bigman

All this talk about power makes me want to take my Trans Am out, but the Ice is falling here in Westchester, NY. Maybe I'll do some 4 wheel drifting in my jeep.

vishnus11

tell me about it Haven't been able to really open up the S2k. Summer tires = no driving in the fluffy stuff

Maximized

It's confusing, but I gotta believe that they were street tires. The Z06 is quite a bit faster than a 997 Porsche and they handle and brake very similar. The Porsche numbers clearly state "Cup" tires. I see where it can be confusing saying "treaded" tires.


Got a link to that test? I've never seen it. All the tests that I've read in C&D have shown the Z06 to be faster. Even in tests with foreign mags show the Z06 to be faster:
http://www.automotorsport.se/biltest...615/061501.pdf

The R&T article sounds bogus when you think about it. That would mean that it's also faster than the GT3 per other tests.


An assumption that we both cannot prove. I've seen videos of BMW testing in the rain. Unless you test both cars on the same day, it's not a valid comparison. I know for a fact that GM only had a limited window to test the Vette at the 'Ring.

There is no evidence to believe that it wasn't running street tires. The same could go for the 997TT or GT3. How do we know that the TT wasn't running a upgraded ECU or some goodies from the Porsche Motorsport catalog?

Maximized

Well it looks like I found the article you were referring to:
0-100 mph/ 1/4 mile

430 8.3/ 11.9
Ford GT 8.2/ 11.7
Lambo 9.2/ 12.3
Z06 8.9/ 12.2
viper 9.4/ 12.3
turbo 9.5/ 12.3

F430 1:17.4
Gallardo 1:17.8
Z06 1:19.5
Viper 1:19.5
Ford GT 1:19.8
911 Turbo 1:20.0

R&T needs to learn how to drive.....12.2 in a Z06, what a joke!!

Edr0e

No doubt the z06 is a great car, but i would rather have a 997 GT3 RS for the race track. The z06 is mass produced and is a different target market.

http://www.eurocarblog.com/post/344/...-rs-997-is-out

The Porsche 911 GT3 RS 997 is out. The most extreme of the aspirated 991s weighs 20 kg less than the normal GT3 and it has a "lose-ratio six-speed transmission with a single-mass flywheel", thanks to which it accelerates from 0-100 km/h in 4,2 seconds (0.1 less than the GT3), from 0-200 km/h in 13.3 seconds and it reaches a top speed of 310 km/h.

Other important differences: the rear is 44 mm wider, with a "wider track that not only improves directional stability but also increases the transverse acceleration potential of this two-seater coupe".

Also: the rear suspensions and the carbon fiber body components are the same that will be used by the GT3 RS versions that will run in Gran Turismo championships.

The colors: "arctic silver", black or (optionally) orange or green. Insignia and rims will be black or orange, to contrast the body color.

The price: 111.600 € + taxes in Europe (in germany 129.659 €). It will be available in the US starting from march 2007. Below you can find the full text of the Porsche press release.

A high-performance sports model for road and track

With effect from October, Dr. Ing. h.c. F. Porsche AG of Stuttgart, Germany, will be launching the new 911 GT3 RS on the European market. This purist variant of the GT3 is particularly suited for use on the track. The GT3 RS is distinguished by its performance capability and the unadulterated driving experience enjoyed with a racing car, but also meets all requirements for road-legal sports cars.

The exceptionally meaty engine boasts a displacement of 3.6 liters to generate 305 kW (415 bhp) at 7,600 rpm. Maximum revs are reached at 8,400 rpm. The power output per liter of engine capacity is 115.3 bhp. These figures correspond to the present GT3. But the RS puts in an even better performance. Thanks to a close-ratio six-speed transmission with a single-mass flywheel and the 20 kg lower vehicle weight, the engine revs up even more freely, thus enabling the 911 GT3 to sprint from zero to 100 km per hour in 4.2 seconds. That's one tenth of a second faster than the GT3. It takes just 13.3 seconds to hit to 200 km per hour. Maximum speed is 310 km per hour.

The reference "RS" will quicken the pulse of Porsche connoisseurs. Models such as the legendary Carrera RS 2.7 of 1972 and the type 964 911 RS (1991) were also sports cars that stood out on account of an extreme degree of maneuverability and handling. That tradition is continued with the new 911 GT3 RS. In common with its predecessors, it provides a basic and pre-approval model for use in a range of racing series.

One characteristic of the new "RS" is the body, which is 44 mm wider at the rear (a legacy from the Carrera 4 models) by comparison with the 911 GT3. The muscular-looking rear end conceals a wider track that not only improves directional stability but also increases the transverse acceleration potential of this two-seater coupe.

