Acura Nsx or Bmw M3
06-21-2005, 08:23 PM
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If my ears did the talking, and paying, it would choose the N S SEX - I mean NSX. In my opinion, it has a better exhaust note than the M3. But on the other hand, if you're deaf...
06-21-2005, 09:02 PM
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Yeah, the NSX is a bit overpriced. Though keep in mind.. it IS handbuilt. Its a bargain when you consider that. But then again, Honda should have redesigned the NSX about 5 or 6 years ago. Hell, we should be going on a THIRD generation NSX, especially if I had any say
06-21-2005, 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Ken1997TL
Yeah, the NSX is a bit overpriced. Though keep in mind.. it IS handbuilt. Its a bargain when you consider that. But then again, Honda should have redesigned the NSX about 5 or 6 years ago. Hell, we should be going on a THIRD generation NSX, especially if I had any say
06-21-2005, 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Crazy Sellout
Daily driver - m3
Weekend chick magnet - NSX
Weekend chick magnet - NSX
I think the NSX is just a good a daily driver as an M3. That's one of the reasons its so good. Its a sports car with the reliability/drivability of a HONDA.
06-22-2005, 10:25 AM
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I'd prefer the NSX. I've never driven one, but from what I've seen in race videos, they handle like an absolute dream. And then there's the "cool" factor. If I had an M3, most people just think it's another 3 series. "Meh, another BMW" kinda thing. It doesn't have a stunning look like the NSX. And the NSX is hand built too. If I had the money, I'd get an NSX and keep it for 20 years.
The NSX is hands down the most reliable exotic (the M3 isn't even an exotic I would say). I'd rather have an NSX over any Lambo or Ferrarri even, because of that easy driving and "liveable" aspect. It wouldn't cost me a fortune in parts from Italy, and it's wayyy less fussy than any other exotic car. It's just as reliable as any Honda, and for an exotic, it's gas mileage is quite good
. Of course if I could afford that I might not care so much about that.
The NSX is hands down the most reliable exotic (the M3 isn't even an exotic I would say). I'd rather have an NSX over any Lambo or Ferrarri even, because of that easy driving and "liveable" aspect. It wouldn't cost me a fortune in parts from Italy, and it's wayyy less fussy than any other exotic car. It's just as reliable as any Honda, and for an exotic, it's gas mileage is quite good
. Of course if I could afford that I might not care so much about that.
06-22-2005, 11:31 AM
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even if youre not looking for reliabilty, it is still there with the NSX. its just a plus side.
the reason we worry about reliability is because we think its outrageous to fix an Italian exotic. but if the tables were turned, and we could all afford a 100k car, then we wouldnt really car about maitenence costs. its all proportional to the price of our CL compared to fixing costs anyway.
the reason we worry about reliability is because we think its outrageous to fix an Italian exotic. but if the tables were turned, and we could all afford a 100k car, then we wouldnt really car about maitenence costs. its all proportional to the price of our CL compared to fixing costs anyway.
06-22-2005, 11:45 AM
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Well if reliability is such a big deal, why not go for the M3 that has free maintenance for the first 3 years?
Unless you plan on keeping the car past warranty, reliability shouldn't play that big of a role in a car decision.
Unless you plan on keeping the car past warranty, reliability shouldn't play that big of a role in a car decision.
06-22-2005, 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by cob3683
Well if reliability is such a big deal, why not go for the M3 that has free maintenance for the first 3 years?
Unless you plan on keeping the car past warranty, reliability shouldn't play that big of a role in a car decision.
Unless you plan on keeping the car past warranty, reliability shouldn't play that big of a role in a car decision.
06-22-2005, 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by youngTL
Uhhh, most NSXs are kept past warranty. I thought I made it clear that reliability wasn't THE reason to get one over an M3. It was just a bonus. It's really the styling and the driving dynamics and exclusivity that would make me choose the NSX.
06-22-2005, 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by cob3683
I didn't mean to single out your post. I was making a general statement. I just think its funny that when people talk about its benefits, almost everytime there is a comment about its reliability. Typically this isn't a comment associated with higher end sports cars.
