025 FEB 00 Coolant Leak From Reservoir
39. 99-073 FEB 00 Driver's Foot Rest - Popping Noise
40. 00-007 FEB 00 Fuse Box Cover - Falls Off
41. 97-009 FEB 00 Ignition Switch - Key Cannot Be Removed
42. 00-013 FEB 00 Rear Doors - Hard To Open
43. 00-021 FEB 00 Windshield - Wind Noise (Whistle)
44. 97-015 DEC 99 Service Publications - Availability & Ordering
45. 99-089 NOV 99 Hood Release Handle - Broken
46. 99-094 NOV 99 Poor Radio Reception
47. 98-031 NOV 99 Aftermarket On Board Diagnostic (OBD) || Tester
48. 99-062 OCT 99 Paint Damage From Environmental Fallout
49. 99-030 MAY 99 Recommended Materials
50. 98-051 AUG 98 Special Tool Loan Program
Safety Recalls
TSB Number Issue Date TSB Title
1. 02-031 SEP 02 Recall - Ignition Switch Replacement
2. 02-004 FEB 02 Recall - Rear Seat Belt Buckle Non-Compliance
Service Bulletins
TSB Number Issue Date TSB Title
1. 88-023 MAR 04 Battery - Testing Procedure
2. 04-009 FEB 04 Computers/Controls - HIM Module Updating
3. 01-023 JAN 04 Engine Controls - Control Module Programming Procedure
4. 00-064 NOV 03 Body - Deformed Windshield Molding
5. 03-078 OCT 03 Brakes - Brake Indicator Comes ON/Goes OFF
6. 03-062 SEP 03 Interior - Seat Belts Slow to Retract
7. 98-018 JUL 03 Drivetrain - Revised CV Joint Boot Band/Installation
8. 00-088 JUN 03 Brakes - Brake Disc Refinishing Guideline
9. 98-011 APR 03 Keyless Entry - Transmitter ID/Programming
10. 03-020 MAR 03 Engine Controls/Emissions - OBD II DTC's & Monitors
11. 03-016 MAR 03 Engine Controls - Inspection of Idle Speed
12. 03-001 JAN 03 Emissions/Engine Controls - MIL ON/DTC P1457 (EVAP)
13. 02-052 AUG 02 Restraint System - Occupant Detection Initialization
14. 00-095 MAR 02 Body - Moonroof Seal Squeaks
15. 00-006 DEC 01 Suspension - Rear Suspension Clunk/Squeak Noise
16. 98-061 NOV 01 A/T - In-Warranty Exchange Program
17. 00-088 AUG 01 Brake Discs - Refinishing Guidelines
18. 01-040 AUG 01 Engine Rear Main Oil Seal - Leaks
19. 00-012 JUN 01 A/T - Harsh Shifts/Stays in 1st Gear/MIL ON/DTC's Set
20. 01-029 MAY 01 Engine Controls - DTC Capture and Downloading
21. 00-004 MAR 01 Hood - Rattles on Rough Roads
22. 01-024 FEB 01 A/T - Fluid Leak From Converter Housing
23. 99-002 JAN 01 Body - Driver's Power Mirror Vibrates
24. 00-099 DEC 00 Wiring Terminal - Repair Instructions
25. 00-088 NOV 00 Brake Rotor - Refinishing Guidelines
26. 00-089 OCT 00 Supplemental Restraint System - Inspection
27. 00-081 OCT 00 Speedometer - Needle Sticks or Fluctuates
28. 00-063 AUG 00 Special Tool - Chassis EAR(TM), Diagnostic Tool
29. 96-012 JUL 00 A/C - System Performance Testing
30. 00-057 JUL 00 CD Player - Sound Cuts Out at High Volume
31. 99-053 JUN 00 Immobilizer Key - Key Code Duplicator
32. 00-012 JUN 00 A/T - Harsh Shifts/MIL ON DTC P0370 & P0715 Set
33. 99-018 APR 00 Required Special Tools And Equipment,
34. 98-019 MAR 00 Audio Unit - Warranty Exhange/Out of Warranty Repair
35. 00-015 MAR 00 Audio Unit with CD Player/Changer - Error Codes
36. 00-032 MAR 00 Paint Codes
37. 00-022 MAR 00 Torque Converter Oil Seal - Installation Tool
38. 00-025 FEB 00 Coolant Leak From Reservoir
39. 99-073 FEB 00 Driver's Foot Rest - Popping Noise
40. 00-007 FEB 00 Fuse Box Cover - Falls Off
41. 97-009 FEB 00 Ignition Switch - Key Cannot Be Removed
42. 00-013 FEB 00 Rear Doors - Hard To Open
43. 00-021 FEB 00 Windshield - Wind Noise (Whistle)
44. 97-015 DEC 99 Service Publications - Availability & Ordering
45. 99-089 NOV 99 Hood Release Handle - Broken
46. 99-094 NOV 99 Poor Radio Reception
47. 98-031 NOV 99 Aftermarket On Board Diagnostic (OBD) || Tester
48. 99-062 OCT 99 Paint Damage From Environmental Fallout
49. 99-030 MAY 99 Recommended Materials
50. 98-051 AUG 98 Special Tool Loan Program
03-10-2005, 01:21 PM
#64
Moderator Alumnus
Originally Posted by CGTSX2004
The number isn't necessarily that telling. Look at the contents of the TSBs. The fords are a lot of technical issues. The Civics are mostly nitpicking.
