Originally Posted by esco115

Mugen don't make cars so I highly doubt they will ever build one. They do add ons, just like NISMO is to nissan or Saleen is to Ford or Hennessy is to Dodge.

Regardless any add on from factory is going to cost a pretty penny on any car whether it has 90hp or 1000hp that was my point.

I really doubt they will be building anything Type R here in the states that's just honda honestly. Making a car lighter faster and all around efficient to a car enthusiast is just going to cost more that's the reality of the matter.

Originally Posted by esco115

Please STOP it before you make yourself look bad...

Originally Posted by The Dougler

I think the issue here is not the Si per se, but Honda's overall lack of ability or desire to come to the table with a power train that is meaningful in this day and age. The magic of the Si's, 'Lude's, Tegs, Legends etc we all founded around a power train that was at the leading edge of the given segment at the time. Looking back at the cars that brought us all here honda offered 2 things, a competent chassis packaged with an inspiring power train which today one part of that formula is missing. Looking to what the Germans and Ford have brought to the table in their 4 cylinders, DI turbos cranking out more hp/tq per litre then anyone would have imagined, the fact is these technologies are the vtech back in '93 and honda missed the boat when they made the decisions to focus on their hybrid power trains that aren't selling. Honda made a decision on ideals a number of years ago and stopped developing new tech for internal combustions engines, and this Si is the result of those compromises. I have no doubt that if you dropped the engine from the a4 or 328i into the Si it would tear up the streets. I think with Honda's recent announcement of it's return to formula 1 with Mclaren we will start to see the same passion into the next development cycle.

/rant

Originally Posted by The Dougler

I think the issue here is not the Si per se, but Honda's overall lack of ability or desire to come to the table with a power train that is meaningful in this day and age. The magic of the Si's, 'Lude's, Tegs, Legends etc we all founded around a power train that was at the leading edge of the given segment at the time. Looking back at the cars that brought us all here honda offered 2 things, a competent chassis packaged with an inspiring power train which today one part of that formula is missing. Looking to what the Germans and Ford have brought to the table in their 4 cylinders, DI turbos cranking out more hp/tq per litre then anyone would have imagined, the fact is these technologies are the vtech back in '93 and honda missed the boat when they made the decisions to focus on their hybrid power trains that aren't selling. Honda made a decision on ideals a number of years ago and stopped developing new tech for internal combustions engines, and this Si is the result of those compromises. I have no doubt that if you dropped the engine from the a4 or 328i into the Si it would tear up the streets. I think with Honda's recent announcement of it's return to formula 1 with Mclaren we will start to see the same passion into the next development cycle.

/rant

Originally Posted by esco115

The only reason why those cars were great at the era was because no one was doing what Honda and Nissan's SER were doing in that segment. So they dominated as you just stated. Ford tried it with the Escort GT and the Focus SVT and failed both times. Toyota was right behind them with the Celica GTS but wasn't as popular and the aftermarket world wasn't in they're favor really.

Today's Si has the capability to compete in its segment its ONLY real competition beater (to me atleast) is the MS3. The GTI, I have driven and the Si can out right beat it if driven well they both post similar times. Its just alot harder to stand out in that segment in todays era because everyone is reverting to turbo engines and I doubt honda is going to compromise the history of the Si just to please 1/3 of the enthusiast. Stock vs Stock its comparable, but once aftermarket kicks in then yes it will lose everytime because everyone else is boosted.

Originally Posted by esco115

I think you failed to understand the thread as a WHOLE! Please reread it before you make yourself look bad...

Oh and please tell what issue is it that your having with the K24? lol omg I can't believe I am even entertaining this...

Originally Posted by dom

I didn't Fail to understand anything. You threw out nonsense about 300 Hp at 20k to support your point. Its clear no one is asking for that. People are simply asking for more performance, whether its Si or something else. See Dougler's post.

The K24 is an engine designed for use in small CUV's and sedans, that's my issue with it. Only reason it's in the Si is because Honda had nothing else to use. It's a good engine yes, but not an engine that harkens back to Hondas history in small sporty cars. They could have done better for the Si, plain and simple.

Is this honestly your first time hearing complaints about the K24 in the new Si? You should get out more.

Originally Posted by oonowindoo

i think i said somewhere in the post that i was willing to pay more than $30k for 240 Hp, if they make it.


The issue i have is not with the 2.4 engine itself, but they basically move the TSX engine over and called it a Si. That is just not very "Si" to me.

They should have at least messed around with it a bit and make it rev to 8k.

Originally Posted by esco115

And what makes the k24 a CUV motor? Because the CRV is the first to have it? lol because the TSX was such a failure with it huh? lmao This is starting to be a joke for me and I am having fun with it.

Originally Posted by Ken1997TL

You come across at best as defensive. And worst, a dick. Tone it down please.

Originally Posted by esco115

Edit: this is retarded... Not going to waste my time.

Originally Posted by esco115

Ken, I disagree... Where was I defensive? He came at me trying to prove something because no one said what I posted so it has to be called out... lol

With you I was just being a smartass that's all, because in one of your post you said "if Honda not Mugen made a type R" so I picked at it, having fun... nothing more nothing less...

I am totally cool with you and everyone else here, never had an issue.

Originally Posted by brian6speed

I don't bother wasting my time arguing. Arguing is a sport for retards.

Originally Posted by cabanalane

I read the reviews. But I like your opinion.

Do you think the 2013 (9th Gen) Civic Si is worth it's name? Si have already meant something special in the Honda family. For those who have driven an Integra or ITR, how do you compare it? I don't mean numbers, but does it offer that same "Honda Feeling," you think?

Will this 9th Gen Civic Si be "special" 10-15 years from now?

Originally Posted by oonowindoo

1) i have had 2 S2000 i know exactly what they feel like and i loved everything about it. As someone already mentioned the comment was comparison between this gen SI and previous Gens.

2) I never bought an Si because it does not have enough power and it is FWD. If 2013 Si has all those things i said, + 40more HP + RWD. I will go trade in my 335 Tomorrow.

I do not bash Honda/Acura because it is Honda/Acura. Some of their products are just waiting to be bashed, which are direct result of their Stubbornness.

I have said many good things about the current gen Accord and i personally have 2 Honda at home.

As an enthusiast, Honda/Acura is just plain boring. As a family buyer, rest of the competition is catching up and Honda/Acura can only rely their past reputation for so long if they keep coming out with overpriced cars like RLX and ILX.


When a car is good, then it is good. When the car is not good, then it is not good. I am not a fanboy to any brand.

Originally Posted by esco115

what? Do you even read posts? clearly oonowindoo proved you wrong in one of your quotes. and yes no one in particular said it and i already pointed that out for once and apparently you still don't get it! You clearly have reading comprehension issues, as js + ms3 also agrees... Lol

and what makes the k24 a cuv motor? Because the crv is the first to have it? Lol because the tsx was such a failure with it huh? Lmao this is starting to be a joke for me and i am having fun with it.

I guess chevy should stop putting 6.2l in the corvette since the trucks had it first so it clearly doesn't belong in a car...

Originally Posted by dom

That's him disagreeing with me? Oonwindoo, please clarify? I said none was looking for a 20K Type R. He clearly stated he'd pay 30 which supports my point.

He also goes on to pretty much back up my point about the K 24 in an Si.

I get that your 20K 300HP Si post wasn't aimed at anyone in particular, I have issue with you making it to support your argument when clearly no one in this thread was even close to making any such suggestion, get it.