07 Z06 VS. 07 911 Turbo
02-11-2007, 01:41 PM
#82
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Originally Posted by srika
damn that RX7 sounds like its gonna be nutty! please post a writeup when its done! pics, the whole nine yards! thx
I have the following parts so far:
-LS1 with top end done, and a healthy cam!
-HSC GM Harness
-Battery Relocation Kit
-Modified Subframe for mounting of the motor
-Transmission Brace
-Steel Drive Shaft
-Fuel Pump
-Fuel Pressure regulator
-HSC Race Axles
-HELMS MANUAL-i cant stress how important this is.
I'm waiting for some other things as well. While the LS1 is out, i was thinking of freshening it up a bit. The top end has new heads w larger valves, rockers, pushrods, lifters and an LS6 intake manifold. The bottom end is still stock. I may pull the block apart and have new bearings and stronger rods installed, then button up the motor with arp goodies. I want to prep it for some kind of n20 hit, or at least be able to get more out of the cam by spinning it higher. There is a lot of work to be done, but thanfully there will be little fabrication needed.
02-11-2007, 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by JoeyASPEC
American cars bore me. I like the Porsche better. Anyway - anyone know the name of the song playing while the Porsche intro was on? I've heard it b4 n wanted to DL it but 4got the name...
No, but it was also in Oceans 12 so you might be able to check the playlist for the movie.
02-12-2007, 02:37 AM
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the song is known to me solely as: alech taadi - taxi chase scene (from the fifth element)
and here's a link.
and here's a link.
02-12-2007, 04:31 AM
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haha, just realized i put up the wrong song cause i saw the vid a little while back.
here's the right one. and it's laser dance off the oceans twelve soundtrack
here's the right one. and it's laser dance off the oceans twelve soundtrack
02-12-2007, 04:33 AM
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Originally Posted by goldmemberer
haha, just realized i put up the wrong song cause i saw the vid a little while back.
here's the right one. and it's laser dance off the oceans twelve soundtrack
here's the right one. and it's laser dance off the oceans twelve soundtrack
thanx for the link!
02-13-2007, 12:41 AM
#89
Originally Posted by dmoneyisfine
Im making another video (school related)
And that first song thats just music, what is that?!?!
I think its in like Oceans 12 or somthing.
But whats it called?
And that first song thats just music, what is that?!?!
I think its in like Oceans 12 or somthing.
But whats it called?
02-13-2007, 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Edr0e
Give me the 911 turbo plz or better yet a GT3 RS...
Game over.
Who cares about drag racing.
Game over.
Who cares about drag racing.
02-13-2007, 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by bigman
-HELMS MANUAL-i cant stress how important this is.
I'm waiting for some other things as well. While the LS1 is out, i was thinking of freshening it up a bit. The top end has new heads w larger valves, rockers, pushrods, lifters and an LS6 intake manifold. The bottom end is still stock. I may pull the block apart and have new bearings and stronger rods installed, then button up the motor with arp goodies. I want to prep it for some kind of n20 hit, or at least be able to get more out of the cam by spinning it higher. There is a lot of work to be done, but thanfully there will be little fabrication needed.
I'm waiting for some other things as well. While the LS1 is out, i was thinking of freshening it up a bit. The top end has new heads w larger valves, rockers, pushrods, lifters and an LS6 intake manifold. The bottom end is still stock. I may pull the block apart and have new bearings and stronger rods installed, then button up the motor with arp goodies. I want to prep it for some kind of n20 hit, or at least be able to get more out of the cam by spinning it higher. There is a lot of work to be done, but thanfully there will be little fabrication needed.
02-13-2007, 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by srika
what on earth is a HELMS MANUAL?
They are like Chilton/All Data, etc. Just another service manual for the car. Pretty comprehensive
02-13-2007, 11:07 AM
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oh i thought it was like, some kind of special transmission lol
02-13-2007, 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by bigman
Um....The Z06 is great around the track too. And unless you go to a track, when are you going to exploit the handling limits of either car? Other than some quick bursts and some backroads carving, you really cant exploit these types of cars on the street.
02-13-2007, 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Maximized
The Z06 is faster than the 997 TT and GT3 while still using leaf springs.
Both the 997TT AND the GT3 are quicker around the Nurburgring than the Z06. Z06 was set by GM's test driver Magnusson, so I doubt there's room for improvement on that one. The 997TT's time on the other hand was set by Motortrend, so with Wahlter Rohl at the wheel, it *could* be quicker (although I highly doubt it).
02-13-2007, 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Maximized
No it means kicking the snot out of the overpriced German and Italian competitors in their own backyard(Nurburgring). You obviously have no clue what you are talking about from your previous postings, so I am going to take this as a clear bias towards American cars.
They are PRICEY, but they offer many intangible benefits such as pure driving pleasure ane experience and stunning looks.
