Water-S

if you guys have read the new (I think it's car and driver it might be motor trend) they confirmed for 2003(model year) they're bringing out the Evo VIII and sure asthe sky blue Subaru gotta answer to with the WRX Sti package(which will be a even more turned up WRX) and I just read online today Nissan for 2004 is bringing back the Skyline GT-R(according to another website they said the GT-R coming back) all of these cars are AWD performance animals I think they'll all be in the low 30 grand range.
right now I'm ranking them like this
#1 Skyline
#2 WRX
#3 Evo VIII
what do you guys think:P

Nashua_Night_Hawk

The Skyline would be $50,000+ car...

I would pick an M3 or an M5!

Water-S

dang if it's that much i'm not gonna drop it on GT-R. I can have WRX sti doing everything it does for the 15-20 grand less.

Zapata

The drivetrain on the GT-R is a bit more advanced and the car has a great potential as far as power goes. Plus, it looks better.

skyline gt-r v-spec
lancer evoVII
subaru sti

haiduc

skyline ownz


if i had to pick between the M3 and the Nissan, i would honestly go for the import. the value is excelent on it, and performance-wise the car will spank the e46 M3, esp when you consider the AWD.

gmilian

aren't bmw and nissan imports? i know the m3 is built here but it still is considered an import, just like our cars.

Kkranghkar

Hate to break it to you, but the M3 is an import.

23wt

I would say for apperance and speed, Skyline is the superior one. Handling would go to LanEvo and WRX. Even thought GTR is 4WD/AWD, the car is a bit too big compared to the other two.

1. Skyline GTR (R34)
2. LanEvo V
3. Impreza (22B)

I like the older generations for all 3 cars. Especially the Skyline.

tunkz

If they bring skyline into US for $50k, the fate would end up like Supra TT and Mazda RX-7 in the early 90s. Supra TT is introduced in 93 for $50k. In 97 Toyota slashed the price to $40k, and in 98, they discontinued the line, because of inert sales. RX-7 has the same bad luck when it was priced lower at $35k.
I do not think AWD = better performance than RWD. I personally would pick new S4 over the Skyline if I really want AWD that badly and price is around $ 50k. E46 M3 CSL scored better time in Nurburding than Skyline GTR. IMHO, Skyline is not as good looking as E46 M3/ new S4.
I've read magazines review saying Evo VII handles better than GTR V specs. so,
1) Evo VII
2) STI
3) GTR V Specs

Zapata

Ah true it could go the same way but the peformance market and the demand for peformance cars is VERY high right now so it's up for debate as to whether the car would make it or not.

Eh i guess the preference of the evoVII v. GTR-r34 vspec is taste but i'll take the 6 cylinder turbo (which won't be around next time because of emissions) over the 4 cylinder turbo.

You can't buy a M3 CSL in the states if not i'm not mistaken.

tunkz

Yeah if price is no object, I would prolly take GTR V spec over Evo VII. But with 15k difference, I'll keep my $ 15k. I dun't know about 4 cylinder and 6 cylinder thing. BMW is currently building their ultimate auto track car to go head to head with Porsche. It will be less than 2500 lbs, and I-4 engine with approximately 240hp. I believe more in = lighter car is a better handling car than AWD = better handler. One BMW owner who owned Mini, Z8 and E46 M3 admitted that Mini has the best handling. Guess what Mini is 2600lbs FWD car=)

Water-S

if they(Nissan) bring over the GT-R at 30 or even 35 grand that's gonna be my project car cause they're almost like Supras and Integra type Rs where you can get tons of HP out of a little motor plus they're pretty fast from the factory.
as long as i can remember I've only seen a few GT-Rs on the road. You guys might laugh but you ever think almost any of these 3 cars are awesome Autocross cars. lightweight,AWD,sporty from the factory, what more can you ask for .
i've done some Pro and Cons for each car.
Evo VII
Pros
-if it's gonna be as wicked as everyone claims it will tear it up
- the body style is "alright"
Cons
-It's all new territory in the US for the Evo so there might be problems 1st few years(some recalls and other stuff)
-i'm worried with Dodge owning Mitsubushi(or having controling stocks0 that they'll be a POS
WRX sti
Pros
-it's proved itself already
- you can get PLENTY of motor/performance options for it from the factory
Cons
-styling
-everyone has one
Skyline GT-R
Pros
-it sounds like it's the "big dog" of the group
-of the 3 i like it's styling the best
Cons
-COST COST COST(if it's 50+ grand )
- how long will they keep this before they cut this line AGAIN

