Dodge Charger - not bad at all
07-03-2005, 03:18 AM
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Originally Posted by fast-tl
Your quote was:
"For the (lack of) interior goodies, I couldn't justify it."
To which I replied that it doesn't LACK interior goodies, practically all of the TL's equipment IS, in fact, available on the Charger. The Cahrger does not lack the interior goodies. Perhaps you meant to make a different point, and that is that for the price, you'd still rather have the TL. I was simply responding you what you actually typed, which was that the Charger lacked, was missing, did not have, the TL's interior goodnies, which is simply untrue. No offense intended, just trying to keep the facts straight.
"For the (lack of) interior goodies, I couldn't justify it."
To which I replied that it doesn't LACK interior goodies, practically all of the TL's equipment IS, in fact, available on the Charger. The Cahrger does not lack the interior goodies. Perhaps you meant to make a different point, and that is that for the price, you'd still rather have the TL. I was simply responding you what you actually typed, which was that the Charger lacked, was missing, did not have, the TL's interior goodnies, which is simply untrue. No offense intended, just trying to keep the facts straight.
07-03-2005, 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by youngTL
I'm sorry. I should have been much more clear. The way I said it sounds like it describes accessories. What I really meant to say is that the interior (in my opinion) lacks the unified feel/ergonomics and overall materials quality and ambiance of the TL. (ie: it doesn't FEEL like a luxury car...which would mean I'm paying luxury prices to sit in an interior that feels just a bit better than my mom's 1994 Intrepid ES). And this is all my own personal opinion. For some people, the extra horsepower is worth the money.
07-03-2005, 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by fast-tl
Any facts you'd like to use to back up that claim, sir? I didn't know that the Mercedes transmission was a redneck piece, nor the Benz E-Class derived suspension, nevermind the fact the DaimlerChrysler is a German company. Perhaps you overlooked these things.
07-03-2005, 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by fast-tl
Thanks for clarifying. Now we're on teh same page, as this is a dilemma for me. I'd trade some interior niceness for 340hp, but I'd have to compare performance stats, not just numbers. 4000lbs and 340hp may perform at the same level as 3300lb and 270hp. Who knows, but I'd really like to go back to RWD, since Dallas sees no snow.
I agree about the power to weight ratio kinda thing. A perfect example is the Accord 6spd coupe and the mitsu Eclipse 6spd coupe. The Accord is 3285lbs but only 240hp/212lb-ft torque whereas the Eclipse is 3560lbs and 262hp/260lb-ft torque, yet car and driver got similar (nearly identical, in fact the accord was a 0.1s faster to 60) performance numbers. But I digress. Obviously RWD is better for you because of where you live. Here it's stupid to even think of owning a RWD car since we have snow 6 months a year!
07-04-2005, 12:15 AM
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Originally Posted by youngTL
Here it's stupid to even think of owning a RWD car since we have snow 6 months a year!
i dont think its stupid. get a set of good snow tires and you can drive any rwd car in the snow. my gf lived in denver (tons of snow) for many years and she drove a is300. never got stuck in the snow once.
07-04-2005, 12:18 AM
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IMHO, the Charger is a visual disaster...It looks like shit, plain and simple. I'd prefer the Magnum R/T or the 300C over it any day. The worst thing DC did was turn a 2 door icon into an ugly 4 door. It's great and all that it's got great fuel mileage, but EPA #'s don't mean shit to me. 17/25 for the Hemi? Drive one in your normal conditions, I guarantee that you'll barely brake 10mpg on it. My VQ Infiniti G35 is supposed to get decent mileage, but I only average 11mpg from the V6 in city driving. Heck, my Scion, which should be getting 30/35 mpg is barely getting 20mpg in mostly city driving. EPA estimates are bullshit.
07-04-2005, 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Shoofin
It's great and all that it's got great fuel mileage, but EPA #'s don't mean shit to me. 17/25 for the Hemi? Drive one in your normal conditions, I guarantee that you'll barely brake 10mpg on it. My VQ Infiniti G35 is supposed to get decent mileage, but I only average 11mpg from the V6 in city driving. Heck, my Scion, which should be getting 30/35 mpg is barely getting 20mpg in mostly city driving. EPA estimates are bullshit.
