Does anyone drive manual anymore?
02-26-2009, 01:09 PM
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It's pretty easy to learn manual transmission I would say. Driving it correctly like SouthernBoy is what is hard. In a few hours, I was able to teach the basics to a friend; as in how to smoothly take-off etc. If you're a car enthusiast, it's a must in my opinion.
02-26-2009, 02:06 PM
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ehhh I always thought double clutching was when you:
depress clutch
shift into neutral gate
let off clutch
blip throttle
depress clutch again
shift into lower gear
^everything except the bolded.... I always rev match when I double clutch though. And I only do it 2-1, and sometimes in 3-2. I usually depress the clutch before I blip the throttle though.... does it matter?
depress clutch
shift into neutral gate
let off clutch
blip throttle
depress clutch again
shift into lower gear
^everything except the bolded.... I always rev match when I double clutch though. And I only do it 2-1, and sometimes in 3-2. I usually depress the clutch before I blip the throttle though.... does it matter?
02-26-2009, 02:27 PM
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02-26-2009, 02:48 PM
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I just don't understand the point of MT any more. Why make a car more work than it needs to be? I can understand on a track car but on an every day commuter car? In the old days there was the logic behind getting better miles per gallon and it being more efficient however both of those points are mute with modern systems.
Time to bring back the rotary phone, dials on TVs, and manual typewriters while we are at it. No not for the sake of them being any better, just for the sake of saying you do it.
Time to bring back the rotary phone, dials on TVs, and manual typewriters while we are at it. No not for the sake of them being any better, just for the sake of saying you do it.
Its far more involving, makes you a more attentive drive and quite frankly its more fun.
I have both manuals and automatics, each serves a purpose.
02-26-2009, 03:41 PM
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Foot off clutch while blipping throttle in neutral 
My tsx first gear synchro is trashed, the car is designed not to downshift w/o double clutch above something like 5 mph, and I think me and other people forced the issue...
I'm double clutching all the time on 2-1 and 3-2. Mostly on the 3-2 you are standing on the brakes anyway, so you got plenty of time to set up the car and gearbox.
My tsx first gear synchro is trashed, the car is designed not to downshift w/o double clutch above something like 5 mph, and I think me and other people forced the issue...
I'm double clutching all the time on 2-1 and 3-2. Mostly on the 3-2 you are standing on the brakes anyway, so you got plenty of time to set up the car and gearbox.
02-26-2009, 03:45 PM
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ehhh I always thought double clutching was when you:
depress clutch
shift into neutral gate
let off clutch
blip throttle
depress clutch again
shift into lower gear
^everything except the bolded.... I always rev match when I double clutch though. And I only do it 2-1, and sometimes in 3-2. I usually depress the clutch before I blip the throttle though.... does it matter?
depress clutch
shift into neutral gate
let off clutch
blip throttle
depress clutch again
shift into lower gear
^everything except the bolded.... I always rev match when I double clutch though. And I only do it 2-1, and sometimes in 3-2. I usually depress the clutch before I blip the throttle though.... does it matter?
But yes, you have the correct idea.
02-26-2009, 03:47 PM
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02-26-2009, 03:47 PM
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Yes you can downshift into 1st gear. The same method applies. The only difference is that you are going into a much lower gear with most transmissions, so you don't want to do this much past 5 or 6 MPH and you will need to raise engine speed more on the "blip" for a smooth match and insertion.
02-26-2009, 03:54 PM
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I guess I'm spoiled by the G, I can start the car in 2nd and stay in 2nd even in crawling traffic as long as I'm rolling with no bogging... only time I'm in first is if I'm completely stopped
02-26-2009, 03:59 PM
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For you MT'ers and hope-to-be MT'ers, and AT'ers who may just like to know, here is something I imagine most people do not know about manual transmissions.
We commonly use the term "shifting gears" or terms very similar, but do you know that this is a misnomer? When you shift from one gear to the next, be it an upshift or a downshift, you are not really shifting any gears at all. None of the gears in your gearbox move.. none of them make contact with any other gear(s) because of your shift. You are NOT shifting gears.