nit picking?!?!? sorry, all of the below are problems, the ones I highlighted are the worst IMO.
i removed the lame ones, and highlighted the worst/annoying ones.
This is the civic...
2. 02-004 FEB 02 Recall - Rear Seat Belt Buckle Non-Compliance
3. 01-095 OCT 01 Recall - Air Cleaner Housing Inspection/Replacement
5. 01-060 JUN 01 Recall - Fuel Pump Connector Corrosion
1. 02-034 APR 04 SRS - Indicator Lamp ON/Multiple DTC's Set
2. 03-039 APR 04 Suspension - Front Suspension Knock, Pop or Squeak
4. 02-002 MAR 04 M/T - Clutch Pedal Noise/Notchy Feel
5. 02-083 FEB 04 Engine Controls - Occasional Stalling When Stopping
8. 00-064 NOV 03 Body - Deformed Windshield Molding
10. 02-070 SEP 03 Suspension - Rear Suspension Squeaking Noises
11. 03-067 SEP 03 Body - Water Leaks Into Trunk
12. 03-061 SEP 03 Fuel System - Air Cleaner Case Cracked
13. 03-062 SEP 03 Interior - Seat Belts Slow to Retract
14. 01-028 AUG 03 Interior - Right Hand Dashboard Creaking Noise
16. 03-009 JUN 03 M/T - Clicking Noise Driving in 2nd Gear
17. 00-088 JUN 03 Brakes - Brake Disc Refinishing Guideline
hmm, more warped rotors? no way, not honda! lol
19. 02-061 APR 03 Body - Trunk Lid is Difficult to Close
20. 00-085 APR 03 Lighting - Interior Spot Light Lenses Stick
21. 03-010 APR 03 Body - Front Bumper Spoiler Loose/Detached
25. 02-039 JUL 02 M/T - Shift Lever Difficult to Move/Hard Shifting
27. 02-026 MAY 02 Emissions - MIL ON With DTC P1457 (EVAP) Set
28. 00-095 MAR 02 Body - Moonroof Seal Squeaks
29. 02-008 MAR 02 Body - Trunk Release Handle Inoperative
30. 01-048 NOV 01 Front Door Panel - Rattle/Wind Noise
31. 01-054 NOV 01 Front Suspension - Popping/Crunching/Knocking Noise
32. 98-061 NOV 01 A/T - In-Warranty Exchange Program
hmm, anyone seeing a pattern here?
