damn.... C6 Z06 does NOT disappoint at the dragstrip...
10-29-2005, 03:13 PM
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damn.... C6 Z06 does NOT disappoint at the dragstrip...
this is at GLD in Wisconsin.... nice to know the numbers in the mags were REAL. 
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10-29-2005, 11:32 PM
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C&D didn't think the Z06 looks different enough from the regular C6. But there are already quite a few on the road up here around Detroit, and I notice the car every time right away. I especially like the revised rear fenders and how the lowered ride height eliminates the space between the tire and wheel opening. A much meaner looking car than the regular C6.
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10-30-2005, 06:29 AM
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Two things: a very poor launch and VERY bad shifting. If this driver had managed to do these correctly (and obviously with some serious rubber on the rear), I would bet he could have shaved another third of a second off his E.T.
10-30-2005, 06:31 AM
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Sorry, should have added this.
So what do we have here? An owner who is taking it easy with his car and just wants to see what she'll do. Understanding that, an 11.76 is a super time for someone who either doesn't know much about drag racing or just wants to go easy on their $69,000 machine. Really can't blame him.
So what do we have here? An owner who is taking it easy with his car and just wants to see what she'll do. Understanding that, an 11.76 is a super time for someone who either doesn't know much about drag racing or just wants to go easy on their $69,000 machine. Really can't blame him.
10-30-2005, 06:37 AM
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The new Z06 is one car I lust after. As much as I respect, admire, and revere the small block Chevy, it really would have been great if the new Z06 had received a big block in the form of the ZL1 1969 engine. Not only a true 427, but if tuned like the small block 428 in the new Z06 (yes, it is really a small block 428 not a small block 427), I would imagine it would be putting quite a bit more than 505 HP. Remember, in 1969, it was putting out around 610 HP.
I have a mini road test of one of the two Corvettes built in 1969 with the ZL1 (there were 69 Camaros with that engine built that year). Anyway, the 1969 Corvette with the ZL1 and street tires managed a 10.3 at 130 MPH in the quarter.
I have a mini road test of one of the two Corvettes built in 1969 with the ZL1 (there were 69 Camaros with that engine built that year). Anyway, the 1969 Corvette with the ZL1 and street tires managed a 10.3 at 130 MPH in the quarter.
10-30-2005, 06:44 AM
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Finally, please don't get me wrong. If I was of a mind to spend close to $70,000 on a car, there are only two cars that would be in the picture for me and happily, both are true, red-blooded American machines: the CTS-V Cadillac and the Z06 Corvette.
What Cadillac has been doing of late is nothing short of magic. I love it. Only thing is these beauties are expensive. But boy do they sing.
And Chevy's 'Vette just keeps getting better. Still my favorite of all time is the 1966 427 L74 and L72 versions. But the Z06 series, especially the 2006 variety, is just downright awsome. This is driving machinery at its best.
What Cadillac has been doing of late is nothing short of magic. I love it. Only thing is these beauties are expensive. But boy do they sing.
And Chevy's 'Vette just keeps getting better. Still my favorite of all time is the 1966 427 L74 and L72 versions. But the Z06 series, especially the 2006 variety, is just downright awsome. This is driving machinery at its best.
10-30-2005, 07:29 AM
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And Chevy's 'Vette just keeps getting better. Still my favorite of all time is the 1966 427 L74 and L72 versions. But the Z06 series, especially the 2006 variety, is just downright awsome. This is driving machinery at its best.
That C6 Z06 is just plain sick. That an apparently so-so driver can post an 11.76 @ 125mph is simply UNBELIEVABLE.
10-30-2005, 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by SouthernBoy
Two things: a very poor launch and VERY bad shifting. If this driver had managed to do these correctly (and obviously with some serious rubber on the rear), I would bet he could have shaved another third of a second off his E.T.
pretty obvious it was just a casual street run. I mean, the guy just took his car to the track, and ran it. it takes time to get used to any car at the strip, it can take many passes before you get it down. the fact that he was able to take it to the track and still run 11.7 @ 125 with a bad launch and bad shifting, means the car is capable of even more. my point was that he was able to match the mag's times pretty easily. as time goes by we will see people running even better with this car.
