holy shit!!! add this car to the list of cars that the CL-S cant touch without a supercharger!! Sport Compact Magazine dyno'ed a brand new 350Z and got 249 hp at the wheels!!!! good god, thats nice!!!! 287 at the crank and 249 at the wheels thats less than 15% tranny loss!!! too bad acura cant take some advice about their shitty trannies!!!

 

Man, sell your CLS and leave this board.

15% loss is what our 6MT loses as well :sqntfawk:

 

sorry if i dont live in denial of the fact that the CL-S is starting to fall behind the pack....hell, at least we dont have IS300's!!! if you wanna pretend that your CL-S is still current and competitive, think again my freind...maybe right now, its still in the game, but by next year this time, its out...with the 350z, G35 coupe, accord coupe, RX-8, EVO, G force grand prix, etc, etc...the cl-s is losing ground fast, its up to acura to give her a HP bump like it did to the accord!! 200 ---> 240 for the accord, how about 260 ---> 295 for the CL-S??? if acura doesnt do this, its "Type S" category of cars doesnt mean shit anymore

 

Uh if you bought the auto CLS to be "competitive" you were a fool. I believe most of us bought it because it was the best car for the money. It's a great car and it's fast enough to pass the average retard clogging up the road. If you want a sportscar, buy one, don't buy a CLS and try to make it compete with sportscars, jim.

 

 

G35 is a sports car? accord coupe 6 speed is a sports car?? 4 door or 2 door Grand prixs are sports cars???? not the last time i checked! these are all cars that are in our same category/class sure, maybe the 350Z and RX-8 could be considered sports cars, but everything else in my list were our direct competitors, and all of which will hand us our ass at this point. or within the next year. even the accord 6 speed should be able to smoke an auto stock CL-S (based on a 15% tranny loss for the 6 speed, the accord v6 should dyno at about 205 hp) thats more than most stock auto CL-S.

 

Hrmm, I thought the 350Z was a two seater sports car which would be closer to a Corvette. Considering the prices I have seen on these, you could pick up a Vette for less money (and better financing, 0%) and lay down over 300 RWHP.

Just for the record, I bought my CL-S not for the intention of competing with 2-seater sports cars. I bought it for the interior and exterior looks along with one of the sweetest V6 engines made (not to mention the slick manual)...

 

look, the point of this thread was simply to point out that the 350z is a very fast,(0-60 in 5.8) efficient (dyno at 249 hp) new car that is worthy of praise. thats it. and i cant help but feel a pain every time i see another new car come out, less than 7 months after i bought my brand new CL-S that can now out-do my car in virtually every catergory....even price as the base 350z is in the 26k range from what i recall...

im not trying to bust the bubble of everyone who loves their CL-S as i love mine as well.....i guess all this is just more and more proof that its time for me to shell out for the headers and then i will be able to stop bitching about the lack of power...as a CL-S with headers should be doing about 290 at the crank, correct?

 

350z, man. Try reading the thread title more carefully.

 

hehehe, i read it man, hell, i started the thing!

 

AHA! I was counting jim, yes i was counting the days until you was going to bring up another thread to bash the cls against it's competitors. I gave you a week! I was right haha!

Jim, you yourself look at the dyno numbers. For the z to have all of that power to the wheels and only accomplish a 5.8 0-60 (I hope thats auto), I am not impressed. Six speed CLS with headers/cai/exhaust/pulleys will do just fine against one. And if you think the z is in our price range than your wrong. The track addition z cost ass out with all of those options plus $2000 dollars over MSRP! Even with those CLS modds, we wont be near the price of a z rolling off the lot. Hell, I will take off my modds and just throw on the S/C and still wont be the price of the Z track model and I probably will be faster or par with the z.

 

Is this your new moto?

You're comparing a car that's 2 years old versus a car that's brand new and PERFORMANCE FROM THE GROUND UP.

Recite to yourself.....i have a CLS and it's ok because it's good car for what it is......

 

EXACTLY !!!!!!

 

244 hp at the wheels actually.

 

OH one more thing, to get the track model z with all options, I got $37,513.00 price tag. Not including dealer markups and the z being $2000 over msrp. IF you don't believe me, i created a monster right here--->350z

ANNNDDDD zapata is correct, the cls is can do very well against the competition.

