Your posting this shit and making it your argument, when I posted SLALOM numbers for the new 7 Series, and the AMG E55...and you said it doesn't count...your obviously biased, I just dropped that conversation because your way of winning argument is to make the other guy "tired of responding," to you...

May I suggest, argumentive writing classes...

 

And another thing, you suggest that the ultimate test would be for someone to meet you at the gingerman race track, yet you dont take account to the fact that your car is modified, which another CL-S member's car might not be, second, you have obviously been to a few track events they way you are talking, lastly, you know gingerman's racetrack while another member you called out on, might not...so this is a really biased and unsupported evidence, even if you guys decide to duke it out on the tracks...this is getting lamer and lamer by the minute...fawking gay...

 

Handling is probably better also than the Maxima?! lol!!!

It is WAY BETTER. lol

 

+1
(Trying to catch up with Silver, Siggy and Maximized)

 

LMAO

Least I had a somewhat civil conversation with Silver & Zapata. We came to an agreement. This is getting rediculous... At least they aren't taking some down right dirty personal shots yet...

Lots of different opinions. It's all good until it gets personal.

 

I argued over those SLALOM numbers because I know that a E55 AMG is a better handling car. You are biased towards the 745i, which is a good handling car, but I can argue that it really isnt that much better than the old 740iL with sport rims/tires on it. I know what that car can do and its awesome for its catagory (big luxrury sedans), but it isnt going to work a E55 AMG in the twisties.

As for me knowing the track, yes I do. Is that fair...not really. Yes my car is modded, but you would have to be a novice to come to the track without mods in a car like ours. I will meet someone at Road American in Wisconsin next year if that makes it more even. I have never been there before, so thats a level playing field. I dont want to come across that I have amazing driving skills, I just want to see what CL-S's have to offer on a road course. Too many talk in theoritical terms and dont know what they are talking about. Like I said before, its cheap, fun, and is the only way to really test out a cars handling charachteristics.

 

Please....everyone knows that the beam axle that Nissan used was to save money at the expense of handling. Face it the 2000 Maxima loses to the CL-S in every way, but take heart that Nissan introduced the 3.5L VQ to bring things close, if not slightly edge out the CL in acceleration. Handling is real subjective, to be fair, you must put the same weight and size of rim with the exact same spec tire. I mean I can use 16" Volks with wider profile tires with a soft gummy compound and you can use the same ones, but since I am going from a heavy 17" wheel to a lighter 16" wheel with more rubber, I'll surely benefit more than your Maxima would.

 

Okay because YOU KNOW the AMG handles better you are right and the stats are wrong. But then you throw the #s at us on the stats and telling us we are wrong BECAUSE we know the CL-S handles better. Geez dude, you just love contridicting yourself. Get a darn life and read some. Maybe you will learn something new for a change. Your opinion on this board is 0 and your rep has gone to shit.

 

My point exactly...

 

I have read of E55's running with a new 350z, S2k, and C5 at Buttonwillow. Lets see a 745i do that. The 745i is a great handling car, but its not at the same level as AMG. Thats what BMW M/// is for.

Russ, I havent contradicted myself anywhere. If you want to see definite contradictions....Anyone can go to Maxima.org and search your username and find numerous flames of the CL-S and how it sucks by yourself(when you owned a Maxima). I was just pointing out that both of our cars are similar in the handling arena. You read too many magazines and websites. You discredit my reputation over here, I dont care. Many on this board read too many magazines and have never been to a drag strip and/or road course.. Anyone can mod a car, its not hard. I can go to a couple differnet sites and mention your name and there will be a 3 page flaming(clubsi for example). Quit the personal attacks, you know your wrong.

 

So what if you have read about them. The tests are shown just like you proved to us the TESTS are shown for our car.

Sorry but you can't just say, yeah the Maxima handles better when it doesn't. Shit, I have proven that in Austin to many other members almost LOOSING CONTROL in there Maximas. You ruined your own rep here, not me. We read too many magazines? You are the one who brought in the Magazines here, we are the ones who put real world results. Alot of people have been to the dragstrip here, probably more than max.org. I see more posts here about hey I went to the track than I see in a month at .orgy.

CLUBSI is for low lifes like yourself that don't know crap.

You need to go back to your board of Maxima owners and keep your mind thinking its gods chariot.

Yeah, I may have made comments on teh CL-S, I don't deny that, but at least once I drove one the light came on and I wasn't blinded like most of you are.

 

Dude, I'm so sick of you bring that up again and again, as if your were robbed of 15 OBX HP or something

I'm not saying that the humidity sensor on the dyno machine was necessarily 100% accurate, but you're comparing to WHAT? WEATHER.COM??? It's fucking gay, it's a "prediction" service, it doesn't have 100% accurate values, it doesn't update them that often, and it DEFINITELY does it for one general area.

You think weather.com has a secret sensor inside your dyno shop that read 90%?? At best, it was the humidity predicted by some computer formula and trends from a reading taken at some meteorology station somewhere near where you live, a couple hours BEFORE you actually went to the dyno.

Ever hear of "You can't predict the weather" ?!?!?

Anyway, I'd trust the dyno reading a whole lot more than some ghetto internet prediction from somewhere "near" in the area (which might be 10-15mi away).

 

so since this isnt going anywhere, what do u guys think of the 03 cl-55 amg. 5.5 liter like 500 hp now thats a car. wait the dream is fading oh well.

Maxima = a nice sedan, when your done with taking your kids to soccer practice watch some nascar

ClS = A nice sports coup, for the price as every single mag who has rated our car has said, nothing is comparable unless u spend another 15k. Hopefully the 04 cls will beef up the engine but who knows.

as for mods maximizer or whatever your name is, you dont know who you raced had or didtn have mods. Stock vs Stock you got some better tires on us. When it comes to mods if you spend the same price on both cars you'll more than likely find that the CLS will outhandle your nice sedan.