10-30-2005, 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by SouthernBoy
The new Z06 is one car I lust after. As much as I respect, admire, and revere the small block Chevy, it really would have been great if the new Z06 had received a big block in the form of the ZL1 1969 engine. Not only a true 427, but if tuned like the small block 428 in the new Z06 (yes, it is really a small block 428 not a small block 427), I would imagine it would be putting quite a bit more than 505 HP. Remember, in 1969, it was putting out around 610 HP.
I have a mini road test of one of the two Corvettes built in 1969 with the ZL1 (there were 69 Camaros with that engine built that year). Anyway, the 1969 Corvette with the ZL1 and street tires managed a 10.3 at 130 MPH in the quarter.
I have a mini road test of one of the two Corvettes built in 1969 with the ZL1 (there were 69 Camaros with that engine built that year). Anyway, the 1969 Corvette with the ZL1 and street tires managed a 10.3 at 130 MPH in the quarter.
give me the current technology and motor from the C6R race car, you can have the '69 motor in YOUR C6
and maybe Chevy will send you a mechanic too, for when you break it every weekend. and maybe Chevy will build a gas station for you, right next to your house. Since that's where your car will be spending most of its time.
10-30-2005, 09:19 AM
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Very hot car.
Wonder if it will be possible to find one that was not overly abused about two years from now!?!?!?
Wonder if it will be possible to find one that was not overly abused about two years from now!?!?!?
I think it should be ok... I mean, it's a damn race motor from the C6R basically. And I doubt most ppl who drive it will be using the car's potential.. I mean 11.7 @ 125? What are you going to do with that on the street? Taking it out for a cruise would be like taxiing a fighter jet on the runway.... a great analogy from this article:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/AUTOS/carrev...z06/index.html
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10-30-2005, 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by SouthernBoy
If I was of a mind to spend close to $70,000 on a car...
...the CTS-V Cadillac...
...the CTS-V Cadillac...
I'm thinking if you ever do decide to spend that much, you better spring for the Vette.
10-30-2005, 01:05 PM
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Ya and all your friends would call you a moron for spending that much on the fugly-est car ever made next to the Aztec.
I'm thinking if you ever do decide to spend that much, you better spring for the Vette.
I'm thinking if you ever do decide to spend that much, you better spring for the Vette.
10-30-2005, 01:08 PM
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I dunno, to me it looks like someone drove a perfectly good looking car right into a brick wall...
No doubt it performs well tho...
EDIT: You are gonna laugh at me, but I DO like the XLR. Dunno what it is about it, but ya...same general lines as the CTS
No doubt it performs well tho...
EDIT: You are gonna laugh at me, but I DO like the XLR. Dunno what it is about it, but ya...same general lines as the CTS
10-30-2005, 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by srika
pretty obvious it was just a casual street run. I mean, the guy just took his car to the track, and ran it. it takes time to get used to any car at the strip, it can take many passes before you get it down. the fact that he was able to take it to the track and still run 11.7 @ 125 with a bad launch and bad shifting, means the car is capable of even more. my point was that he was able to match the mag's times pretty easily. as time goes by we will see people running even better with this car.
10-30-2005, 01:57 PM
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hell no.... I wouldn't want a 1969 motor in my 2005 car..... wtf. LOL
give me the current technology and motor from the C6R race car, you can have the '69 motor in YOUR C6 and maybe Chevy will send you a mechanic too, for when you break it every weekend. and maybe Chevy will build a gas station for you, right next to your house. Since that's where your car will be spending most of its time.
give me the current technology and motor from the C6R race car, you can have the '69 motor in YOUR C6
and maybe Chevy will send you a mechanic too, for when you break it every weekend. and maybe Chevy will build a gas station for you, right next to your house. Since that's where your car will be spending most of its time. My point was to take a monter engine from the supercar era and bring it up to present day tune (ah, just like they did with the small block).