Brute force straightline power doesn't = a proper sports car. As evidenced by the herds of boosted neons and civics, turbocharged till their eyeballs bulge, that would take many a exotic in a straightline. A proper sports car is also more than just raw laptimes. I'd venture to say that a TL-S would probably post a better lap time than a MX-5 Miata, but I'd take the MX-5 in a heartbeat if I wanted a sports car. Don't get me wrong - the ability to go around a track quickly and straightline speed (relative to competitors) are key components of a good sports car. But sheer driving pleasure and enjoyment are also major factors of the sports car equation that are hard to quantify in numbers - and thus can tend to be overlooked.
And as you saw with my post above ^, the Z06 does not "kick the snot" out of 997TT and 997 GT3.
02-13-2007, 01:29 PM
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I'm not a fan of Porsche, I think the style is 
but that's just me...........
If a car company can come out with a car that fits my desire, I can careless about the name brand. Never got into Chevy brand but z06.......... I'd take that over any porsche.... well....... except the Carerra GT.
but that's just me...........If a car company can come out with a car that fits my desire, I can careless about the name brand. Never got into Chevy brand but z06.......... I'd take that over any porsche.... well....... except the Carerra GT.
02-13-2007, 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by vishnus11
http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...ID=0&tID=10073
Both the 997TT AND the GT3 are quicker around the Nurburgring than the Z06. Z06 was set by GM's test driver Magnusson, so I doubt there's room for improvement on that one. The 997TT's time on the other hand was set by Motortrend, so with Wahlter Rohl at the wheel, it *could* be quicker (although I highly doubt it).
Both the 997TT AND the GT3 are quicker around the Nurburgring than the Z06. Z06 was set by GM's test driver Magnusson, so I doubt there's room for improvement on that one. The 997TT's time on the other hand was set by Motortrend, so with Wahlter Rohl at the wheel, it *could* be quicker (although I highly doubt it).
02-13-2007, 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by vishnus11
Not sure why you feel that the German and Italian offerings are overpriced?
They are PRICEY, but they offer many intangible benefits such as pure driving pleasure ane experience and stunning looks.
Brute force straightline power doesn't = a proper sports car. As evidenced by the herds of boosted neons and civics, turbocharged till their eyeballs bulge, that would take many a exotic in a straightline. A proper sports car is also more than just raw laptimes. I'd venture to say that a TL-S would probably post a better lap time than a MX-5 Miata, but I'd take the MX-5 in a heartbeat if I wanted a sports car. Don't get me wrong - the ability to go around a track quickly and straightline speed (relative to competitors) are key components of a good sports car. But sheer driving pleasure and enjoyment are also major factors of the sports car equation that are hard to quantify in numbers - and thus can tend to be overlooked.
And as you saw with my post above ^, the Z06 does not "kick the snot" out of 997TT and 997 GT3.
They are PRICEY, but they offer many intangible benefits such as pure driving pleasure ane experience and stunning looks.
Brute force straightline power doesn't = a proper sports car. As evidenced by the herds of boosted neons and civics, turbocharged till their eyeballs bulge, that would take many a exotic in a straightline. A proper sports car is also more than just raw laptimes. I'd venture to say that a TL-S would probably post a better lap time than a MX-5 Miata, but I'd take the MX-5 in a heartbeat if I wanted a sports car. Don't get me wrong - the ability to go around a track quickly and straightline speed (relative to competitors) are key components of a good sports car. But sheer driving pleasure and enjoyment are also major factors of the sports car equation that are hard to quantify in numbers - and thus can tend to be overlooked.
And as you saw with my post above ^, the Z06 does not "kick the snot" out of 997TT and 997 GT3.
The numbers you posted aren't a fair comparison. First, look at what kind of tires the 997TT is running. Again, it's equiped with R compounds. On a short track, the rule of thumb is that R-compounds are good for 1-3 seconds. The Nurburgring isn't a short track, so who knows how much they are worth? I'd bet roughly 7 seconds.
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02-13-2007, 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by goldmemberer
the song is known to me solely as: alech taadi - taxi chase scene (from the fifth element)
and here's a link.
and here's a link.
thank you!
02-13-2007, 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by goldmemberer
haha, just realized i put up the wrong song cause i saw the vid a little while back.
here's the right one. and it's laser dance off the oceans twelve soundtrack
here's the right one. and it's laser dance off the oceans twelve soundtrack
EDIT: WOO! 500 Posts
02-13-2007, 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Beltfed
Hopefully you're a bit sharper when it comes to other subjects....but cars are not one of your strong suits.
Porsche 911 40th Anniv. = 2004
Corvette 40th Anniv. = 1993
That aside, I'll go with the Vette. The 997 Turbo is ugly.
