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Old 01-07-2004, 01:12 PM
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another Vortech install (03 G35 coupe)

for those of you that remember we did the install on zimbo's G35 sedan, zimbo posted pics with before and after dyno sheets... our new project is a G35 coupe (dollar 99) jimmy drove all the way down from Maryland yesterday to have us install and tune the vortech kit on his car. we will post lots of pics before and after with dyno sheet too..

here is the base line dyno sheet.... mods in this run are, intake,exhaust,grounding kit...






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Thats a lot of power for being semi stock. What kind of gains does the intake and exhaust give on a G35c?

I'm guessing this is MT too right?
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Originally posted by Chaptorial
Thats a lot of power for being semi stock. What kind of gains does the intake and exhaust give on a G35c?

I'm guessing this is MT too right?
yes this is 6-speed


intake and exhaust sould give about 10-15hp
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From what I've been able to gain, exhaust and intakes on the G don't do squat. FWIW, aftermarket headers are basically worthless on our cars.
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a gain of approx 15hp and approx 50 ft-lb of torque?

the increase in torque is great! But how come the increase in hp is so low?

the increase in hp on the cl is about 40-50 hp.

i'm just curious as to why the numbers are the way they are, i'm not tryin to say this is bad or anything, just tryin to be more understanding of the dyno and the setup.

Thanx!
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Where'd ya get the 50tq from?
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pixs of the car would be nice...
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Originally posted by Chaptorial
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Where'd ya get the 50tq from?

sorry, i meant approx 40 ft lbs, i compared the highest base dyno run to the after dyno run that he had mentioned.

the highest base run was about 232, and the after dyno run was 277 so we get 277 - 232 ~ 45 ft lb torque increase
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You need to get your eyes checked.

Unless I'm not seeing another dyno graph..
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Originally posted by Scrib
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You need to get your eyes checked.

Unless I'm not seeing another dyno graph..
you know what, now i see what i did wrong!!! oops

i mistakenly saw the 250 hp and 277 ftlbs of torque in the sig and thought that was what they dyno'd after for the g35

sorry for the mixup, i'll go kick myself now.
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sorry to hijack
fastvtec, dont kno how if you saw this http://www.v6performance.net/forums/...0&pagenumber=1
or
http://www.v6performance.net/forums/...958&forumid=81

...slap on 200
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do they make pullies for the g and z??
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Originally posted by darrinb
do they make pullies for the g and z??
yes unorthodox racing makes the a 3 pulley set. (crank, alt, w/p)
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Re: another Vortech install (03 G35 coupe)

Originally posted by fastvtecCL
for those of you that remember we did the install on zimbo's G35 sedan, zimbo posted pics with before and after dyno sheets... our new project is a G35 coupe (dollar 99) jimmy drove all the way down from Maryland yesterday to have us install and tune the vortech kit on his car. we will post lots of pics before and after with dyno sheet too..
fastest, what are you doing to address all the issues with this motor+boost. so far; detonation at high rpms, due to running lean+too much timming advance= Kaboom.
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Originally posted by Scrib
From what I've been able to gain, exhaust and intakes on the G don't do squat.
mmmm..... I think they dyno 226whp stock, so the I/E definitely added like 12whp. Not bad. However, It looks like it causes the car to run really lean. The ecu's way of reacting to the mods. Maybe this is why so many engines blew up. They added breathing mods, after boosted applications, causing the immediate lean condition. Hmmm..... if this guy were to stay N/A I would like to see the car tunned with safc-2, to correct that 14.1!
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Originally posted by '03TLP&'03ACCRD
mmmm..... I think they dyno 226whp stock, so the I/E definitely added like 12whp. Not bad. However, It looks like it causes the car to run really lean. The ecu's way of reacting to the mods. Maybe this is why so many engines blew up. They added breathing mods, after boosted applications, causing the immediate lean condition. Hmmm..... if this guy were to stay N/A I would like to see the car tunned with safc-2, to correct that 14.1!
they range from 225-245 its mainly how the dynos calibrated.
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stock ones put down about 230 right, seems like they dont benefit from mods as much as us
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Originally posted by darrinb
stock ones put down about 230 right, seems like they dont benefit from mods as much as us
no but I wish we did. The VQ engines are lucky to get 5whp from headers
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Originally posted by blubyu2k2
they range from 225-245 its mainly how the dynos calibrated.
right, so we really need before and after dynos from this same dyno to really tell that he's not making any power from I/E. All this is speculation at this point.
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right, so we really need before and after dynos from this same dyno to really tell that he's not making any power from I/E. All this is speculation at this point.
I see what you're trying to do and it won't work. You should know by now by trolling all the G boards that the VQ doesn't really benefit from intakes, exhausts and especially headers.

So why you're trying to stir up the pot, I don't know.
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Originally posted by '03TLP&'03ACCRD
right, so we really need before and after dynos from this same dyno to really tell that he's not making any power from I/E. All this is speculation at this point.
Its not all speculation its been proven over and over and over by VQ owners. We gain maybe 5whp peak max from each of these mods. Its not always about the peak numbers though. I ran a 13.72@99.9 on my 18's and my best motor dyno is only 224whp...
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Thats because you have an excess of low end tq. Most people just look at the peak numbers, which in reality dont mean a whole lot.
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Originally posted by jtkz13
Thats because you have an excess of low end tq. Most people just look at the peak numbers, which in reality dont mean a whole lot.
thats what I was trying to say...I look at the curves before and after and I really don't care to much about peak numbers.
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Originally posted by blubyu2k2
I ran a 13.72@99.9 on my 18's and my best motor dyno is only 224whp...
your results are anything but typical.
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Design of the motor. It just makes more TQ out of the box. But not much more HP, so when modded your get more TQ then HP gain. A full NA setup on a 6 speed CLS will only get you about 210-215 TQ on a dyno, but 235+ in HP.
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Originally posted by Scrib
I see what you're trying to do and it won't work. You should know by now by trolling all the G boards that the VQ doesn't really benefit from intakes, exhausts and especially headers.

So why you're trying to stir up the pot, I don't know.
dude I'm not stiring up any pot! DR RICK was the first guy to dyno his 6spd coupe. It put out 226whp. Not bad at all. now there have been I/E/H gains on the G35C/350Z. its documented. You do the research. in fact check out nissan performance magazine's test of various mods on the 350Z:

http://www.nissanperformancemag.com/projects/350z.php
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there are so many dynos on the engine section of my350Z.com its not even funny. i/e/h, and people see 244, 255+whp, no problem. You can't just assume that i/e on any given car "does nothing". In order to back that up with factual data, dollar99 would have to do before and after dynos to evaluate the effect on power the mods, as he put them on. If you want to believe that the modded numbers are stock, because it makes you sleep better, at night then fine. but when the engine is breathing differently there will be a change in #'s. just look at his a/f ratios.
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how does the vq engine benefit from aftermarket cat backs compared to our cars??
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Originally posted by darrinb
how does the vq engine benefit from aftermarket cat backs compared to our cars??
Im not totally sure how much power the cl guys are seeing with a full catback but since 95 the VQ engines don't see more than 5-6whp from a full 2.5" catback system.
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well the coupe made 359whp and 305tq at 8psi. The timing was retarded approx 6 degrees at full boost and was tuned to about 11:5:1 across the board so this thing should be safe as a non boosted VQ. Now if only Procharger could settle there timing issues it would be all set.

Mods on the coupe were Vortech Sc'er, Exhaust, and grounding kit.
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