10-30-2005, 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by proaudio22
Ya and all your friends would call you a moron for spending that much on the fugly-est car ever made next to the Aztec.
I'm thinking if you ever do decide to spend that much, you better spring for the Vette.
I'm thinking if you ever do decide to spend that much, you better spring for the Vette.
10-30-2005, 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by SouthernBoy
You also missed my point. What do you think the small block Chevy is? Heck, it's 10 years older than the big block Chevy, having been introduced in 1955. The engine that's in the 2006 Z06 is based upon a design that's 50 years old. All that means is Chevrolet did it right.
My point was to take a monter engine from the supercar era and bring it up to present day tune (ah, just like they did with the small block).
My point was to take a monter engine from the supercar era and bring it up to present day tune (ah, just like they did with the small block).
the Chevy smallblock V8 engine was created in 1955 but other than being a smallblock V8, it has pretty much NOTHING in common with the C6 Z06 motor.
10-31-2005, 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by SouthernBoy
You also missed my point. What do you think the small block Chevy is? Heck, it's 10 years older than the big block Chevy, having been introduced in 1955. The engine that's in the 2006 Z06 is based upon a design that's 50 years old. All that means is Chevrolet did it right.
My point was to take a monter engine from the supercar era and bring it up to present day tune (ah, just like they did with the small block).
My point was to take a monter engine from the supercar era and bring it up to present day tune (ah, just like they did with the small block).
The only thing fifty years old is the name.
A pretty good set of articles on the history of the small block: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_Small-Block_engine.
10-31-2005, 09:15 AM
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Very hot car.
Wonder if it will be possible to find one that was not overly abused about two years from now!?!?!?
Wonder if it will be possible to find one that was not overly abused about two years from now!?!?!?
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I'm with the guy earlier who pointed out that it will be hard to abuse the Z06 on public roads. It's much easier to abuse a car with far lower capabilities.
I'd just check a few things: how long did the tires last? If they're somehow still original, you pretty much know the car hasn't been abused. Was any drivetrain component (like a rear end) replaced under warranty? I think you can get warranty history from the dealer with a VIN. And was all service performed?
I'd just check a few things: how long did the tires last? If they're somehow still original, you pretty much know the car hasn't been abused. Was any drivetrain component (like a rear end) replaced under warranty? I think you can get warranty history from the dealer with a VIN. And was all service performed?
10-31-2005, 11:13 AM
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I'm with the guy earlier who pointed out that it will be hard to abuse the Z06 on public roads.
good point about the tires, that's definitely something to check and inquire about.
10-31-2005, 11:23 AM
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I think they were smoking while driving it.
10-31-2005, 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by proaudio22
Ya and all your friends would call you a moron for spending that much on the fugly-est car ever made next to the Aztec.
I'm thinking if you ever do decide to spend that much, you better spring for the Vette.
I'm thinking if you ever do decide to spend that much, you better spring for the Vette.
10-31-2005, 05:08 PM
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I don't know where you're getting your info from.... yes the '06 Z06 motor is similar to the Vette motor from 1955, in that it has 8 cylinders, a block, and pistons. The same can be said about ANY 8 cylinder car. The LS7 is a technological tour de force based on the C6R motor, not the 1955 Vette. The engines have come a LONG way.
the Chevy smallblock V8 engine was created in 1955 but other than being a smallblock V8, it has pretty much NOTHING in common with the C6 Z06 motor.
the Chevy smallblock V8 engine was created in 1955 but other than being a smallblock V8, it has pretty much NOTHING in common with the C6 Z06 motor.
I don't subscribe to the concept of technological wonders when it comes to engines.. I just admire and respect things that are designed right and work well regardless of their particular design. And so it is with the small block Chevy.. and the small block Ford. Fine engines.
11-01-2005, 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by SouthernBoy
Once again, I believe you've missed my point which is simply that the current small block Chevy has it's roots in the 1955 small block engine. Of course there have been huge and extensive changes since then. That's a given. I never inferred that the present small block is in any way the same or near the same as its orginal forerunner. The one thing I did state is that Chevy got it right 50 years ago and at the time, they didn't even know it. And the current small block is not a technological tour de force, if you would be given to believe some automotive writers, because it still is a pushrod, wedge head, valve lifter engine.. not that there's any problem with that.. it works.