Despite its specialized body, the "RS" is 20 kg lighter than the GT3, weighing in at just 1375 kg. This weight-saving was achieved by the use, amongst other solutions, of an adjustable carbon fiber wing, the use of a plastic rear lid and a lightweight plastic rear window. The corresponding weight-saving is 4.5 kg/kW.

With a view to the registration regulations for the important Gran Tourismo championships as future fields of application, the road version of the GT3 RS has resorted to technical solutions that will also feature in the racing version. These solutions will include the entire wheel carrier and split wishbones on the rear axle, in addition to the carbon fiber components of the body.

And the interior lives up to the vehicle's sporting aspirations: 2 lightweight bucket seats made of carbon fiber composite materials come as standard and in the club sports package. There is a bolted roll cage and the pre-wiring for the battery main switch. A six-point seatbelt for the driver and a fire extinguisher are also provided. Internal trims are black, with the roof lining, steering wheel and gear stick trimmed in high-quality Alcantara leather.

The available finishes are Arctic Silver metallic or black; as an option, the GT3 can also be obtained in orange or green. All vehicle insignia and the wheels themselves are styled in orange or black to contrast with the body paintwork.

The basic price for the 911 GT3 RS is €111,600 (excluding country-specific requirements). In Germany, the coupe costs €129,659 including sales tax. The GT3 RS will also be available for sale on the North American market from March 2007.

bigman

Dude, now you're being silly. You are taking a limited number car meant for the track and comparing it to a street car with track capabilities. No matter which way you slice it, the Z06 is a great street car, designed to be fine on a track, but it is by no means a roll caged track animal like the GT3 RS. Not even the "Blue Devil" will be a full-on track car.

srika

yea, and id rather have an F1 car. thx

Edr0e

Haha yeah whatever

Its basically a GT3 with a few goodies here and there

Quote:

The GT3 RS is distinguished by its performance capability and the unadulterated driving experience enjoyed with a racing car, but also meets all requirements for road-legal sports cars.

Maximized

The GT3 could be driven on the roads, but it definetly isn't a daily driver. A bigger stretch would be the RS. They both come with R compounds, which aren't fun in the rain. You can drive the Z06 in all weather conditions. Before someone says snow, I've got two friends who drove their C5 Z06's through the winter here in Chicago on the OEM Goodyears. It can be done, but is a white knuckle ride.

Leo Type-S

i'd take the Z06 hands down.

cusdaddy

That car is more comparable to this:



And I'd rather drive this Vette around the track than the GT3 RS

bigman

I'm sure a rally built evo is suitable for street driving too, i wouldnt daily drive it though. The Z06 can be a daily driver, and is for lots of guys.

rmpage

Yeah, it's like the difference between a M3 and M3 CSL. Sure, you can drive the CSL to the grocery store, but when you drop a gallon of milk in the trunk it's going to bust through that nifty lightweight cardboard floor.

SanJoseRoller

i'v heard alot of horror stories about the C6 Z06 in terms of quality

roofs commnig off

brake malfunctions with ABS

motor problems

it seems like GM hit the nail on the head with the LS2 GTO, that car seems like a fairly well put together car with great interior for a GM product. to bad they stopped doing the goat cause pissy little kids didnt think it was "agressive enough"


all in all the Z06 this year is probably great, the first year had some minor errors, but hey... who doesnt

bigman

I am a regular on many LS1-LS7 forums there are maybe a handful of people with those problems. The problem with the Z06 is that it is such and amazing car that blows the doors off most cars on the road and people want to see it fail. So when a few people have a problem and post about it, the haters take the snowball and turn roll it down hill hoping it gets bigger. Every car has problems, some you hear about and some you dont.

daemonicus

will this thread ever die?

CLpower

I know many owners of both, the GT3 is much of a daily driver as the Z06 is. Hell, there are more then a few guys that drive their GT3's year round in the North East (snow and all).

srika

Just for sake of argument.. the GT3 RSR is comparable to that C6R... but not quite. The GT3 RS is a street car. So , its not comparable. On the other hand, I think the Z06 is "comparable" to all the 911 variants (at least the fast ones) just because of sheer brute force.

srika

Maximized

That's never going to happen on Pilot Cups. I'd think it's possible to drive one with snow tires, but not the OEM's.

cusdaddy

I know the GT3 RS is "technically" a street car, but I doubt anyone would suffer through driving it on the street. It's pretty much a purpose built track version of the 911, in a lot of ways like the C6R. The C6R is a more extreme example and not street legal, but the purpose of both cars is similar.

CLpower

well obviously. Do you think a Z06 could drive on it's stockers in the snow?

Maximized

Yes, my friend's dad did it for 2 years on the OEM Goodyears. My friend also did it with his 04 Z06. Both of them actually said it wasn't that bad.