33. 01-091 OCT 01 Windshield - Cracks At Lower Corners
34. 01-074 OCT 01 Trunk - Water Leaks
35. 01-081 OCT 01 M/T - Stiff Shifting/Pops Out Of Gear
36. 01-086 OCT 01 Steering Wheel - Feels Stiff/Grinding Noise When Turning
39. 01-068 AUG 01 Body - Roof Molding Warped/Loose
41. 01-040 AUG 01 Engine Rear Main Oil Seal - Leaks
42. 01-063 JUL 01 Fog Light Lens - Cracked/Damaged
45. 01-050 MAY 01 Body - Front Window Moves Slowly or Binds
[b]48. 00-004 MAR 01 Hood - Rattles on Rough Roads[b]
49. 01-034 FEB 01 Evaporator Drain Tube - Passenger's Carpet Gets Wet
55. 00-076 OCT 00 Headliner - Sags in Rear
3. 01-095 OCT 01 Recall - Air Cleaner Housing Inspection/Replacement
5. 01-060 JUN 01 Recall - Fuel Pump Connector Corrosion
1. 02-034 APR 04 SRS - Indicator Lamp ON/Multiple DTC's Set
2. 03-039 APR 04 Suspension - Front Suspension Knock, Pop or Squeak
4. 02-002 MAR 04 M/T - Clutch Pedal Noise/Notchy Feel
5. 02-083 FEB 04 Engine Controls - Occasional Stalling When Stopping
8. 00-064 NOV 03 Body - Deformed Windshield Molding
10. 02-070 SEP 03 Suspension - Rear Suspension Squeaking Noises
11. 03-067 SEP 03 Body - Water Leaks Into Trunk
12. 03-061 SEP 03 Fuel System - Air Cleaner Case Cracked
13. 03-062 SEP 03 Interior - Seat Belts Slow to Retract
14. 01-028 AUG 03 Interior - Right Hand Dashboard Creaking Noise
16. 03-009 JUN 03 M/T - Clicking Noise Driving in 2nd Gear
17. 00-088 JUN 03 Brakes - Brake Disc Refinishing Guideline
hmm, more warped rotors? no way, not honda! lol
19. 02-061 APR 03 Body - Trunk Lid is Difficult to Close
20. 00-085 APR 03 Lighting - Interior Spot Light Lenses Stick
21. 03-010 APR 03 Body - Front Bumper Spoiler Loose/Detached
25. 02-039 JUL 02 M/T - Shift Lever Difficult to Move/Hard Shifting
27. 02-026 MAY 02 Emissions - MIL ON With DTC P1457 (EVAP) Set
28. 00-095 MAR 02 Body - Moonroof Seal Squeaks
29. 02-008 MAR 02 Body - Trunk Release Handle Inoperative
30. 01-048 NOV 01 Front Door Panel - Rattle/Wind Noise
31. 01-054 NOV 01 Front Suspension - Popping/Crunching/Knocking Noise
32. 98-061 NOV 01 A/T - In-Warranty Exchange Program
hmm, anyone seeing a pattern here?
33. 01-091 OCT 01 Windshield - Cracks At Lower Corners
34. 01-074 OCT 01 Trunk - Water Leaks
35. 01-081 OCT 01 M/T - Stiff Shifting/Pops Out Of Gear
36. 01-086 OCT 01 Steering Wheel - Feels Stiff/Grinding Noise When Turning
39. 01-068 AUG 01 Body - Roof Molding Warped/Loose
41. 01-040 AUG 01 Engine Rear Main Oil Seal - Leaks
42. 01-063 JUL 01 Fog Light Lens - Cracked/Damaged
45. 01-050 MAY 01 Body - Front Window Moves Slowly or Binds
[b]48. 00-004 MAR 01 Hood - Rattles on Rough Roads[b]
49. 01-034 FEB 01 Evaporator Drain Tube - Passenger's Carpet Gets Wet
55. 00-076 OCT 00 Headliner - Sags in Rear
03-10-2005, 01:22 PM
#65
Senior Moderator
Civic
50. 98-051 AUG 98 Special Tool Loan Program
49. 99-030 MAY 99 Recommended Materials
37. 00-022 MAR 00 Torque Converter Oil Seal - Installation Tool
35. 00-015 MAR 00 Audio Unit with CD Player/Changer - Error Codes
25. 00-088 NOV 00 Brake Rotor - Refinishing Guidelines
16. 98-061 NOV 01 A/T - In-Warranty Exchange Program
3. 01-023 JAN 04 Engine Controls - Control Module Programming Procedure
20. 01-029 MAY 01 Engine Controls - DTC Capture and Downloading
44. 97-015 DEC 99 Service Publications - Availability & Ordering
47. 98-031 NOV 99 Aftermarket On Board Diagnostic (OBD) || Tester
50. 98-051 AUG 98 Special Tool Loan Program
49. 99-030 MAY 99 Recommended Materials
37. 00-022 MAR 00 Torque Converter Oil Seal - Installation Tool
35. 00-015 MAR 00 Audio Unit with CD Player/Changer - Error Codes
25. 00-088 NOV 00 Brake Rotor - Refinishing Guidelines
16. 98-061 NOV 01 A/T - In-Warranty Exchange Program
3. 01-023 JAN 04 Engine Controls - Control Module Programming Procedure
20. 01-029 MAY 01 Engine Controls - DTC Capture and Downloading
44. 97-015 DEC 99 Service Publications - Availability & Ordering
47. 98-031 NOV 99 Aftermarket On Board Diagnostic (OBD) || Tester
03-10-2005, 01:26 PM
#66
Senior Moderator
Originally Posted by CGTSX2004
The number isn't necessarily that telling. Look at the contents of the TSBs. The fords are a lot of technical issues. The Civics are mostly nitpicking.