I don't subscribe to the concept of technological wonders when it comes to engines.. I just admire and respect things that are designed right and work well regardless of their particular design. And so it is with the small block Chevy.. and the small block Ford. Fine engines.
I don't subscribe to the concept of technological wonders when it comes to engines.. I just admire and respect things that are designed right and work well regardless of their particular design. And so it is with the small block Chevy.. and the small block Ford. Fine engines.
11-01-2005, 03:49 PM
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You're missing the point. The current small block has been 100% redesigned from a clean sheet of paper at least once. Whatever Cole got right in the early 1950s was tossed out the window in the late 1980s. The only thing that remained the same was the bore spacing, which has nothing to do with how good an engine design is, just how large it can become. (They had to work real hard to get 7.0 liters with a 4.4-inch bore spacing.) It's like saying a totally redesigned model proves something about the one it replaced because they share a name and a wheelbase.
As for getting 428 cubic inches from this small block with a 4.4 inch spacing, I agree.. that's a job. But this engine has a very long stroke.. as in 4 inches, and this is where the displacement is met. On the other hand, the bore diameter is rather small for a 428 cubic inch engine at 4.125 inches. But this would have to be the case with a 4.4 bore spacing.. much more and you risk blowing the engine since the liners would be too thin.
Once again, it looks like I stand corrected here. Not a bad thing, you understand. I just learned something, that's all. But there are still several things this engine borrows from the earlier Chevy small block: an in-the-block cam; wedge heads, and valve lifters with pushrods and rocker arms. Some things just work well and will continue to do so.
11-01-2005, 05:26 PM
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no probs man. I admit I got a little riled up and I apologize for that as well. oh and umm, not to rub salt in the wounds, but I got this from one of the mailing lists I'm on, that I happened to share this discussion with...
Unfortunately, I am old enough to have the original Popular Hot Rodding Magazine that road tested that ZL1 Vette. And it sure does smell musty. In any event, the ZL1 Vette did not run in the low 10s on street tires at 130. It ran a 12.14 at 117.8 on 8.00X14 M&H Racemaster tires (slicks) with a Holley 850 cfm carb (manual secondaries), 4.10 gears and closed headers (i.e., running through the exhaust system). When they ran it with open headers (no exhaust) it ran a 12.11 at 119.3. It ran an 11.78 at 122.5 when they changed the carb to a vacuum secondary model (still on slicks with open headers).
The car was then modified with a Turbo Clutch transmission, a "tall" (tunnel ram??) dual carb Weiand intake manifold and a pair of Holley 660 cfm carbs. In this configuration (not particularly streetable), with the aforementioned slicks filled with 6 pounds of air and a little powdered rosin, the car ran a best of 10.21 at 133.80.
Clearly, a stock C6Z would beat a stock ZL1 Vette. Moreover, with slicks, headers, and an open exhaust, I see no reason why a C6Z wouldnt run easy lo 10s at 135+. The C6Z is capable of this while getting good gas mileage (by any standard), meeting low emissions, will run 150,000 miles, doesnt stall and idles with relative smoothness, is relatively quiet, doesnt need tuneups every 3000 miles and can be driven regularly on the street or racetrack. Plus it has A/C, power everything, stereo, leather, etc. The ZL1 didnt even have a radio and they only built one or two of these cars (as far as I'm concerned it was not really a production car). The "big block" Vette that you could actually buy that year was available with a 427/435 HP motor that made a true flywheel HP of 380 and ran mid to high 13s at about 105-108mph (reported in the same magazine). (Note: This mag crowned the Mopar 426/425HP Street Hemi as the King of production big blocks in the same issue with 390 true flywheel HP).
Regarding the lo tech BS, the LS7 isnt a lo tech motor by any informed automotive engineer's standard (I have an engineering degree, am a former United States patent examiner and presently, a patent attorney - I think I know the difference between lo tech and hi tech).
