Death-proof cars? Study finds nine models with zero driver fatalities

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Old Jan 30, 2015 | 07:41 AM
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Death-proof cars? Study finds nine models with zero driver fatalities

Still amazes me how safe vehicles have become

https://autos.yahoo.com/blogs/motora...190624666.html

More than 30,000 people a year still die on American roads, and while that toll has been steadily declining for a decade, it still represents a massive, unending tragedy. Around the world, those figures are climbing, as more people spend more time behind the wheel. Nothing drives advocates of tech such as driverless cars like the potential for sharply reducing the cost in human lives of driving.

Today came a piece of good news in that fight: We are closer than we thought to cars that could prevent all their drivers from dying in a wreck. The bad news? There's still decades of work ahead.

The Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, the research arm of the nation's auto insurance companies, studied driver deaths between 2009 and 2012 for mass-market vehicles. (It did not examine passenger deaths due to unreliable data.) Overall, it found that new models with newer technology, especially stability control, had cut the overall death rate in vehicles by a third in the three years since it had last run the numbers. Had vehicle tech been frozen at 1985 levels, the IIHS estimates by 2012 an additional 7,700 people would have died in crashes.

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Deaths per million registered vehicle years
Multi-vehicle crashes Single-vehicle crashes Rollovers
Audi A4 4WD 0 0 0 0
Honda Odyssey 0 0 0 0
Kia Sorento 2WD 0 0 0 0
Lexus RX 350 4WD 0 0 0 0
Mercedes-Benz GL-Class 4WD 0 0 0 0
Subaru Legacy 4WD 0 0 0 0
Toyota Highlander hybrid 4WD 0 0 0 0
Toyota Sequoia 4WD 0 0 0 0
Volvo XC90 4WD 0 0 0 0
Honda Pilot 4WD 2 0 2 0
Mercedes-Benz M-Class 4WD 3 3 0 0
Ford Crown Victoria 4 4 0 0
GMC Yukon 4WD 4 0 4 0
Acura TL 2WD 5 5 0 0
Chevrolet Equinox 2WD 5 3 2 0
Chevrolet Equinox 4WD 5 5 0 0
Ford Expedition 4WD 5 5 0 0
Ford Flex 2WD 5 0 5 0
Mazda CX-9 4WD 5 0 5 5
The IIHS calculates its death rate per years registered of a particular model; the industry average is 28 deaths per one million registered years for 2011 models in 2012; in 2008, the rate was 48. When it dug deeper, the IIHS found nine 2011 models that had no recorded deaths of drivers — the first time the group had found any such vehicles. Six of them were SUVs; overall, SUVs had the lowest death rates of any vehicle type, mostly due to the mandate of electronic stability controls and the physics of larger vehicles offering more protection from the forces of a crash than smaller ones. (Compared to 2004 models, SUVs from the 2011 model-year on have a rollover rate that's 75 percent less.)

But the IIHS also gave out a warning that the gap betwen the best and the worst cars at preventing fatal crashes had widened. The rates in the IIHS study are corrected for demographics (young drivers who typically buy smaller vehicles tend to crash more frequently) but even after that adjustment, small cars dominate the most lethal list:

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Deaths per million registered vehicle years
Multi-vehicle crashes Single-vehicle crashes Rollovers
Kia Rio 149 96 54 15
Nissan Versa sedan 130 44 87 51
Hyundai Accent 120 65 53 16
Chevrolet Aveo 99 65 31 10
Hyundai Accent 86 43 48 20
Chevrolet Camaro coupe 80 19 60 25
Chevrolet Silverado 1500 Crew 4WD 79 40 36 17
Honda Civic 76 46 29 10
Nissan Versa hatchback 71 37 33 20
Ford Focus 70 55 13 5
Nissan Cube 66 38 29 6
Chevrolet HHR 61 34 25 9
Chevrolet Suburban 1500 2WD 60 31 28 9
Chevrolet Aveo 58 58 0 0
Mercury Grand Marquis 57 33 25 0
Jeep Patriot 2WD 57 44 9 3
Mazda 6 54 34 17 3
Dodge Nitro 2WD 51 7 50 40
Honda Civic 49 28 21 8
"The complete elimination of traffic deaths is still many decades away, and, along with vehicle improvements, getting there will require changes in road design and public policy that can help protect all road users," said David Zuby, IIHS executive vice president and chief research officer. "Still, the rise in the number of vehicles with zero driver deaths shows what's possible."

