mystikk

You guys are seriously talking to a wall. All he's gonna do in Hyundai threads is shit on it, whether you all try to sway his opinion or not. God forbid you try to politely ask him about his mindset, he'll snap at you more anyway.

JediMindTricks

1. first of all, thanks for the update and review, PA. and i'll also be looking forward to a review of the coupe.

2. the car looks good. i am a little skeptical with the quality of the plastic on the center console. but i'll get a better idea/opinion when i see it in person.

the wheels...i hope there are upgrades.

but the exterior looks really good, in my opinion

YES. there are design cues or copies or whatever you want to call it.

if you have a problem with that, then so be it.

personally, i don't think it's that big of an issue because:

(a) what car companies aren't taking designs from other cars?
(b) they've managed to take cues from different models and made it into one cohesive design. it looks good and is pleasing to my eye.

3. the hate is strong with hyundai.

we're all entitled to our opinions. if you don't like it, fine. but what's the point in coming to a thread specifically dedicated to a car you don't like and being a PITA?

just please let those of us that do like the car and would consider buying it or recomending it enjoy the thread and not have to fish through useless posts. please.

i'd encourage everyone, whether you like it or not, to test drive it and then give a fair assessment because so far, only PA speaks from knowledge.

who's knows? it just might change your mind.

4. all this talk about hyundai not having a brand identity.

it's true, and i agree. and i'm sure the folks at hyundai do too and are working on it.

but to me, it seems like before branding a true identity, they're working on changing perception. and from this board alone (and this is a board full of car fans, fanatics, and enthusiasts), it has worked for the most part.

once they change perception and build more credibility and goodwill, then yea, maybe they will assume a more aggressive strategy and designs.

5. all this talk about "how can it be a luxury car if it's only selling for $30-40k" talk is nonsense.

as PA said, the car sold out for $50k in korea. and as he said, it's all about the market.

if hyundai sold this car for $50k here, people would smack the hell out of the salespeople. i've mentioned before in another genesis thread, acura, a "reknowned luxury brand" can't even sell their RL for $50k.

the $50k is like a hallowed pricepoint where you're up with the big boys.

so why not sell the genesis for cheaper, get more consumers in the door, offer another model for consumers? as consumers, don't we want options?

and wouldn't we want an option that has what we want? i mean, in the RL thread, all we here about is "No V8. No RWD. No V8. No RWD."

5. if i was in the market for a big car, i would DEFINITELY take a look at this. and it's not because i'm korean. i could care less what the brand was. hyundai, bmw, audi, honda, saturn.

to me, it's about a car offering what i want at an attractive price.

case in point. i would have never considered a pontiac. ever. until news of the G8 came out.

sorry for the long rant.

joerockt

Oh ok, so if a car doesn't look good to me, then I must be the ignorant one

And what about you? You've dismissed the 09 TSX without doing any of the things you just told me I should be doing myself. Lame dude...Hypocrisy at its finest.

dom

Maybe its me but I get the impression that you've completely written this car off moreso because its a Hyundai then because of its looks?



If you had bothered to read any of my complaints about the 09 TSX you'd have seen that none, (maybe one) of the posts complain about the cars looks. Its looks are hardly an issue for me. All my complaints center around the fact that the car, on paper is not much better than the old one. My main gripe is 201 HP in what will be a heavier car. Again, if you read my posts you'd have seen that I realize the car will be just as competent and perform as well as the current car. Which is again my main issue, no progress over the existing car. And that is what all my complaints focus on.

While I may be extremely disappointed in the TSX, show me where I said I'll never bother to even test drive one?

At least we can on paper at this point benchmark the 09 TSX. I can pretty safely assume that based off the numbers I likely won't want one. In the case of the Genesis, there isn't anything from Hyundai we can benchmark it against yet you've already decided, based on looks (and the Hyundai badge) that its a POS and its "luxury" image is questionable. Again, not sure how you can come to that conclusion.

SuperTrooper169

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FiveLiterCheater

I don't think many ballers will be ridin around in a Hyundai.

EuRTSX

Don't be so quick to judge.

I'm gonna laugh in your face if I see a Genesis at HIN with a VIP set-up.

srika

it looks like so many other nice cars, as seen above, just remove the badging and nobody will be able to tell wtf it is - they'll just be like, nice car!

AznX TL

i don't doubt there will be, it'll be right next to the integras with cl headlight conversions with lambo doors and a drifting 04 tiburon.

Walmart Gangsta

its a family sedan..not much more can be said about it

AznX TL

haha then you tell them its a hyundai and their face will change to a

srika

just don't tell em!

AznX TL

not all good cars are sports cars, sedans are great too.

dom

Exactly. What family sedan isn't RWD with an available 380HP V8.

The ignorance and badge snobbing is strong in this thread.

EuRTSX

charliemike

I've seen it in person. It's about the same size as a first gen Lexus LS.

charliemike

Notice that with the exception of Joe Rocket Scientist, it's generally the sub-21 crowd.

