Dad's getting into a 2004 ES330. Is it better than a 2004 TL?
#41
Originally Posted by F23A4
Technically speaking, the 04 ES330 has 240 lb-ft versus the 04 TL's 238 lb-ft.
#43
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I could not deomonstrate TS on neither the TL nor the ES330 after having driven both. Compared with my old 02 Maxima, both are dead on the lowend.
#44
Originally Posted by F23A4
I could not deomonstrate TS on neither the TL nor the ES330 after having driven both. Compared with my old 02 Maxima, both are dead on the lowend.
Edit: Funny you should mention the Maxima. While my dad was car-shopping for the ES, he also drove the Maxima, and he hit the TS the exact same way I did with the TL, except it was turning right out of the dealership. That was when I really started pushing him towards the ES.
Last edited by elessar; 11-13-2007 at 09:50 AM.
#45
What Would Don Draper Do?
i agree that it depends on what he's looking for.
personally, i'm not a big fan of the previous generation ES. the interior is fine, and the ride is what you expect, but the car looks like a bug with the bulging head lights.
the current one is truly an improvement.
personally, i'm not a big fan of the previous generation ES. the interior is fine, and the ride is what you expect, but the car looks like a bug with the bulging head lights.
the current one is truly an improvement.
#46
Senior Moderator
Originally Posted by elessar
Really? Man... the first thing I noticed in my TL was the torque steer! I was coming from an Audi A4 w/"quattro" AWD, and only a 190HP V6. I guess I used to gun it a bit while making the right-hand turn out of my old apartment complex and merging into traffic. First time I tried that in the TL I was like "Whoa!!! WTF...?" Before the A4 I had a 150HP Nissan Altima, so I had never driven a FWD car with > 200 HP before. I now know what not to do, but I'm pretty sure I can reproduce it on demand.
So, when early 04 TL owners complained about TS I after taking my first two test drives. TS is why my the best stock time in my old Maxima was only a 14.7sec ET.
Take an 02+ Maxima, Infiniti I35 or Altima 3.5SE/SL/SE-R for a spin and you will see what torque steer really is.
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