03-10-2005, 01:27 PM
#67
Moderator Alumnus
Originally Posted by F23A4
dude! read my thread above. I HIGHLIGHTED THE BAD ONES, removed the lame ones, and left the others. Are you guys blind? or did you just read the parts you wanted.
03-10-2005, 01:29 PM
#68
Senior Moderator
32. 98-061 NOV 01 A/T - In-Warranty Exchange Program
03-10-2005, 01:30 PM
#69
Moderator Alumnus
Originally Posted by domn
Its a guideline for what to do if a AT tranny needs replacing under warranty. It doesn't mean the car had faulty AT's.
03-10-2005, 01:30 PM
#70
Senior Moderator
Originally Posted by SiGGy
dude! read my thread above. I HIGHLIGHTED THE BAD ONES, removed the lame ones, and left the others.
These 3 were the only ones worthy note:
2. 02-004 FEB 02 Recall - Rear Seat Belt Buckle Non-Compliance
3. 01-095 OCT 01 Recall - Air Cleaner Housing Inspection/Replacement
5. 01-060 JUN 01 Recall - Fuel Pump Connector Corrosion
I cant tell you how many of the other items come up for the 2002 Nissan Maxima that I have NEVER experienced in 3 years of ownership (35k)
03-10-2005, 01:32 PM
#71
Moderator Alumnus
Originally Posted by F23A4
I did.
These 3 were the only ones worthy note:
2. 02-004 FEB 02 Recall - Rear Seat Belt Buckle Non-Compliance
3. 01-095 OCT 01 Recall - Air Cleaner Housing Inspection/Replacement
5. 01-060 JUN 01 Recall - Fuel Pump Connector Corrosion
I cant tell you how many of the other items come up for the 2002 Nissan Maxima that I have NEVER experienced in 3 years of ownership (35k)
These 3 were the only ones worthy note:
2. 02-004 FEB 02 Recall - Rear Seat Belt Buckle Non-Compliance
3. 01-095 OCT 01 Recall - Air Cleaner Housing Inspection/Replacement
5. 01-060 JUN 01 Recall - Fuel Pump Connector Corrosion
I cant tell you how many of the other items come up for the 2002 Nissan Maxima that I have NEVER experienced in 3 years of ownership (35k)
water leaks, handles not working, crack in windshield, headliner sagging...
03-10-2005, 01:35 PM
#73
Moderator Alumnus
Originally Posted by domn
ya, I know all of you are die hard honda fans (duh, we're on a Honda enthusiast site) But the basic Honda really don't hold that much over the equilavlent Fords. (im not counting flagship cars here guys, i can agree there)
(I'm keeping the topic on ford vs. honda, why I dropped GM out of the converstation)
One of the few things Lutz has said that I agree with is the populations perspective on American cars. Even if you had written proof of one being better, most people would still find the Asian car to be superior... it's programmed into us.
however I'm sure if I brought this subject up on a Ford site, the tables would turn.
Someone has to play devils adovate on the Honda/Acura site
Guess I picked the role this time 
03-10-2005, 01:40 PM
#74
Senior Moderator
Originally Posted by SiGGy
So your saying, any of the ones I highlighted in bold above are not worth mentioning? And anyone who complains about them is nit picking?
water leaks, handles not working, crack in windshield, headliner sagging...
water leaks, handles not working, crack in windshield, headliner sagging...
As with any mass produced product, there will be several that wont cut the mustard. For the most part, Civics and Corollas are not perfect but generally have lshown themselves to have less issues than their sub-compact counterparts.
03-10-2005, 01:42 PM
#75
Senior Moderator
Originally Posted by SiGGy
ya, I know all of you are die hard honda fans (duh, we're on a Honda enthusiast site) But the basic Honda really don't hold that much over the equilavlent Fords. (im not counting flagship cars here guys, i can agree there)
(I'm keeping the topic on ford vs. honda, why I dropped GM out of the converstation)
One of the few things Lutz has said that I agree with is the populations perspective on American cars. Even if you had written proof of one being better, most people would still find the Asian car to be superior...
however I'm sure if I brought this subject up on a Ford site, the tables would turn.