ItalianStallion

wait a second! grampa please give me a history lesson. i thought the Skyline GTR never came to the states. if they do send over the skyline GTR V spec i'd say that is the shit. but what is all this talk about 4's and 6's i thought it is a 6 cylinder. please educate me on the skyline GTR i dont know a whole lot bout it and i didnt think Nissan was ever gonna release it in the states. (?) please excuse any facts i got totally wrong, im still a young'n thats learnin

SilverCL225hp

I have read the Hong Kong version of Car and Driver and they testdrove the Evo VII, and this car is very fast and good in performance, but as far as comfort, it is bad to the bone. All the incongruities of the road would transfer completely to the chassis therefore to the passengers, and the suspension almost doesn't filter out any vibration. However, Sti and GTR still considers comfort as part of the selling points, at least they are not like Evo VII-sitting in a safe-deposit box. The writer of that particular passage said that the harshness or bounciness of Evo VII is comparable to the last generation Honda Integra Type R. I personally wouldn't consider buying Evo VII after reading this paragraph because comfort is too important for me. GTR is too expensive for me too, and I don't like the look of STi, therefore, I wouldn't buy any of these three. Accord is still the best hahaha.

JLai

Skyline will cost alot...but it contains an iron block (compared to the iron sleeved counterparts found in the STI and Evo). It will have as much, if not more potential than the Supra TT due to a similiar block but AWD advantage. But as stated before, its going ot cost a butt load.

Totally different catagory than the STI and Evo. At low end they might be equal, but take them to the highway and see what happens.

There is no replacement for displacement. :P

haiduc

oh, you mean that GM doesnt manufacture the M3? damn


thanks for pointing that out.


i meant to say the jap import.

Water-S

I haven't test drove or even riden in a Lancer or WRX yet. but here's the problem I'm 6 ft 3 or 4 and 290 lbs. from what I've read the Skyline is the biggest(but I can't afford it)
then the WRX(which the looks is okay but the whole funky hood scoop is odd but that's alright)
then from what I've read the Lancer is the "little guy" which I've heard it's about the this of a Neon or Civic.
I'd REALLY wish Honda would come out with a AWD Accord V-6.(I'd be standing in line for that). cause for me the Accord not too big(something like a crown vic) but it's not too little(like a civic)
basically I want a car that has Plenty of power, good value(for the amount of power i'm getting),fits me nice,looks decent,(no domestic cars), and Handles great.
only 3 things i hate about the CL-S(not trying to be mean guys)
#1 I'm worried they might cut the line since sales are slipping on them
#2 weight(y'all got heavy cars)
#3 aftermarket parts prices(1200-1300 buck headers NO THANK YOU )

Water-S

guys YOU WON'T believe the aftermarket stuff offered for the WRX. a company called SPO motorsports offer stage 1-5 kits for the WRX(new ones) anyhow
with a WRX(no Sti) with the stage 1 and stage 2 on there they're claiming to 320 HP(can you imagine with the Sti package on there you'll be hitting 350 HP OUT OF A 4-BANGER .one word insane

O-Town_TypeS

I'm curious...where did you read about the Skyline coming to the US in 2004?

Zapata

Around car mags, websites etc., Everything i have heard indicates that it will be a v8 since the market doesn't really have a liking towards turboed 6's. JDM Skyline won't be able to use the I-6 because of emissions so it will be interesting to see what they put in for the Japaneese market. The new engine layout might hint at what nissan will bring to the U.S. The pricing will be around $50k.

Zapata

Water_S

Sorry man, everything i've seen says it will cost 50k. The styling is similar to the current r34. The shape is a bit more areodynamic. It looks hot

jts1207

doesnt the comptech s/c put the s2000 4 cylinder up to like 330hp

Johann

Don't forget the Volvo V70/S60 2.5Ltr 6 speed R AWD with 300 HP stock early next year.

Last test I saw between the Evo VII and the Subaru WRX the Evo was the better car.

Johann

Another of the new GTR

Black CL-S 4-Life

This is no contest, the GTR wins hands down.