Our transmissions, as well as just about every manual transmission, is what's called a "constant mesh" transmission. This means that the gears are fixed in their positions, meshing with other gears and never to be moved. What you ARE doing when you shift from one gear to another is moving a collar which rides on a splined shaft into a matching hub which is part of the chosen gear. This collar has teeth which are parallel to the shaft, called dog teeth, which are inserted into matching, or receiving, slots in the hub. This is how power is transmitted from the engine, through the transmission, and utlimately to the drive wheels. And also how the difference gears are selected to transmit this engine power (torque).
So the next time someone talks to you about shifting gears, just tell them there ain't no such thing.
We commonly use the term "shifting gears" or terms very similar, but do you know that this is a misnomer? When you shift from one gear to the next, be it an upshift or a downshift, you are not really shifting any gears at all. None of the gears in your gearbox move.. none of them make contact with any other gear(s) because of your shift. You are NOT shifting gears.
Our transmissions, as well as just about every manual transmission, is what's called a "constant mesh" transmission. This means that the gears are fixed in their positions, meshing with other gears and never to be moved. What you ARE doing when you shift from one gear to another is moving a collar which rides on a splined shaft into a matching hub which is part of the chosen gear. This collar has teeth which are parallel to the shaft, called dog teeth, which are inserted into matching, or receiving, slots in the hub. This is how power is transmitted from the engine, through the transmission, and utlimately to the drive wheels. And also how the difference gears are selected to transmit this engine power (torque).
So the next time someone talks to you about shifting gears, just tell them there ain't no such thing.
02-26-2009, 04:00 PM
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If you're completely stopped and staying stopped, you should not be in 1st gear.. you should be in neutral with your foot off of the clutch pedal.
02-26-2009, 04:09 PM
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02-26-2009, 07:13 PM
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Hey SB. How are you?
I've been driving a manual so long I rarely use the clutch anymore except for starting out and coming to a complete stop. Something I don't recommend without a lot of practice. There is something so wonderfully satisfying with a proper up/downshift.
Terry
I've been driving a manual so long I rarely use the clutch anymore except for starting out and coming to a complete stop. Something I don't recommend without a lot of practice. There is something so wonderfully satisfying with a proper up/downshift.
Terry
02-26-2009, 07:17 PM
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02-26-2009, 07:35 PM
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I been rear-ended so many times that history proves being stopped is the most dangerous condition for me 
You bet it is in first gear at a stoplight and stuff. Sometimes, you can avoid the rear-ending, sometimes not...
I've been describing difficult congested driving, and it is mostly like a car race/demolition derby. Anybody does anything out of the ordinary, accident.
You bet it is in first gear at a stoplight and stuff. Sometimes, you can avoid the rear-ending, sometimes not...
I've been describing difficult congested driving, and it is mostly like a car race/demolition derby. Anybody does anything out of the ordinary, accident.
02-26-2009, 07:38 PM
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Oh absolutely, just saying when possible put it in neutral.
02-26-2009, 07:56 PM
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Maybe it has more to do with where you hang out... but seriously, I've never been rear ended, neither have most people, so it's hard for me to believe that it has happened to anyone many times unless you're frequently driving through the parking lot of the retard driver institute.
02-26-2009, 08:40 PM
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Maybe it has more to do with where you hang out... but seriously, I've never been rear ended, neither have most people, so it's hard for me to believe that it has happened to anyone many times unless you're frequently driving through the parking lot of the retard driver institute.
A neighbor jogs maybe five miles a day, and he has been hit by cars many times, mostly drivers not stopping at stop signs.
02-26-2009, 09:30 PM
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I actually had a few people in my car that after a few minutes realized I was driving manual but didn't notice it in the way I was driving...it's that smooth...
02-26-2009, 10:01 PM
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Depends on the gearing of course.
My Prelude has very short gears so downshifting to 1st is almost never a good idea in almost any situation.
02-26-2009, 11:22 PM
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Don't mind me, just talking about tsx, a strange car that should not make 60 mph in second gear, and has a huge 1-2 gap. Thrilling 2-1 downshifts above 10 mph are required, and there is a lockout above about 5 mph that requires double-clutch to defeat.
The civic si requires third gear to 60 mph, and that is how the tsx should be.
The civic si requires third gear to 60 mph, and that is how the tsx should be.