 

you were counting the days, ehh?? hehehe, well thats pretty funny. im not "BASHING" the CL-S...as it is, i am simply pointing out more and more reasons that show it falling behind the competition....and that is not bashing, its simply fact....like i said i love my CL-S...but its getting really annoying to be falling behind the pack in a car that only a year and a half ago was the pinnacle of luxury sport coupe perfomance. when the 2001 CL-S came out, it blew away everything competing against it..now the tables are quickly turning

 

Oh yeah and not to forget the Acura 'Quality' and being almost maintenance and problem free.

OOPS oh yeah I guess our cars don't qualify as that either

Damn seems like I got screwed

 

Doesn't matter how many fuckin ponies your car has...or how much torque it has...if it can't put it to the ground effectively....who gives a fuck!?! Obviously, the Z isn't as much of a drag performer as some might think with the numbers it's putting up. And yes, the CL 6mt only does lose about 15% at the drivetrain...

 

I am not sure I am very impressed with 0-60 in 5.8 sec for the 350Z. I thought Nissan was talking about 5.4 seconds originally, no?

Anyway, with a stock CLS 6 spd you are near 6 sec (0-60) and you have 4 seats and considerable luxury, not to mention a smooth, quiet ride. Get better tires and you have a veritable sports luxury coupe that can still hold its own.

True the CLS does not blow away the competition anymore, but the competition is bringing out some expensive monsters to beat the CLS. The G35 coupe is a good example. But with equivalent equipment, the G35 coupe will be 5-7K more expensive (in Canada).

You cannot worry about all the new toys that keep coming out. Just enjoy your CLS - lots of people would kill to have such a nice car.

 

Well, I would hope the 350Z puts out some decent numbers considering it's billed as a freakin' performance car! Could you take the 350Z to the store and load up on groceries? What about taking your chick and a couple of friends out for a night on the town? Didn't think so... What about yourself and a couple of buddies out to the golf course??? Yeah right... The CL-S is a near luxry car, not a sport/performance beast. If I wanted a car like the 'Z' I would have gotten something like it.

Acura makes some good cars. And so does BMW, and so does Nissan, and GM... But WHY is the CL-S always compared against other cars, and always frowned upon in here??? If you don't like it, get rid of it and quit your bitchin'!!!



Ok, I'm sick and grumpy... So don't read into this too much...

 

FYI: So far the fastest 0-60 sprint recorded is 5.4sec, by Car and Driver. The fast 1/4 time is 13.9sec, by Motor Trend.

Those #'s are pretty good especially if you got the car for MSRP. But I'll wait about a year and get it lower than MSRP.

 

Well, 5.4 sec is mighty impressive. But as Scrib mentioned, comparing the 350z to the CLS does not make sense.

 

jimcol711, I think you worry too much about HP... i mean go get yourself a WRX, wait it doesnt have the HP numbers as the 350z.. so it must not be fast.

 

I don't care what they call it now, I wouldn't buy no Datsun.

 

Bro, falling behind???? What near luxury car has beating us badly over the last year? G35, well umm no, it is not much faster if at all. The Cl-S is as much in it as it has been the last 2 years actually. Anyway, not every1 bought this car for a hp # to compensate for whatever u are compensating for, it is a great car no matter how u slice it. Not to mention the 350z and Cl are 2 entirely different cars. You are makin urself look like a fool. Just stop, and bring this stuff to the Z forum.

 

exactly.......................too bad he Z doesnt even have a sunroof ...................didnt somebody dyno a 6speed w/ headers at like 240 at the wheels

 

The CL-S is very competitive in a straight line, but in handling/braking it is behind the competition. All the competitors to the CL/TL are going RWD. I dont see the CL/TL being equal to its competitors in terms of overal performance, unless Acura makes it RWD or AWD.

 

241 WHP with 800 miles on the car, 86 degrees and over 1000 feet in altitude (but that last one should be compensated for through SAE correction factors).

 

[clerks]try not to suck any nissan dick on your way to the parking lot, jim.[/clerks]

 

The CLS autos with ligher wheels, sticky tires, headers and intake will do around 5.8 to 60 on a 70-degree day...

The three cam lobes (yeah, I said three) has some advantage (and possiblities) up top and there is no doubt that the torque curve on your dyno is about as flat as one would want to get...

I know SCC sure spent some $$$ for the 100-octane in the higher HP run. Lucky you aren't running your dynos on CA 91-octane gas...

I hope people don't forget that the CLS came out 2-years ago, and was on the "lip" of the HP wave... There are acres of high HP autos coming down the line in all flavors.

The other consideration (for now) are the rather high quoted prices. You know you're in trouble when the Nissan salesperson says, "We've been getting a lot of calls and you've gotta get down hear fast... we already have a wafting list"


BTW, I do like the suspension details and underbody treatment on those platforms...