The newest vehicles have gone well beyond stability control to include tricks like automatic emergency braking and radar-based cruise control to slow down the vehicle automatically in traffic. The safety benefits of those technologies have not yet been fully measured, but their real benefit may not become visible until they're available outside luxury models — especially the small cars that still pose the greatest risk.
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Old Jan 30, 2015 | 08:16 AM
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Very interesting.
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Old Jan 30, 2015 | 09:25 AM
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Imagine what the new B9 A4 is going to be able to do with small overlap, etc. Right now the A4 is a safe car but it's nine years old in engineering terms.
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Old Jan 30, 2015 | 10:26 AM
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XLR8R's advice to elderly drivers: debadge your Mercury Grand Marquis and stick Ford Crown Victoria badges on it.

You will have fewer crashes and live longer.
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Old Jan 30, 2015 | 10:51 AM
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All I know is I didn't die in my Mazda 3 crash, that's enough for me.

I wonder if this is partly due to how the owners drive?

Audi A4 4WD - Sedan
Honda Odyssey - Full size Minivan
Kia Sorento 2WD - Crossover SUV
Lexus RX 350 4WD - Full size SUV
Mercedes-Benz GL-Class 4WD - Ginormous SUV
Subaru Legacy 4WD - Wagon
Toyota Highlander hybrid 4WD - Full size SUV
Toyota Sequoia 4WD - Ginormous SUV
Volvo XC90 4WD - Full size SUV

I'm not particularly surprised large SUV's faired well, but the other thing is they're all the ones the cliche suburban soccer mom drives. In my parent's neighborhood I see a *shit* ton of all those SUV's and Odysseys. Driving habits have to play into this.
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Old Jan 30, 2015 | 11:36 AM
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Muffin guy, the survey said Subaru Legacy 4wd. That was a sedan only during the years listed (2009-2012). Owning one of these fine cars, my specB is anything but a soccer mom car.

Now my XC90 on the other hand
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Old Jan 30, 2015 | 11:47 AM
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Interesting article, but demographic of vehicle driver and type of vehicle definitely play into this. Would be interesting to x-ref this with # of accidents total per vehicle. Are there simply fewer accidents in these vehicles or..................
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Old Jan 30, 2015 | 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by charliemike
Imagine what the new B9 A4 is going to be able to do with small overlap, etc. Right now the A4 is a safe car but it's nine years old in engineering terms.
I read somewhere that it didn't fare too well in the small overlap.
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Old Feb 3, 2015 | 12:16 PM
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Acura TL 2WD is so safe BC "OMG'z SH-AWD, SUPER SPORTS SEDAN, RACECAR, RIDES ON RAILS, WATCH THIS ONRAMP, LOLZ"....CRASH
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Old Feb 3, 2015 | 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Booya4139
Acura TL 2WD is so safe BC "OMG'z SH-AWD, SUPER SPORTS SEDAN, RACECAR, RIDES ON RAILS, WATCH THIS ONRAMP, LOLZ"....CRASH


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Old Feb 4, 2015 | 09:56 AM
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Three year time period? Pfffft.
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Old Feb 4, 2015 | 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by NBP04TL4ME


My point is the best piece of safety equipment in a car is the operator. There is absolutely nothing from a safety perspective different between the FWD and SHAWD models of the TL. The 4WD would probably be considered a safety enhancement all other things equal. But I imagine those who buy the FWD are less likely to drive recklessly.
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Old Feb 4, 2015 | 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Booya4139
My point is the best piece of safety equipment in a car is the operator. There is absolutely nothing from a safety perspective different between the FWD and SHAWD models of the TL. The 4WD would probably be considered a safety enhancement all other things equal. But I imagine those who buy the FWD are less likely to drive recklessly.
And you base all of this upon what exactly?
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Originally Posted by Booya4139
My point is the best piece of safety equipment in a car is the operator. There is absolutely nothing from a safety perspective different between the FWD and SHAWD models of the TL. The 4WD would probably be considered a safety enhancement all other things equal. But I imagine those who buy the FWD are less likely to drive recklessly.
My point was that your point was absolutely lost in your first post. And I agree with Ken. How or where do you draw your conclusion from?
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Old Feb 4, 2015 | 08:06 PM
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Subaru Legacy 4WD 0 0 0 0

that's how I like to roll... Outback effectively became it's own moniker in 2008 when the Sedan was discontinued in the USA.