But for this same reason, it makes an NSX an AWESOME used exotic buy. Which actually puts it within my price range. It's exciting that I could actually OWN MY OWN NSX, even though I have to worry about how much I spend on gas and how much I spend on parts. The M3 is the same, a reliable daily driver for awhile, but as it gets 8+ years old you have to really worry about expensive BMW maintenance, and it's not even an exotic. No thanks. I'll pass on that.
06-22-2005, 01:00 PM
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^ agree
we are comparing an NSX to M3. this is just a joke. i see at least 4 m3s a day, and at least 10 times as many 3 series. enough is enough.
to me its shocking as to why anyone would chose an M3, esp on an Acura forum. nsx may be 90k, but throw on a nice hood, kit, and SC and you have yourself a phenominal track superstar that turns just as many heads as a ferrari, let alone keep up and outhandle one.
we are comparing an NSX to M3. this is just a joke. i see at least 4 m3s a day, and at least 10 times as many 3 series. enough is enough.
to me its shocking as to why anyone would chose an M3, esp on an Acura forum. nsx may be 90k, but throw on a nice hood, kit, and SC and you have yourself a phenominal track superstar that turns just as many heads as a ferrari, let alone keep up and outhandle one.
06-22-2005, 02:21 PM
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NSX because you dont see alot of them on the road, but there not even in the same price range, so I how are you really suppose to compare. Its like me asking whether or not you would take a TL over a Civic.
06-22-2005, 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Jaydef03
^ agree
we are comparing an NSX to M3. this is just a joke. i see at least 4 m3s a day, and at least 10 times as many 3 series. enough is enough.
to me its shocking as to why anyone would chose an M3, esp on an Acura forum. nsx may be 90k, but throw on a nice hood, kit, and SC and you have yourself a phenominal track superstar that turns just as many heads as a ferrari, let alone keep up and outhandle one.
we are comparing an NSX to M3. this is just a joke. i see at least 4 m3s a day, and at least 10 times as many 3 series. enough is enough.
to me its shocking as to why anyone would chose an M3, esp on an Acura forum. nsx may be 90k, but throw on a nice hood, kit, and SC and you have yourself a phenominal track superstar that turns just as many heads as a ferrari, let alone keep up and outhandle one.
It may be 90k, but if you add x,y,z it will be great at something? Sounds like a played out argument.
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06-22-2005, 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by youngTL
You're correct. However, the NSX is quite atypical of a high end sports car. It's overpriced for what you get (probably due to being hand built), parts for the car are surprisingly reasonable in cost, and it can function as a daily driver without putting up too much of a fuss. The only other exotic carmaker that can do this is Porsche, and even then they're a little more fickle. The nice thing about the NSX is that you can beat the shit out of it every time you drive, and not have to worry about possible expensive maintenance 1 year out of warranty. That's a great bonus, but it's not a reason to buy the car since most buyers typically have lots of money and dont care if they have to order a brake rotor from Italy for their Ferrarri for $12000. (I'm exaggerating)
But for this same reason, it makes an NSX an AWESOME used exotic buy. Which actually puts it within my price range. It's exciting that I could actually OWN MY OWN NSX, even though I have to worry about how much I spend on gas and how much I spend on parts. The M3 is the same, a reliable daily driver for awhile, but as it gets 8+ years old you have to really worry about expensive BMW maintenance, and it's not even an exotic. No thanks. I'll pass on that.
But for this same reason, it makes an NSX an AWESOME used exotic buy. Which actually puts it within my price range. It's exciting that I could actually OWN MY OWN NSX, even though I have to worry about how much I spend on gas and how much I spend on parts. The M3 is the same, a reliable daily driver for awhile, but as it gets 8+ years old you have to really worry about expensive BMW maintenance, and it's not even an exotic. No thanks. I'll pass on that.
2nd, you wouldn't need an 8yr old m3 to afford one in comparison to the nsx so thats out even though I doubt the nsx maintenance would somehow be under that of the M3 when it came time to get something fixed.
3rd, don't think the nsx is really considered an exotic.
06-22-2005, 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by heyitsme
It may be 90k, but if you add x,y,z it will be great at something? Sounds like a played out argument.
