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Old Dec 21, 2003 | 05:44 PM
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EiGhT blown 350Z motors on boost!

the death toll keeps rising. high compression engine+boost= kaboom. #8 is a G35C driven by a chick.

thread about it on my350z.com
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Old Dec 21, 2003 | 06:10 PM
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Old Dec 21, 2003 | 06:13 PM
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what's the compression ratio on the G and Z?
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Old Dec 21, 2003 | 06:33 PM
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Well, if they boost 8-10psi without proper engine management... it is STILL pushing it!
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Old Dec 21, 2003 | 06:37 PM
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Old Dec 21, 2003 | 07:00 PM
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Old Dec 21, 2003 | 07:01 PM
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Originally posted by Mike
what's the compression ratio on the G and Z?
Its between 10.1 and 10.2 to 1
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Old Dec 21, 2003 | 08:05 PM
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The CR for the G and Z are the same as my Maxima: 10.3:1. NOT a good CR for running boost. Even the Greddy 350Z is only running @ 5psi.
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Old Dec 21, 2003 | 08:07 PM
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Old Dec 21, 2003 | 08:11 PM
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Is that with the turbo?
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Old Dec 21, 2003 | 08:21 PM
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Are all these people running the car hard?
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Old Dec 21, 2003 | 08:25 PM
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OK, somebody join the 350 Z forum so we can find out .
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Old Dec 21, 2003 | 08:43 PM
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see if this works

http://kanes.homeip.net/my350z/
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Old Dec 21, 2003 | 08:46 PM
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you people crack me the fuck up. 8 blown **PROCHARGED** Z's. The ATI Procharger is the only FI application that's wasting multiple Z engines at the moment. IMHO, most of these failures could have been prevented with a J&S timing box or the likes of....which the procharger kit doesn't include.
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Old Dec 21, 2003 | 09:41 PM
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Originally posted by zeroday
you people crack me the fuck up. 8 blown **PROCHARGED** Z's. The ATI Procharger is the only FI application that's wasting multiple Z engines at the moment. IMHO, most of these failures could have been prevented with a J&S timing box or the likes of....which the procharger kit doesn't include.
well keep your fingers crossed. the twin turbo crowd is about to have a go.
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Old Dec 21, 2003 | 09:42 PM
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some people learn the hard way
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Old Dec 21, 2003 | 09:45 PM
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Originally posted by zeroday
you people crack me the fuck up. 8 blown **PROCHARGED** Z's. The ATI Procharger is the only FI application that's wasting multiple Z engines at the moment. IMHO, most of these failures could have been prevented with a J&S timing box or the likes of....which the procharger kit doesn't include.
you sound so confident on this board, but this is your quote taken from that thread:

"I own a crawford plenum and want to go FI at some point but this stuff is scary as hell.. "

............zeroday
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Old Dec 21, 2003 | 09:47 PM
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The VQ is a stout engine. The ATI procharger is the only FI application that has been having problems, but these problems come down to improper tuning. There are many threads on this very subject on the Z sites, and I won't rehash it here.

The VQ is a strong engine, but due to a fairly high compression ratio, it requires reasonable levels of boost and careful tuning. The same thing would happen to the CL's engine if you were trying to push 9+ PSI of boost with improper tuning.
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Old Dec 21, 2003 | 09:57 PM
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What kind of power do these VQ's put out at 5-6psi?
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Old Dec 21, 2003 | 10:02 PM
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The VQ is a strong engine, but due to a fairly high compression ratio, it requires reasonable levels of boost and careful tuning. The same thing would happen to the CL's engine if you were trying to push 9+ PSI of boost with improper tuning.
not all the motors were blown because of mods after the supercharger. Apparently 2 of these motors blew after proper tunning with ATI's numbers. read this thread:

ATI vice president speaks

in this thread ati's vice president tired to blame the customers for the debacle, and got this angry response:

"#1...This dude souds sooooo*F*'n cocky to me..Like "WE ARE THE SUPERCHARGING GODS!!!HEAR ME SPEAK!!"

#2...I get a kick how he uses The guy running 9lbs with timing control and different injectors, as a frigging sucess case for ATI..HELLO!!!this guy he speaks of is doing that because he was the first one to BLOW his *F*'n engine using their setup....

#3 please PM me I will give him another case of a STOCK Z , with a PROFESSIONALLY installed ATI kit, PROFESSIONALLY dyno tuned with 4 other ATI kits in CT las month, at an A/F RATIO of 12:6-1...Who blew his engine the next day...What will ATI excuse be then..BAD GAS??And this dude does NOT and DID NOT beat his car I was with him when it blew...

#4...If I were an ATI dealer/installer I would be pretty pissed that ATI is blaming them for all this...I wonder if you sent your car to ATI to do the install and tune and blew it who they would blame then???I suppose they blamed everyone but the bank that financed the car to you..."

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Old Dec 21, 2003 | 10:21 PM
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Originally posted by goat
you sound so confident on this board, but this is your quote taken from that thread:

"I own a crawford plenum and want to go FI at some point but this stuff is scary as hell.. "

............zeroday
what are you, stalking me? WTF??

ok newb with your 22 whopping posts I guess you know my demeanor on this board. you made a sweeping generalization about z's blowing up because of FI and FAILED to mention these failures are ALL on z's with prochargers:

Originally posted by goat
the death toll keeps rising. high compression engine+boost= kaboom. #8 is a G35C driven by a chick.

thread about it on my350z.com
This first post insinuated that Z's can't handle FI. That conclusion was based on procharged Z's failing. Does that mean all FI implementations are going to blow up the VQ? NO.


regardless of all this, YES, adding FI to a car I paid nearly 40k for last year is FUCKING SCARY.