Funny thing is that when I registered my Legacy Sedan with Subaru, they classified it as an outback model despite it clearly being a Legacy L Special Edition.

I think that the list is not entirely accurate as it does not take into account the drivers of said cars. IMHO most people who own things like a legacy are not going to drive them as aggressively as they would say a CL type S. I generally drive all my cars the same but I do like to get on it once in a while in the CL-S and as such, I know I have altered my driving habits in that car in order to have a little fun.

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Old Feb 4, 2015 | 09:23 PM
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And this is exactly why it costs less to insure a $61k Honda than it does a $17k Honda.
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Old Feb 5, 2015 | 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Ken1997TL
And you base all of this upon what exactly?
Extremely basic logic. Its either driver error or random chance as the why the FWD TL is on the safety list and the AWD isn't considering AWD in an of itself should be considered a safety feature
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Old Feb 5, 2015 | 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by YeuEmMaiMai
Subaru Legacy 4WD 0 0 0 0

that's how I like to roll... Outback effectively became it's own moniker in 2008 when the Sedan was discontinued in the USA.

Funny thing is that when I registered my Legacy Sedan with Subaru, they classified it as an outback model despite it clearly being a Legacy L Special Edition.

I think that the list is not entirely accurate as it does not take into account the drivers of said cars. IMHO most people who own things like a legacy are not going to drive them as aggressively as they would say a CL type S. I generally drive all my cars the same but I do like to get on it once in a while in the CL-S and as such, I know I have altered my driving habits in that car in order to have a little fun.
This guy gets it
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Old Feb 5, 2015 | 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by NBP04TL4ME
My point was that your point was absolutely lost in your first post.
ok
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Originally Posted by YeuEmMaiMai
I think that the list is not entirely accurate as it does not take into account the drivers of said cars. IMHO most people who own things like a legacy are not going to drive them as aggressively as they would say a CL type S. I generally drive all my cars the same but I do like to get on it once in a while in the CL-S and as such, I know I have altered my driving habits in that car in order to have a little fun.
This was part of my point above when I mentioned demographic of vehicle driver and type of vehicle
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Old Feb 5, 2015 | 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Booya4139
Extremely basic logic. Its either driver error or random chance as the why the FWD TL is on the safety list and the AWD isn't considering AWD in an of itself should be considered a safety feature
Likely the sales numbers of the AWD model weren't enough to be statistically relevant.
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Old Feb 5, 2015 | 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Ken1997TL
Likely the sales numbers of the AWD model weren't enough to be statistically relevant.
Then why differentiate and note 2WD if the other trim isn't statistically relevant?
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Old Feb 6, 2015 | 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Booya4139
Then why differentiate and note 2WD if the other trim isn't statistically relevant?
Because FWD sold in enough numbers to be relevant.
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Old Feb 6, 2015 | 08:01 PM
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The list is interesting because it rates accidents by type of car but does not give a breakdown of the age range of the drivers involved in accidents. take one of the worsts car on that list (yes I know the Hyundai are far worse but this is to illustrate a point)

Honda Civic 49 28 21 8

Of those crash numbers it would be interesting to see what the age demographic is and also if there were any other external factors like being impaired, speeding, etc.

A civic is pretty easy to control and quite forgiving with driver errors as it gradually lets you know you are reaching the limits of the car...

a legacy on the other hand is even easier to control but once you reach the limits (which for a sedan are actually quite good) it is a sudden abrupt change that can be very difficult to handle if you are caught off guard...because the transition from grip to absolutely no grip is abrupt...with no warning that you are about to lose it.

so that can't really be a cause for these statistics...
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