Porsche 911 40th Anniv. = 2004
Corvette 40th Anniv. = 1993
That aside, I'll go with the Vette. The 997 Turbo is ugly.
02-13-2007, 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Maximized
Pickup the latest C&D and read the article. Also, remember that the GT3 comes standard with R compounds.
02-13-2007, 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Maximized
Who is to say that a guy doesn't perfer the brute force of the Z06? You cannot measure intangible items, so who cares?
Originally Posted by Maximized
The numbers you posted aren't a fair comparison. First, look at what kind of tires the 997TT is running. Again, it's equiped with R compounds. On a short track, the rule of thumb is that R-compounds are good for 1-3 seconds. The Nurburgring isn't a short track, so who knows how much they are worth? I'd bet roughly 7 seconds.
02-13-2007, 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by vishnus11
Any evidence that states that the Z06 was not running on R compounds. All I can find is that GM states that it ran on treaded tires. Additionally, Motortrend, who reported the time, said that GM was testing a variety of tires at the time the lap was done. I can't find anything definitive that says that the Z06 was running on stock runflats.
02-13-2007, 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by vishnus11
I'm a C&D subscriber, so I've read the article - the Z06 won by 1 point - a draw for all practical purposes. Not to mention the GT3 lost 11 points because of price.
02-13-2007, 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by vishnus11
IMHO the MX-5 is the one you drive to truly enjoy the job of driving - I'd venture to say that most car enthusiasts would say the same.
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02-13-2007, 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Maximized
Everything I've read stated it was a pre-production car on OEM tires. Logic would say the same given the numbers posted in the March 07 C&D test. The link you provided clearly states that the 997TT wasn't running production tires(Pilot Cup Sports). The GT3 comes standard with the Cups, which are R-compounds. Throw the same tires on the Z06 and it would have been significantly faster in the C&D test. Also, conditions play a huge part at the Nurburgring. Testing on different days isn't a true apples to apples comparison.
02-13-2007, 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by bigman
True, but what were the times? I dont know them off head. If it was a couple of seconds, then it may be more car than condition related. I am sure that porshce wouldnt test it's cars on a shitty day, same goes for GM.
02-13-2007, 09:05 PM
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I have no doubt in my mind that a Z06 on the same tires as a 997TT or GT3 will give a very good run for the money, if not beat the Germans outright..
02-13-2007, 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Maximized
I don't know then off the top of my head either, but they are in the link that was posted. The fact of the matter is the Porshces clearly have R-compound, which make a significant difference on a 9 minute course. I am under the assumption that the Z06 was tested on the OEM tires, which I can assure you will get greasy after they are punished.
02-13-2007, 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Maximized
Everything I've read stated it was a pre-production car on OEM tires.
Originally Posted by Maximized
Logic would say the same given the numbers posted in the March 07 C&D test.
Originally Posted by Maximized
Throw the same tires on the Z06 and it would have been significantly faster in the C&D test. Also, conditions play a huge part at the Nurburgring. Testing on different days isn't a true apples to apples comparison.
And again, there is NO evidence that states that the Z06 was running on OEM spec rubber. I don't disagree that R-compounds vs. OEM tires would make a helluva differnce especially on such a long course, but I HIGHLY doubt that the Z06 was running on stock rubber. Shave 7-9 seconds of its time and your in Carrera GT territory - the Z06 is a great car, but the Carrera GT is a Carrera GT (unless it too was running on non R spec rubber).
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02-13-2007, 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by bigman
Have you driven a Z06, it talks to you very clearly. I'm an enthusiast, i like the communication the miata gives when you drive it, it is a driver's car, but it doesnt test me. I like muscle cars too, but my kind of car is something like the 997 or the Z06. Both cars communicate very well. They both let you take them to the limit, and let you know when you are there. It's one thing to drive a miata, which is to me, very easy to drive vs a Z06/997 that requires finesse and skill. All three cars are drivers cars, but the reason the miata is so beloved, is because it can make most good drivers look great on the track. While a z06/997 can make a good street driver look like doo-doo at the track. Ive driven all three (997 non turbo) i like the Porsche and Z06 style of communication vs the miata's easy handling. The miata feels like riding a bike with training wheels. You'll never fall and its kinda fun for a while, but all the big boys are on 2 wheels going faster than you.
100%. Can't argue with that. Notice that I compared the Miata to a family sedan, simply to illustrate that there is more to a sports car than posting raw numbers. A 997 or Z06 is a MUCH more challenging car on the track, and is that much more rewarding to drive for a proper driver.
02-13-2007, 09:59 PM
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I didn't have time to read through it all, but all I have to say is.....
There's no replacement for displacement.....
BUT for the :tits: factor, I'll take the Porsche
There's no replacement for displacement.....
BUT for the :tits: factor, I'll take the Porsche
02-13-2007, 10:07 PM
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^^^ uhh.. ok.