EuRTSX

TommySalami

I love the exterior. This thing could really go places

JediMindTricks

generally. he said generally.

joerockt

Interesting. So you're going to sit there and tell me there isn't a single car manufacture that you don't like at all?

And since when has it been a faux pas to dislike what a car company puts out? How many threads do we have bagging on Ford?

The hypocrisy in this thread is strong as well.

SuperTrooper169

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Jeeze I don't even get one compliment on my Genesis-chop?

EuRTSX

Good eye JMT. It appears that I fail at reading.

dom

Sure there is. But I won't completely cross their entirely line up off my shopping/recommend list.

The perception I think I'm seeing in this thread towards Hyundai was valid 10 or maybe even 5 to 15 years ago. There's no reason for it today IMO. Unless the badge bothers you all that much.

JediMindTricks

well, you're only 20.

it's no secret that reading is no longer fundamental with kids these days.

JediMindTricks

imaginary rep points ok?

joerockt

So you're saying you would buy a car from a manufacture you dislike. k...I've got no response to that logic...

sipark

Wow.. it's amazing what a couple of people can do to a perfectly fine thread...

Walmart Gangsta

doesn't Hyundai have really bad quality control...or is that Kia?....or are they the same company?

JediMindTricks

can't speak for dom, but i've never liked pontiacs. none of their models ever really appealed to me.

i didn't think they looked good inside and out.

but the G8's looks and specs have gotten me interested. i would certainly like to test drive one. and if i like it and am in the market for a new car, i would consider buying G8 even though i don't care much for pontiac.

dom

You're right. I'm done arguing with Joe.

Can't wait to hear what Adrealine has to say about his drive in the V8 and coupe.

joerockt

Actually, I think they're tied with Lexus as far as reliability, fantastic for them. But if nothing in their lineup appeals to me, then its somewhat of a moot point.

EuRTSX

We're no longer TSX buddies. A-Hole.



Just kidding.

sipark

Why wouldn't you buy a car from a manufacturer you dislike?

I have no love for Honda, but if I had to buy a minivan, I'd buy an Oddyssey over any minivan out today. It's the car that makes me want to buy it, not the manufacturer.

JediMindTricks

wait, come back!

otherwise i won't have anymore TSX buddies since everyone else is becoming BMW or infiniti buddies!

GreenMonster

I used to think that Hyundai's were crap, but from the things that they have been doing, my perception has changed...

Just like the perception of quality I had of acura changed after I owned one. My old Ford was just as reliable as my ohio built Acura...

dom

Exactly.

joerockt

Sure, I see your and JMT's point. All I'm saying is that everything in the Hyundai lineup dosent appeal to me at all (including the Genesis), and they still have the perception of being a low cost manufacture. If things continue to change for the better, sure I might consider in the future. But with so many other options out there, many with longstanding records in building a great car, in looks and reliability, its just difficult to consider a manufacture I don't have much respect for. Not sure why some people have a hard time understanding this.

Let's put this to bed. I don't hate Hyundai, I know what they are trying to do and its commendable. In my own personal opinion, they're not there yet, but they can only continue to improve...

Good luck to the Genesis...I am interested in hearing how the V8 performs...

Pure Adrenaline

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Do you actually know anything about the quality control process and what's involved? I'm not an expert by any means, but I think I might be more familiar than you are.

I extend an open invitation to anybody who has doubts about the manufacturing operation and quality control process of Hyundai to come visit the plant here in Alabama. I will even give you a private tour myself. Speaking of tour, we have tens of thousands of guests every year, and we are usually booked weeks, sometimes even months in advance. It's truly a world class manufacturing plant and you will realize that once you set foot on the floor.

The first year we went into operation, we were one of the top 10 manufacturing plants in North America. That's a huge deal for anybody, especially for a start-up company in its maiden year.

JD Powers & Associates awarded Hyundai the number 3 spot behind Porsche and Lexus in the Initial Quality Survey. That makes Hyundai the number 1 non-luxury brand (yes, the survey included Honda and Acura as candidates). So I would really like to hear about your knowledge and data on the subject, Walmart Gangsta.

Just because our model line-up isn't on your shopping list, it doesn't mean we are not making progress. You just don't notice it as much. That's all.

CGTSX2004

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A good car is a good car. Just because I don't like what a brand represents doesn't mean I won't consider their cars. Lately, I've taken a serious look at a BMW and a Lexus, both brands that I not hold in particularly high regard for various reasons. But logic dictates that if they have a car that meets my criteria, the least I can do is drive it and give it a chance to prove itself.

Quite honestly, my recent drive of the IS250 was pretty impressive in some respects but not other. Will I be buying it? Most likely not. But at least I have driven it.

Same with the 3-series. I hate the way they look, but damned if I'm going to allow that to get in the way of me driving one to at least get a feel for it.

Disliking the badge is one thing, pissing all over a car that you haven't even seen in person seems a tad pre-mature, don't you think? Hell, as much as I dislike what I know thus far about the 09 TSX, even I haven't completely written it off as a potential next car.