Carrera GT Crash lands Into Court
06-09-2006 | 07:21 PM
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Carrera GT Crash lands Into Court
http://www.businessweek.com/autos/co...608_466074.htm
I remembering reading all those threads about the crash. Its sad.
But i dont think his wife is doing the right thing.
Would you guys want your wife to sue if you sat passenger seat on a track and didnt make it?
I guess thats better than going after Ben Keaton's family.
I remembering reading all those threads about the crash. Its sad.
But i dont think his wife is doing the right thing.
Would you guys want your wife to sue if you sat passenger seat on a track and didnt make it?
I guess thats better than going after Ben Keaton's family.
06-09-2006 | 07:35 PM
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THE CLAIMS
The lawsuit asserts a number of claims against several defendants. The more significant are:
• Keaton Estate - Failure to inform Rudl that he had been having handling problems with the Porsche, and that he had a recent incident where he lost control of the car.
• Racetrack owners and operators - Maintaining an unsafe racetrack as a result of inadequate maintenance, signage, and safety controls, and not moving back the concrete barriers after creating the children's play area.
• Ferrari Owners Club and the flagman - Negligently operating the track day by sending the Ferrari onto the track at the wrong time, violating their own rules by allowing passengers in the cars, failing to disclose Keaton's dangerous driving propensities, and allowing the track day to occur without moving the concrete barriers back to where they belonged.
• Ferrari driver - Not paying attention to the flagman, entering the track improperly, driving too slowly, and moving directly into the path of the Porsche.
• Porsche - Product liability for selling an unsafe car. This falls into three levels of defect.
1. There was some mechanical problem with this particular car that made it handle badly.
2. There are design defects with the Carrera GT that make it a poor-handling car, mainly tail-happy.
3. Third: The Carrera GT is too difficult a car to handle at high speeds for the average driver without instruction.
The lawsuit asserts a number of claims against several defendants. The more significant are:
• Keaton Estate - Failure to inform Rudl that he had been having handling problems with the Porsche, and that he had a recent incident where he lost control of the car.
• Racetrack owners and operators - Maintaining an unsafe racetrack as a result of inadequate maintenance, signage, and safety controls, and not moving back the concrete barriers after creating the children's play area.
• Ferrari Owners Club and the flagman - Negligently operating the track day by sending the Ferrari onto the track at the wrong time, violating their own rules by allowing passengers in the cars, failing to disclose Keaton's dangerous driving propensities, and allowing the track day to occur without moving the concrete barriers back to where they belonged.
• Ferrari driver - Not paying attention to the flagman, entering the track improperly, driving too slowly, and moving directly into the path of the Porsche.
• Porsche - Product liability for selling an unsafe car. This falls into three levels of defect.
1. There was some mechanical problem with this particular car that made it handle badly.
2. There are design defects with the Carrera GT that make it a poor-handling car, mainly tail-happy.
3. Third: The Carrera GT is too difficult a car to handle at high speeds for the average driver without instruction.
Dont these guys all sign waivers though?
06-09-2006 | 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by McClellan
If its power and handling characteristics make it too dangerous for the average driver without training or instruction, then it is defective.
06-09-2006 | 08:17 PM
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It's totally lame to go after the manufacturer because you're too incompetent to learn how to properly drive and handle a car of that kind of power.
It annoys me to no end that people have such a hard time accepting responsbility for their own stupidity.
It annoys me to no end that people have such a hard time accepting responsbility for their own stupidity.
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06-09-2006 | 09:07 PM
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I do think the McClellan has some good points.
Like super rich people should be taught some things before they are let loose in such cars (mabee a different class lisence). YES we can sue the government too!
Still don't think it should be in a court though.
Like super rich people should be taught some things before they are let loose in such cars (mabee a different class lisence). YES we can sue the government too!
Still don't think it should be in a court though.
06-09-2006 | 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Stapler
I do think the McClellan has some good points.
Like super rich people should be taught some things before they are let loose in such cars (mabee a different class lisence). YES we can sue the government too!
Still don't think it should be in a court though.
Like super rich people should be taught some things before they are let loose in such cars (mabee a different class lisence). YES we can sue the government too!
Still don't think it should be in a court though.
06-09-2006 | 10:27 PM
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Sounds like this bitch, and her attorney, are looking for $$$
1) Her husband made a choice to ride in a dangerous car at a very dangerous rate of speed. He had the option of riding along or not so the Keaton family should not be blamed.
2) Porsche simply sells the car to the consumer...they do not tell each owner how to drive their cars. If this was an everyday accident when doing the speed limit fine.....testing the "limits" of a Carrera GT around a track is not everyday driving.
3) If he signed a track waiver than he fully understood what his liabilities were that day. Apparently this bitch has never gotten the memo about how relieving others responsibilities works.
1) Her husband made a choice to ride in a dangerous car at a very dangerous rate of speed. He had the option of riding along or not so the Keaton family should not be blamed.
2) Porsche simply sells the car to the consumer...they do not tell each owner how to drive their cars. If this was an everyday accident when doing the speed limit fine.....testing the "limits" of a Carrera GT around a track is not everyday driving.
3) If he signed a track waiver than he fully understood what his liabilities were that day. Apparently this bitch has never gotten the memo about how relieving others responsibilities works.
06-10-2006 | 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by cob3683
Sounds like this bitch, and her attorney, are looking for $$$
1) Her husband made a choice to ride in a dangerous car at a very dangerous rate of speed. He had the option of riding along or not so the Keaton family should not be blamed.
2) Porsche simply sells the car to the consumer...they do not tell each owner how to drive their cars. If this was an everyday accident when doing the speed limit fine.....testing the "limits" of a Carrera GT around a track is not everyday driving.
3) If he signed a track waiver than he fully understood what his liabilities were that day. Apparently this bitch has never gotten the memo about how relieving others responsibilities works.
1) Her husband made a choice to ride in a dangerous car at a very dangerous rate of speed. He had the option of riding along or not so the Keaton family should not be blamed.
2) Porsche simply sells the car to the consumer...they do not tell each owner how to drive their cars. If this was an everyday accident when doing the speed limit fine.....testing the "limits" of a Carrera GT around a track is not everyday driving.
3) If he signed a track waiver than he fully understood what his liabilities were that day. Apparently this bitch has never gotten the memo about how relieving others responsibilities works.
06-10-2006 | 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Stupid Bitch
2. There are design defects with the Carrera GT that make it a poor-handling car, mainly tail-happy.
Poor handling simply because it oversteers?
So, she should sue every rear-wheel drive sports car maker in the world if that's the case!
06-10-2006 | 11:17 PM
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It was a tragic loss, it really was. However, this lady should be flogged and burned at the stake for the sheer stupidity and greediness that she is displaying. Things like this make me ashamed to be an American. We have become nothing but a Nation of pigs.
06-11-2006 | 02:45 AM
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This is a real shame that the family is being sued, Ben was a great guy.
FYI, the lawyer that is representing her is the same guy that sued porsche back in the 80's for all the accidents the tail happy 930 had.
FYI, the lawyer that is representing her is the same guy that sued porsche back in the 80's for all the accidents the tail happy 930 had.
06-11-2006 | 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Minch00
Poor handling simply because it oversteers?
So, she should sue every rear-wheel drive sports car maker in the world if that's the case!
So, she should sue every rear-wheel drive sports car maker in the world if that's the case!
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