The car was then modified with a Turbo Clutch transmission, a "tall" (tunnel ram??) dual carb Weiand intake manifold and a pair of Holley 660 cfm carbs. In this configuration (not particularly streetable), with the aforementioned slicks filled with 6 pounds of air and a little powdered rosin, the car ran a best of 10.21 at 133.80.
Clearly, a stock C6Z would beat a stock ZL1 Vette. Moreover, with slicks, headers, and an open exhaust, I see no reason why a C6Z wouldnt run easy lo 10s at 135+. The C6Z is capable of this while getting good gas mileage (by any standard), meeting low emissions, will run 150,000 miles, doesnt stall and idles with relative smoothness, is relatively quiet, doesnt need tuneups every 3000 miles and can be driven regularly on the street or racetrack. Plus it has A/C, power everything, stereo, leather, etc. The ZL1 didnt even have a radio and they only built one or two of these cars (as far as I'm concerned it was not really a production car). The "big block" Vette that you could actually buy that year was available with a 427/435 HP motor that made a true flywheel HP of 380 and ran mid to high 13s at about 105-108mph (reported in the same magazine). (Note: This mag crowned the Mopar 426/425HP Street Hemi as the King of production big blocks in the same issue with 390 true flywheel HP).
Regarding the lo tech BS, the LS7 isnt a lo tech motor by any informed automotive engineer's standard (I have an engineering degree, am a former United States patent examiner and presently, a patent attorney - I think I know the difference between lo tech and hi tech).
11-01-2005, 08:36 PM
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no probs man. I admit I got a little riled up and I apologize for that as well. oh and umm, not to rub salt in the wounds, but I got this from one of the mailing lists I'm on, that I happened to share this discussion with...
By 1967, all cars were "smoggers". They had air pumps. I have an original copy of the November 1965 issue of Car and Driver which contains the "Battle of the 427's" article. One of the road tested cars is the most quoted road test I've ever seen from any magazine; the 427 Shelby AC Cobra. The other 427 was the L72 425 HP Corvette. In the Corvette road test, they managed a 12.8 second quarter at 112 MPH with 1966 street tires, closed exhaust, and 3.31 gears (the Cobra turned a 12.2 at 118 MPH with 3.54 gears and street tires).
In 1969, there was another engine you could get more easily in the Corvette; the legendary L88. Rated at 430 HP, in 1967, it was actually delivering 560 HP to the clutch.
Yep, I'm old enough as well to well remember those times, having grown up in the 60's and having owned one of the real and original supercars of those times. I will have to disagree with your friend a little, but what the hey. All of us know the new Z06 is serious stuff, absolutely no doubt about it.
11-01-2005, 08:57 PM
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no probs man. I admit I got a little riled up and I apologize for that as well. oh and umm, not to rub salt in the wounds, but I got this from one of the mailing lists I'm on, that I happened to share this discussion with...
He says, "The "big block" Vette that you could actually buy that year was available with a 427/435 HP motor". This is not completely true. Chevy made their big block semi-hemi engine available in several states of tune that year (at least 4).
Another thing he's wrong about is the rear end. Corvettes were not available with 4.10's. The closest gear set to that ratio was a 4.11 (I know 1/100th off, but words mean things).
In 1967, Motion Performance, working through Baldwin Chevrolet, offered a "special" Camaro, outfitted with the L74 427 engine (450HP), the M22 Muncie box, and 4.56 gears. They guaranteed these cars would turn 11-second quarters and Hi-Performance Cars tested an example and turned an 11.50 at 128 MPH.
But still the beauty of the new Z06 is what your friend wrote. Here we have a genuine road monster with A/C and no gas guzler tax.. the thing delivers 27 MPG! Trying to compare this Z06 with a big block 60's 'Vette is, well, almost not fair. Granted a few of the 60's 'Vettes would beat it, but the vast majority would not. And the Z06 just flat offers SO much more to boot. This may be just about as good as it gets.