BMW plans V8 power for 3-series
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BMW plans V8 power for 3-series
BMW looks set to take on the Mercedes CLK 430 with a hot V8-powered 3-series.
Power is likely to come from the newly developed V8 that will make its debut in the 7-series later this year.
The coupe would also be brisk enough to challenge the rumoured 3.7-litre 280bhp Audi A4 and would bridge the gap between the existing 231bhp 330Ci and the 343bhp M3.
A BMW spokesman said: "We haven’t made any firm decision on the 3-series yet, although developments are certainly pointing towards the need for a V8 in the coupe market."
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I agree... they need to call it the 6 series if they do it. The 3 series is plenty played out as it is. And so they'd have the lower powered inline 6, a 280ish hp V8, and then a top of line 343hp inline 6???? That sounds like something GM would do. Remember the old piece of crap Berettas? Your choice of a weak 4cyl, a weak 6cyl or a 180hp 4 cyl!!
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I hope they use platinum plugs. Have you seen how accessible the parts are in the 3 series with inline 6 engines?
Put a V8 in that tunnel -- better make sure it is engineered like the racing Audis (with snap fittings).
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Seeing as how thats a pic of the new 3-series Compact up there... have you guys seen the other pics??
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Compact what??? Smaller than it's small. Is BMW is mini coopper wonabe...
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Man, it's SO UGLY!!! What were they thinking? I guess crack has made it's move into Germany, or they're trying to destroy the BMW name. I absolutely love they way the 3 series looks now, not much room for improvement so I guess they just decided to go straight into the gutter.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by gavriil:
BMW looks set to take on the Mercedes CLK 430 with a hot V8-powered 3-series.
Power is likely to come from the newly developed V8 that will make its debut in the 7-series later this year.
The coupe would also be brisk enough to challenge the rumoured 3.7-litre 280bhp Audi A4 and would bridge the gap between the existing 231bhp 330Ci and the 343bhp M3.
A BMW spokesman said: "We haven’t made any firm decision on the 3-series yet, although developments are certainly pointing towards the need for a V8 in the coupe market."
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BMW looks set to take on the Mercedes CLK 430 with a hot V8-powered 3-series.
Power is likely to come from the newly developed V8 that will make its debut in the 7-series later this year.
The coupe would also be brisk enough to challenge the rumoured 3.7-litre 280bhp Audi A4 and would bridge the gap between the existing 231bhp 330Ci and the 343bhp M3.
A BMW spokesman said: "We haven’t made any firm decision on the 3-series yet, although developments are certainly pointing towards the need for a V8 in the coupe market."
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by someguy:
I doubt that there will ever be an 8cylnder in a 3. The 330i and M3 are pretty damn fast. The V8 would compete with the M3. </font>
I doubt that there will ever be an 8cylnder in a 3. The 330i and M3 are pretty damn fast. The V8 would compete with the M3. </font>
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by tankmonkey:
actually, bmw debuted a v8 version of the new m3 at the rolex 24hrs of daytona. there were also i6 versions of both the new and previous generation m3s, as well.</font>
actually, bmw debuted a v8 version of the new m3 at the rolex 24hrs of daytona. there were also i6 versions of both the new and previous generation m3s, as well.</font>
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by someguy:
Yes, I am aware that the V8 was at daytona, but doubt that it will make it into production. This would infringe on other bmw sales, specifically the rumored new 6 series.</font>
Yes, I am aware that the V8 was at daytona, but doubt that it will make it into production. This would infringe on other bmw sales, specifically the rumored new 6 series.</font>
2. these bmws were not racing in the prototype class. this means that bmw will have to produce at least a token number of these cars for the general public in order to keep the points earned over the course of the series. (these *are* production based cars, after all)
3. I agree that the v8 will eat into the i6 sales. however, as the new m3 has only marginally improved power over what has been available in europe for the last few years, and those few years are a lifetime in most any form of racing, I think the 3 series v8 is looking pretty attractive to bmw right now, at least from a "race on sunday / sell on monday" perspective.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by tankmonkey:
1. your awareness of the racing v8 wasn't particularly clear from your original post.
2. these bmws were not racing in the prototype class. this means that bmw will have to produce at least a token number of these cars for the general public in order to keep the points earned over the course of the series. (these *are* production based cars, after all)
3. I agree that the v8 will eat into the i6 sales. however, as the new m3 has only marginally improved power over what has been available in europe for the last few years, and those few years are a lifetime in most any form of racing, I think the 3 series v8 is looking pretty attractive to bmw right now, at least from a "race on sunday / sell on monday" perspective.
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1. your awareness of the racing v8 wasn't particularly clear from your original post.
2. these bmws were not racing in the prototype class. this means that bmw will have to produce at least a token number of these cars for the general public in order to keep the points earned over the course of the series. (these *are* production based cars, after all)
3. I agree that the v8 will eat into the i6 sales. however, as the new m3 has only marginally improved power over what has been available in europe for the last few years, and those few years are a lifetime in most any form of racing, I think the 3 series v8 is looking pretty attractive to bmw right now, at least from a "race on sunday / sell on monday" perspective.
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From what I hear, the 6 is definitely coming back, maybe as early as next year or two.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by gavriil:
BMW looks set to take on the Mercedes CLK 430 with a hot V8-powered 3-series.
Power is likely to come from the newly developed V8 that will make its debut in the 7-series later this year.