07-04-2005, 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Infamous425
i dont think its stupid. get a set of good snow tires and you can drive any rwd car in the snow. my gf lived in denver (tons of snow) for many years and she drove a is300. never got stuck in the snow once.
So you're trying to tell me that Denver has worse winters than Edmonton? Don't make me laugh. Even a decent set of winter tires will not save you here when the temperature drops to -40C and the rubber becomes so hard that it barely makes a difference. Also if you go around a corner and stab the accelerator even a LITTLE bit too hard, the ice (yes, there's ice on the roads in the winter, and it gets to about the thickness of a human hand all over), and your rear wheels break loose and you do a 180. Trust me, I know a friend with a 240sx with winter tires (blizzaks), and it's almost no help. At least with FWD you don't lose control as easy. Here, by the end of October when it starts snowing, until late April/early May when all the snow has melted, people put away their BMW's, G35's, and 300's. I hardly see any at all during those times. Anyway, I'm not about to turn this into a pissing match.
What I really wanted to say was that the Charger is more appropriate for people who live in different regions.
07-04-2005, 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by youngTL
. Here, by the end of October when it starts snowing, until late April/early May when all the snow has melted, people put away their BMW's, G35's, and 300's. I hardly see any at all during those times.
My G35x is a 4 season car....I hope you're talking about the coupes....also keep an eye out for BMW, you will start seeing more on the road with the introduction of the 525xi and 530xi, in addition to the 325xi, 330xi, x3 and x5.
What I really wanted to say was that the Charger is more appropriate for people who live in different regions.
07-04-2005, 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by youngTL
So you're trying to tell me that Denver has worse winters than Edmonton? Don't make me laugh. Even a decent set of winter tires will not save you here when the temperature drops to -40C and the rubber becomes so hard that it barely makes a difference. Also if you go around a corner and stab the accelerator even a LITTLE bit too hard, the ice (yes, there's ice on the roads in the winter, and it gets to about the thickness of a human hand all over), and your rear wheels break loose and you do a 180. Trust me, I know a friend with a 240sx with winter tires (blizzaks), and it's almost no help. At least with FWD you don't lose control as easy. Here, by the end of October when it starts snowing, until late April/early May when all the snow has melted, people put away their BMW's, G35's, and 300's. I hardly see any at all during those times. Anyway, I'm not about to turn this into a pissing match.
What I really wanted to say was that the Charger is more appropriate for people who live in different regions.
07-04-2005, 10:07 PM
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I went to Naples for the weekend and I saw like 6 after seeing only 1 in south FL. Mostly red and white ones. Poor dude in a white one was getting a ticket on Alligator Alley. They look 
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to me.
07-05-2005, 02:50 AM
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Originally Posted by SpeedyV6
The 300 & Magnum come in AWD. I'm sure the Charger will too.
08-16-2005, 01:50 AM
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Originally Posted by SpeedyV6
The 300 & Magnum come in AWD. I'm sure the Charger will too.
08-16-2005, 01:54 AM
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New Charger is Hot...but ITS SUPER HOT in the SRT8 form.
Magnum RT and SRT8 are also VERY hot....my only dislike is the lack of stick option.
Magnum RT and SRT8 are also VERY hot....my only dislike is the lack of stick option.
08-16-2005, 07:52 AM
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Go to www.dodge.com and you'll see a black SRT-8 version. Very sexy. 
08-16-2005, 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by The Sarlacc
New Charger is Hot...but ITS SUPER HOT in the SRT8 form.
Magnum RT and SRT8 are also VERY hot....my only dislike is the lack of stick option.
Magnum RT and SRT8 are also VERY hot....my only dislike is the lack of stick option.
08-16-2005, 09:16 PM
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I actually looked an R/T over today in a dealer showroom.
Loved the Hemi power/gas mileage technology, runs on 4 cyl down the highway. Loved the HUGE ass trunk and rear fold-downs...awesome. Interior was spot-on and the dash was great. Leather was of high-quality also.
Only thing I didn't like was that it's a Dodge...maybe these new vehicles will help to change my perception of this domestic brand.
Loved the Hemi power/gas mileage technology, runs on 4 cyl down the highway. Loved the HUGE ass trunk and rear fold-downs...awesome. Interior was spot-on and the dash was great. Leather was of high-quality also.
Only thing I didn't like was that it's a Dodge...maybe these new vehicles will help to change my perception of this domestic brand.
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