06-22-2005, 06:25 PM
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NSX turns more heads than M3....I would take NSX
06-22-2005, 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by NSX-Tuner
Wrong... try $80k new... list is $89k but they have been selling for around $80k new. And you can pick up a 91 low mileage for $25k.
Or an '04 leftover (not titled) for around $76k
06-22-2005, 06:29 PM
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Or an '04 leftover (not titled) for around $76k
06-22-2005, 06:53 PM
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One note about the NSX though. It's still beautiful, but Acura needs to either give it a injection of major HP or kill it. It's pretty sad that a new Toyota Avalon has almost the same power nowadays.
06-22-2005, 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by NSX-Tuner
Wrong... try $80k new... list is $89k but they have been selling for around $80k new. And you can pick up a 91 low mileage for $25k.
Actually, many do consider the NSX an exotic.
I like the car, but I don't see the value in todays market. Of course you can't put a price on peoples wants.
06-22-2005, 07:03 PM
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One note about the NSX though. It's still beautiful, but Acura needs to either give it a injection of major HP or kill it. It's pretty sad that a new Toyota Avalon has almost the same power nowadays.
But I do have to admit, after driving my NSX and then climbing into my CLS 6MT that's SC'd (305/262 WHP/TQ), I wish I had more power in the NSX. However, I hope to address this next year. Upgrading to a CTSC, 6 psi kit will make about 370/290 WHP/TQ or roughly 450HP at the crank. Then the car will be complete...
06-22-2005, 07:15 PM
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290HP my ass. Honda has totally under rated that car. I've seen dynos of bone stock NSX's with the 3.2L putting down 265+whp. Either it has a super efficient drivetrain (less than 10% loss) or it is under rated. I feel the motor makes closer to 315HP in stock trim.
Oh and hold off on the CTSC for the NSX. I've heard from a 100% reliable source that they are developing something bigger and more kick ass than their current NSX SC offering
Oh and hold off on the CTSC for the NSX. I've heard from a 100% reliable source that they are developing something bigger and more kick ass than their current NSX SC offering
06-22-2005, 07:27 PM
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290HP my ass. Honda has totally under rated that car. I've seen dynos of bone stock NSX's with the 3.2L putting down 265+whp. Either it has a super efficient drivetrain (less than 10% loss) or it is under rated. I feel the motor makes closer to 315HP in stock trim.
Oh and hold off on the CTSC for the NSX. I've heard from a 100% reliable source that they are developing something bigger and more kick ass than their current NSX SC offering
Oh and hold off on the CTSC for the NSX. I've heard from a 100% reliable source that they are developing something bigger and more kick ass than their current NSX SC offering
I'm probably going with the most reliable CTSC offering. I could go with the 9lb kit but would have to worry about reliability issues. But I def. keep my eye open for this new development... maybe I should give Shad a call. After all, I need to have CT do a baseline dyno for me...
06-22-2005, 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by NSX-Tuner
The 3.2L NSX may only have 290HP stock, but it uses its power very well. Car is deceptively quick. Stock NSXs have gotten down into the low 13s on the strip, but that's not really where it's best suited. On a road course is where it really shines.
But I do have to admit, after driving my NSX and then climbing into my CLS 6MT that's SC'd (305/262 WHP/TQ), I wish I had more power in the NSX. However, I hope to address this next year. Upgrading to a CTSC, 6 psi kit will make about 370/290 WHP/TQ or roughly 450HP at the crank. Then the car will be complete...
But I do have to admit, after driving my NSX and then climbing into my CLS 6MT that's SC'd (305/262 WHP/TQ), I wish I had more power in the NSX. However, I hope to address this next year. Upgrading to a CTSC, 6 psi kit will make about 370/290 WHP/TQ or roughly 450HP at the crank. Then the car will be complete...
It was a nice DYI project.
06-22-2005, 11:43 PM
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I jut did that with a comptech headers, exhaust, supercharger... The car feels like it's on viagra... It has a nice growl to it... I also upgraded the Wheels (18 for front and 19X11 for the back), brakes (Brembo BBK) and suspension (Tein)... The car is now a different animal...
It was a nice DYI project.
It was a nice DYI project.
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