Yesterday, May 22 2001 NBC TV CH 4 NYC on the 6 o'clock news had a report on Acura TL odometers reading high. It's a problem for people leasing their cars, as they are paying for miles they did not drive. Acura is aware of the problem and is reinbursing Acura leasers for the extra mileage. Are the odometers adjustable?

 

They are "adjustable" by the size of the tires. Hmmm must not have been calibrated properly from factory or calculation was incorrect.

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how can we get 'official' information on this?

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I believe that the CL / CL-S also has this problem. Someone reported it about a year or so ago....



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caught it myself. the company said there is the potential of error anywhere from 1% - 10%. writing a letter to Acura and explaining your finds will most likely yield u any amount u have to pay after the lease is up. if this guy's case, he drove 20 miles, and the odo read 20.6 miles, which is a 3% error. Acura paid him $300 for his costs. and even tho this was on a TL, all TL and CL owners/leasees should go out and have your car's tested. the guy on the show tested his car by going on a freeway and lining his car up with the milage markers on the side of the freeway. good get CLS889.

Chris


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Which year(s) TL are affected?

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i thought 1%-10% is within tolerance, 'cuz it's related to speed.

that's why if you go 60mph, cops won't pull you over 'cuz if your speedo read 55mph with a 10% tolerance, it's 60.5mph.

i don't know, but my mileage is pretty accurate i think, i checked it myself with mile markers a couple times and it's only like .1 or so off.

i don't lease anyway.

 

this is not just bad for leasers...

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Burbank, CA radar police units have given some speeders tickets for 38 in a 35 zone!

Your also assuming that the tolerance is only going in one direction. How about +/- 10%. Using the +/- 10% at 60 MPH, the speed could be 54 MPH or 66 MPH.

I think a lot of small towns would love this.


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Correct. Cops pull you over and/or ticket you based on a lot of other things and speedo accuracy/inaccuracy cushion in not one of them:

1.quota
2.type of car you're driving
3.driver's race
4.flow of traffic
5.school zone / work zone
6.officer's mood
7.state and local laws
8.department policy
9.what they can get aware with in court
10.preceived accuracy of their own radar/speedo



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10% tolerance on a frequency signal?? 1% is stretching it a bit. Heck GM states 3% is the limit (to allow for tread wear) but Acura says that 10% is OK?? I can't remember if the odometer uses a AC speed sensor or just a mag pick-up (TTL output), need to check the Helms...

But the ability to read the frequency signal would probably exceed 0.1% accuracy. Add in the other components (including tread wear) and the maybe 2% could be the total error. But when we talk about the odometer, that should be counter based.

A 16 Bit counter with a Reset-On-Read function is very common. You just sum the pulses between reads, apply a conversion and add to the total. Not rocket science or even something that couldn't be done 20 years ago and more accurately.

Is this 10% a true spec?? Why even state 1% - 10%, what does the 1% have to do with anything, 0% - 10% makes sense. Or just say +/- 10% (or is it +/-5%) of actual reading??

Any of you dealer guys have a take on this??

 

Won't this effect our resale values too then. if its recording more miles than we actually drove?

What about the navi? If i measure w/ navi and my odometer it didn't match up sometimes. may be this is why. I also know the navi isn't 100% accurate but just something to think about.

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hold on people, im confused...my point earlier was the the milage on the odo was incorrectly measured, and now we're onto speed variations. a mile is a mile last time i measured, and i don't think goin 10 MPH or 100 MPH has anything to do with incorrect odo readings??

i said 1% to 10% error b/c if there was 0% error, there wouldn't b an issue. the guy in this story tracked his milage for 20 miles and noticed his odo was faster by 0.6, so if u measured 3% on 1 mile, that's only 0.03, which u won't see on the odo. 1% on 20 miles is 0.2

as far as tires go, last time i checked, the TL's and CL's tires were the same, 16". i could see the CL/TL Type-S wheels have an issue with the odo's, that is assuming the odo's were not programmed for 17" tires


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- the OLD cup holder
- ...last, but not least, the Xephyr CAI

 

The reason the correlation to speed was brought up is because the Odometer and the speedometer signals are taken from the same sensor, the transaxle speed output sensor (again, need to check the Helms to verify).

But if they were taken from the same sensor then the measurement of this signal would be suspect. If that were the case then both the speedometer and the odometer would show a similar error percentage.

That being the assumed case, then if you see 5% too high of a MPH reading then your odometer could also be 5% too high.

As for the issue with stating 1% - 10%, is Acura saying that if there is an error (which there always is, it can't be 100% accurate) then it will be from 1% - 10% off and never below 1%?? There is a great likely hood that it could be 0.75648% off which doesn't fall into the defined range. This really isn't important, just and observation.

 

That's what I'm thinking.

 

yeah, but who's checking the calibration of the mile marker signs? (I've never seen road crews using survey equipment to set those things up...)

 

resale values will change, however in this case, Acura paid up the difference. my guess is 1 of 2 situations will occur:

1. Acura is gonna b writing a lot of checks to customers who bring this issue up, or...

2. Acura dealorships will automatically adjust the resale values to compensate for the variance.

either way, Acura makes more money as long as the customer doesn't bring up the issue. sounds like a mini-scam to me


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- PIAA 19224 road lamps
- mudguards
- moonroof visor
- fenderwell trim
- spoiler
- wheel locks
- the OLD cup holder
- ...last, but not least, the Xephyr CAI

 

But this only helps if you're leasing. What if you bought your car and decide to sell it to private party or even trade it in?