The coupe would also be brisk enough to challenge the rumoured 3.7-litre 280bhp Audi A4 and would bridge the gap between the existing 231bhp 330Ci and the 343bhp M3.
A BMW spokesman said: "We haven’t made any firm decision on the 3-series yet, although developments are certainly pointing towards the need for a V8 in the coupe market."
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BMW looks set to take on the Mercedes CLK 430 with a hot V8-powered 3-series.
Power is likely to come from the newly developed V8 that will make its debut in the 7-series later this year.
The coupe would also be brisk enough to challenge the rumoured 3.7-litre 280bhp Audi A4 and would bridge the gap between the existing 231bhp 330Ci and the 343bhp M3.
A BMW spokesman said: "We haven’t made any firm decision on the 3-series yet, although developments are certainly pointing towards the need for a V8 in the coupe market."
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It makes no marketing sense to throw a V8 into a 3-series. Head-to-head...they use the M3 as a competitor for the CLK430 and CLK55. BMW would not waste their time on something that would eat into 5-series sales. Take a marketing class and you'll know why. BMW has already injured its image somewhat by producing the 318ti. Most people faced with a decision to pay around 50K for an M3 or a V8 3-series...would buy the M3.
But that's just my thoughts.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by moomaster_99:
BMW has already injured its image somewhat by producing the 318ti.
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BMW has already injured its image somewhat by producing the 318ti.
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BMW 3xx with a V8? No way. Its too heavy. Stick a powerfull V6, maybe a much bigger V6 but definatly not an 8. The three series is too small and light to have an 8 and keep that 50/50 weight split on the frong and rear. I almost got a 328. My neighbor (a prick) has a 328 and a friend has a 318... so I couldn't get one.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by someguy:
I will disagree with this. BMW did not hurt its image with this car. In Europe they sell a 316ti, 520i, and a 728i. It is only in the US that these models cannot be sold. The same is true for all the other euro carmakers. Cars that will sell very well in europe, such as low-end BMWs are for some reason considered junk in the US. I thought that the 318ti was rated by I think Car and Driver as the best handling car in the US for less than 30k. The 318ti reflected what BMW was about. BMW is not about pure power, like US sports cars, but rather they are strongly concerned with handling and supspention dynamics. The 318ti was priced under 20k, and for that price it was a fun car and very practical. Carmakers that are considered pristigious in the US are just like US carmakers in their own makets, its just that makers like BMW, Mercedes and Jaguar import only the high end models. Even Canadians can get a 320i w/ 168hp engine.
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I will disagree with this. BMW did not hurt its image with this car. In Europe they sell a 316ti, 520i, and a 728i. It is only in the US that these models cannot be sold. The same is true for all the other euro carmakers. Cars that will sell very well in europe, such as low-end BMWs are for some reason considered junk in the US. I thought that the 318ti was rated by I think Car and Driver as the best handling car in the US for less than 30k. The 318ti reflected what BMW was about. BMW is not about pure power, like US sports cars, but rather they are strongly concerned with handling and supspention dynamics. The 318ti was priced under 20k, and for that price it was a fun car and very practical. Carmakers that are considered pristigious in the US are just like US carmakers in their own makets, its just that makers like BMW, Mercedes and Jaguar import only the high end models. Even Canadians can get a 320i w/ 168hp engine.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Speed_Racer:
The Prelude SH actually won Car and Driver's "Best Handling Car for Under $30,000" in early 1997. Not sure if they did any other comparisons after this. . .
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by someguy:
I will disagree with this. BMW did not hurt its image with this car. In Europe they sell a 316ti, 520i, and a 728i. It is only in the US that these models cannot be sold.
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I will disagree with this. BMW did not hurt its image with this car. In Europe they sell a 316ti, 520i, and a 728i. It is only in the US that these models cannot be sold.
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The only reason they get buy with those wimpy cars in Europe is because gas costs $5.00 a gallon.
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I am almost certain that we will see a V8 3 Series. You people are getting confused because you assume that the V8 version of this car will be faster than the M3. That is not what BMW is trying to accomplish here.
Although all BMW engines are torquey engines, lack of adequate torque is getting more of an issue with the 3 series due to the fact that the car is getting heavier with all these options. A 4 liter V8 would get more torque than the M3's engine but less power. Add to that the fact that there will only be an auto trany version of this car and that this car will be fully loaded with options and the V8 makes more sense.
People think that the 330Ci is fast but 214 pounds of torque is punny for US luxury standards. The 3 series is BMW's cash cow and they need to squeeze as much out of the car as possible. A V8 makes big sense.
Plus, the next S4 will borrow the W8 from the Passat so there is another reason (again, the V8 3Series will not go against the S4, the M3 will continue to do that).
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Although all BMW engines are torquey engines, lack of adequate torque is getting more of an issue with the 3 series due to the fact that the car is getting heavier with all these options. A 4 liter V8 would get more torque than the M3's engine but less power. Add to that the fact that there will only be an auto trany version of this car and that this car will be fully loaded with options and the V8 makes more sense.
People think that the 330Ci is fast but 214 pounds of torque is punny for US luxury standards. The 3 series is BMW's cash cow and they need to squeeze as much out of the car as possible. A V8 makes big sense.
Plus, the next S4 will borrow the W8 from the Passat so there is another reason (again, the V8 3Series will not go against the S4, the M3 will continue to do that).
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