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Old Dec 21, 2003 | 10:38 PM
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Originally posted by cusdaddy
The same thing would happen to the CL's engine if you were trying to push 9+ PSI of boost with improper tuning.
um,....yes! this would be tru for most all motors!
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Old Dec 21, 2003 | 10:47 PM
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What sort of engine management is supplied with this ATI kit?
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Old Dec 21, 2003 | 10:53 PM
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Originally posted by zeroday
a car I paid nearly 40k for...

holy batman!
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Old Dec 21, 2003 | 10:55 PM
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Originally posted by zeroday
This first post insinuated that Z's can't handle FI.
I did not read that much into it.


That conclusion was based on procharged Z's failing. Does that mean all FI implementations are going to blow up the VQ? NO.
Yes, if they are not tuned right.


regardless of all this, YES, adding FI to a car I paid nearly 40k for last year is FUCKING SCARY.
Especially when the only kit is not set up correctly!
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Old Dec 21, 2003 | 11:00 PM
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Originally posted by zeroday
you people crack me the fuck up. 8 blown **PROCHARGED** Z's. The ATI Procharger is the only FI application that's wasting multiple Z engines at the moment. IMHO, most of these failures could have been prevented with a J&S timing box or the likes of....which the procharger kit doesn't include.

FI 350z engines blown: 8
FI CLS engines blown: 0


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Old Dec 21, 2003 | 11:01 PM
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that's because j > vq.
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Old Dec 21, 2003 | 11:05 PM
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Originally posted by Zapata
FI 350z engines blown: 8
FI CLS engines blown: 0



:flamer:


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Old Dec 21, 2003 | 11:05 PM
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that's because j > vq.
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Old Dec 21, 2003 | 11:05 PM
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I did not read that much into it.




Yes, if they are not tuned right.




Especially when the only kit is not set up correctly!
well i did read that much into it. read it again?

..yes if they are tuned right? of course an improperly tuned sc/tc will blow an engine. that wasn't my point. obviously.

you guys also need to read up at my350z.com. this has all been hashed and rehashed there. the procharger is causing trouble on cars that have been tuned by veteran mechanics who have had years of experience with FI...this is NOT just a A/F tuning issue thats caused by inexperienced installers, and no one has proven the Z can't handle FI. IMHO of course.
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Old Dec 21, 2003 | 11:07 PM
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that's because j > vq.
and because

acura>nissan










oh shit look at what i started
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Old Dec 21, 2003 | 11:08 PM
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Originally posted by Zapata
FI 350z engines blown: 8
FI CLS engines blown: 0


until comptech makes a supercharger for the Z you are comparing apples and oranges. this includes the home made t/c 'thatguy' has.


you guys are a bunch of damn haters.


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Old Dec 21, 2003 | 11:10 PM
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Originally posted by Zapata
FI 350z engines blown: 8
FI CLS engines blown: 0


Let's see a CLS SC push 8-9+ PSI and then we'll talk
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Old Dec 21, 2003 | 11:11 PM
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Originally posted by mattg
that's because j > vq.
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Old Dec 21, 2003 | 11:11 PM
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Originally posted by Zapata
FI 350z engines blown: 8
FI CLS engines blown: 0


How about let's compare:

Stock 350z trannies blown

to

Stock CLS trannies blown

Sorry, but I had to.... Just FYI, this was in reference to Darrinb's Acura > Nissan comment, not a bash on Acura.
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Old Dec 21, 2003 | 11:12 PM
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Originally posted by zeroday
well i did read that much into it. read it again?

..yes if they are tuned right? of course an improperly tuned sc/tc will blow an engine. that wasn't my point. obviously.

you guys also need to read up at my350z.com. this has all been hashed and rehashed there. the procharger is causing trouble on cars that have been tuned by veteran mechanics who have had years of experience with FI...this is NOT just a A/F tuning issue IMHO.
I'm too lazy to register and re-read,

.....I just want to know, WHAT does ATI supply for engine management? ......then blame can be reasessed
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Old Dec 21, 2003 | 11:12 PM
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Originally posted by zeroday
you guys are a bunch of damn haters.
come now, play nice!
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Old Dec 21, 2003 | 11:14 PM
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Originally posted by cusdaddy
Let's see a CLS SC push 8-9+ PSI and then we'll talk
dude there are 3 guys with comptech superchargers on their 6th gen accords running 13 second et's with 8-9 PSI. think before you say something stupid.
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Old Dec 21, 2003 | 11:16 PM
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dude there are 3 guys with comptech superchargers on their 6th gen accords running 13 second et's with 8-9 PSI. think before you say something stupid.
a 6th gen accord is not a CLS smart guy. maybe you should rethink posting on this site. and please don't start with the similar engine crap. its not the same period.
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Old Dec 21, 2003 | 11:17 PM
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Originally posted by cusdaddy
Let's see a CLS SC push 8-9+ PSI and then we'll talk
I'm there now! 20k miles at 7.5-8 psi, 5AT! :P


NOW, WTF DOES ATI SUPPLY FOR ENGINE MANAGEMENT IN THEIR KITS? I'm trying to help you guys here, help me out!
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