02-27-2009, 01:09 AM
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I can DCHT (double clutch heel toe) smoothly into any gear except 1st. My car also has subpar pedal placement IMO, it was quite a bit easier to DCHT perfectly in my Integra. I guess I don't practice that gear enough.... I usually only do it when I'm slowing down in traffic. When I'm driving hard however, its much smoother, though occasionally there's a slight jerk going into 1st, usually when I downshift into 1st at around 10-15 mph. It just feels kinda limp under 15 mph in 2nd. It's probably better to just keep it in 2nd but I still like to feel the torque
oh and for those of you actually interested in a forum actually about driving manuals, standardshift.com gets a
from me
02-27-2009, 01:11 AM
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In 5-10 years, you might have to import a manual from Europe that way things are going. My local Honda dealers says in the whole state of WA there are only 2 V6 6 speeds. I truly believe the Japanese makers will can V6 manuals in a brief amount of time when the pretty much no one but us car nuts want its. Even the young guys at work arent into manuals.
02-27-2009, 01:33 AM
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Don't mind me, just talking about tsx, a strange car that should not make 60 mph in second gear, and has a huge 1-2 gap. Thrilling 2-1 downshifts above 10 mph are required, and there is a lockout above about 5 mph that requires double-clutch to defeat.
The civic si requires third gear to 60 mph, and that is how the tsx should be.
The civic si requires third gear to 60 mph, and that is how the tsx should be.
The K24 and K20 are quite different behavior wise and the TSX and Civic Si are also quite different. Requiring 3rd gear to 60, I can see that justified in a Civic Si or an STi.... but not a TSX. Gear ratio spacing is something that should be left to the engineers, they have their reasons for it....
The C6 Z06 can reach 60 mph in 1st gear.... drive one, hell just sit along for the ride. It does fine with the super tall 1st gear
02-27-2009, 06:32 AM
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Hey SB. How are you?
I've been driving a manual so long I rarely use the clutch anymore except for starting out and coming to a complete stop. Something I don't recommend without a lot of practice. There is something so wonderfully satisfying with a proper up/downshift.
Terry
I've been driving a manual so long I rarely use the clutch anymore except for starting out and coming to a complete stop. Something I don't recommend without a lot of practice. There is something so wonderfully satisfying with a proper up/downshift.
Terry
Careful. You don't want people to start trying to shift without using the clutch. You're have then dropping gearcases all over the place (heh, heh).
02-27-2009, 06:50 AM
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Yep. Reduces wear on the release bearing.
Here's another tip for you MT'ers. When you are stopped at a light and then the light turns yellow for the other side, before just shifting to 1st gear, start your shift into 2nd or 3rd gear first, then shift into 1st gear. This is easier on the synchronizers and makes your shift into first smoother.
Here's another tip for you MT'ers. When you are stopped at a light and then the light turns yellow for the other side, before just shifting to 1st gear, start your shift into 2nd or 3rd gear first, then shift into 1st gear. This is easier on the synchronizers and makes your shift into first smoother.
02-27-2009, 12:18 PM
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02-27-2009, 12:20 PM
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Just bought my first car with Manual transmission..... I had no idea what I was missing all these years! I can't imagine why anyone who knows how to drive a manual would buy a car with auto unless they do mostly city stop and go driving. Shifting really makes driving fun again!
02-27-2009, 12:32 PM
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The K24 and K20 are quite different behavior wise and the TSX and Civic Si are also quite different. Requiring 3rd gear to 60, I can see that justified in a Civic Si or an STi.... but not a TSX. Gear ratio spacing is something that should be left to the engineers, they have their reasons for it....
The C6 Z06 can reach 60 mph in 1st gear.... drive one, hell just sit along for the ride. It does fine with the super tall 1st gear
02-27-2009, 12:56 PM
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The 1G TSX gearing was much less pleasent than the 2G TSX. In the 1G 1st and 2nd felt rather dead, all the fun was in 3rd and 4th while 5th and 6th were hard to tell apart. The 2G by contrast feels more linear through the gears. 1st and 2nd don't feel anemic like they used to. 5th and 6th still seem awfully close though. I think the slight increase in torque with the 2G made more convenient gearing possible.
02-27-2009, 03:48 PM
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Just bought my first car with Manual transmission..... I had no idea what I was missing all these years! I can't imagine why anyone who knows how to drive a manual would buy a car with auto unless they do mostly city stop and go driving. Shifting really makes driving fun again!