 

I certainly agree.

I have yet to do GTech runs to compare the difference on the new 6-Speed, not absolute but just the delta. But it'll be a while before I see a 70 degree day...

BTW, the ALDL (OBDII connector but I still refer to it as what I learned on) on the '03 6-Speed is not under the coin tray but at the driver’s knee...

About the octane, yes, I am so glad. GA has one of the lowest (if not the lowest) gas prices. Add to that the abundance of 93 octane, we are set. Having Colonial Pipeline come up through the state helps IMO.

 

In addition, I do love how people like to spout off mag times, etc. When they base their buying decision on these same mags is simply ignorance. But yet these same people never take it to the track

Most often I hear the remarks of 'I have it if I need it', but if you never use it. what good is it??

There are far too many bench racers on this board, among others. I suggest that before one comments that they actually run the car hard. And I'm not talking about stoplight-to-stoplight, but hard core running for 30+ minutes with the heart rate over 140 for that entire time...

 

Finally here, I would propose that most here wouldn't know what it is to drive a car at 95% of its limit. Sure you have squealed the tires a few times but have you continuously pushed the car to its limit??

That is where you find significant differentiation between vehicles.

 

well said.

even with all the crazy backroads driving ive done i can say i've only pushed the car to its limits maybe a handful of times in the past year and change i've owned it. and with the swaybars and coilovers those limits are much improved from the stock car. and soon there will be stickier tires on her. it's unbelievable how well the car can handle when it's dropped a couple inches and stiffened up a bit.

 

Sorry scalbert and JRock, but while I respect your opinions I have to respectfully disagree.

Cars like the CLS are not meant to be raced around the streets or on a track or to be constantly pushed to their limits (certainly not for 1/2 an hour straight). These cars provide a combination of performance and luxury that will stimulate our senses and enhance the overall driving experience. I definitely do not need a 260 HP, 6spd sport coupe for 99% of my driving. But once in a while, when I pass someone or when I am alone on a road I like to open it up a little and just feel the power and the response of manual transmission. You simply cannot get the same driving experience out of a Camry, even though the Camry would serve my needs most of the time.

To go a step further, the only reason I have a manual (auto tranny nightmares aside ) is because I like the control and sensation it provides. Performance is a very distant second. My wife almost killed me when I bought a manual and she still cannot understand why I need a stick in such a high-end car.

 

Absolutely, and that was the point in a different fashion. Why even start comparing the performance of cars when the potential is never utilized.

This is a great car and the manual option just makes it better (although my wife was welcoming the manual, her car is a manual...). The comparison to other cars, particularly one's that are in the same league, is pointless. Now if the car is taken to the track or driven hard, the extreme comparisons have more meaning.

Just IMO...

 

Have you been to a road course? If you havent, you are not anywhere near driving your car at 95% of its limit. The figure is probably about 50%. The tires squeel a lot easier on public roads because they arent warmed up for maximimum grip. You cannot drive your car to its true limits on public roads, unless you have a death wish.

 

I think NISSAN did a very good job with this car. Even if u put all the bolt-ons on a CL-S u wont get anywhere near 13.9 at 102 with a 0-60 of 5.4sec. Check out the latest magz. This car is a two seater so we shouldnt compare the CL-S with this car. This car is built for the Boxter S and the S2000 and they should be worried now. It's putting better numbers to the wheels than the Mustang GT 4.6 V8 engine!!!!!!!!. U should give credit to NISSAN for building this nice car. And u guys shouldnt be defensive, we are talking about cars here, and everyone have his own opinion. I like the G35 more anyways, but the Z350 is for sure faster.


NOTE: if u want to imagine this car, think of it this way. WRX lunch and Boxster S top end.

 

Road Atlanta...

I almost snuck onto Atlanta Motor Speedway, but of course that isn't a Road Course. Also, I didn't feel like going to jail.

But true, you can't approach the limit on standard public roads. But I assure you there are some in the mountains north of here where you can push it close to the limit. But you had better not loose it as there is no run off areas...

 

U have the brain cells of a glass of bottled water.

I am not impressed with a 0-60 5.4-5.6 (what I've read) time with the manual. Considering most will be autos, your looking at a 6.0 sec SPORTS car

The old RX-7 and Supra and Z all were AT LEAST mid 5 sec cars, with the Supra doing it under 5. I KNOW they were turbo cars, but they made a performance SPLASH.

THe new Z is making a PRICE splash, big difference. For 26-30k, this is THE NEW sports car to have. 30k and up, FORGET about it.