Someone has to play devils adovate on the Honda/Acura site
Guess I picked the role this time I really don't disagree with you. All we can do is set our opinion aside and fall back on the facts. Statistics, if you put any credence in JD Power and Consumer Reports prove that as a hole Honda > Ford. On a per model basis I guess arguments can be made.
03-10-2005, 01:44 PM
#76
Moderator Alumnus
Originally Posted by F23A4
Not in the least but the information has to read with some balance. As I have an inlaw with an 01 Civic LX, she's not had any such misfortune.
As with any mass produced product, there will be several that wont cut the mustard. For the most part, Civics and Corollas are not perfect but generally have lshown themselves to have less issues than their sub-compact counterparts.
As with any mass produced product, there will be several that wont cut the mustard. For the most part, Civics and Corollas are not perfect but generally have lshown themselves to have less issues than their sub-compact counterparts.
Would I buy a 1st year Ford? no
It's pretty obvious ford got most of the kinks of of the car!
There will always be someone who owned a perfect focus and will wear by it, as well the focus owner who hates it because it had 498089423809^37982 problems. Same /w the civic... and good and bad dealerships to boot.
However it's pretty obvious to me the focus is on par /w the civic...
03-10-2005, 01:58 PM
#77
Senior Moderator
Originally Posted by SiGGy
I agree, just trying to show they are a lot closer than most think. It's just the general thought process involved.
Would I buy a 1st year Ford? no
It's pretty obvious ford got most of the kinks of of the car!
There will always be someone who owned a perfect focus and will wear by it, as well the focus owner who hates it because it had 498089423809^37982 problems. Same /w the civic... and good and bad dealerships to boot.
However it's pretty obvious to me the focus is on par /w the civic...
Would I buy a 1st year Ford? no
It's pretty obvious ford got most of the kinks of of the car!
There will always be someone who owned a perfect focus and will wear by it, as well the focus owner who hates it because it had 498089423809^37982 problems. Same /w the civic... and good and bad dealerships to boot.
However it's pretty obvious to me the focus is on par /w the civic...
No need to sell me on the inroads some domestics makes have made. Along those lines, IMO the new Chevy Cobalt looks to have some potential as well. (Time will tell on that one though.)
03-10-2005, 02:10 PM
#78
Senior Moderator
Originally Posted by F23A4
No need to sell me on the inroads some domestics makes have made. Along those lines, IMO the new Chevy Cobalt looks to have some potential as well. (Time will tell on that one though.)I test drove one and I really, really tried to like it. But in the end, the interior fit and finish and materials used were just
The steering was far too boosted as well but otherwise it wasn't all that bad. For my 20-22K CAD which is what all these cars cost I'd take a Corolla. Test drove a ZX5 awhile back and the suspension was first rate. It soaked up bumps far better than the TSX and the feed back was as good if not better. Its the rest of the car especially the interior thats lacking.
03-10-2005, 05:43 PM
#79
Three Wheelin'
Originally Posted by F23A4
Not in the least but the information has to read with some balance. As I have an inlaw with an 01 Civic LX, she's not had any such misfortune.
As with any mass produced product, there will be several that wont cut the mustard. For the most part, Civics and Corollas are not perfect but generally have lshown themselves to have less issues than their sub-compact counterparts.
As with any mass produced product, there will be several that wont cut the mustard. For the most part, Civics and Corollas are not perfect but generally have lshown themselves to have less issues than their sub-compact counterparts.
03-10-2005, 07:57 PM
#80
Senior Moderator
Originally Posted by MADCAT
There's alot more happy Honda owners out there then in this forum. Most owners won't look at FORD after owning a Japenese car. Including me.
MADCAT, former FORD owner.
MADCAT, former FORD owner.
On the CLS, I've had both lower control arms replaced (one at 7500, another at 15K), brakes re-done all around at 22.5K, and a bunch of stupid little things all around. In my 1st 22.5K miles off owner ship the CLS was in for service more (time wise) then my Ford was in 130K miles.... Rattles and squeaks have been a constant problem.
Comparing a Ford Built in Detroit to an Acura built in Ohio is an apples to apples comparison IMHO. Domestic built vs. Built in Japan is another story.
Would I buy another Ford ?? Damn right I would...
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