Actuary

I hope I won't get ass kicked by a camry.

http://www.toyota.com/vehicles/future/camry/index.html

Honda should do better. Toyota can pull 22/31MPG out of 3.5 liter 268HP engine.

Shoofin

It ws bound to be posted sooner or later..

UCONNTL

Wow - Toyota's stepping it up, huh? With this '07, you may actually see someone under the age of 40 driving one and actually have a desire to drive it.

uu

heck, even the 2006 Hyundai Azera can keep up or even beat TL/CLS.

http://www.hyundaiusa.com/vehicle/az...rformance.aspx

263 Horses and 255 lb ft. 0-60 6.5 seconds.

Shoofin

https://acurazine.com/forums/automotive-news-6/toyota-camry-news-162235/

SPUDMTN

This horsepower war is getting a little bit rediculous, if you ask me. Sure, this equates to more powerful cars for less money, but for goodness' sake: back in 1999, the BMW M3 had 240hp. Now, Accords and Camrys are meeting and beating that number. The super-exotic NSX has had 290hp for quite a number of years, and now midsize luxo-barges are meeting and beating that number.

Will the next BMW 3-series base model be powered by a 350hp V8? What will the top-of-the-line vehicles have? Or are we reaching the limits of the 6-cylinder engine?

FiftyFive

wow that se doesnt look too bad

youngTL

A family sedan doesn't need more than around 200hp to get around and pass with authority. 268hp is ridiculous. Even the Accord's 240hp is a lot! What's next, 400hp family sedans?

West6MT

Definately an improvement in the styling dept. that is for sure.

Actuary

OK I can understand Toyota and Hyundai matching HP numbers.

What I don't understand is..... how can toyota pull 22/31 in avalon as well as will be in camry?

rezurex

damn... and i used to laugh at people ricing out camry's, now they'll actually be... fast?

stopsign

We already have Hemi powered family sedans. Hell, the new impala gets 303hp.

It's funny to see more hp in all these cars when speed limits arent getting any higher.

Expensive cars used to have power and nice interiors going for them. Once every car has plenty of power and a nice interior(Accord is a good example), then what will justify a 50k car like an Audi A6?

JnC

iTrader: (12)

Meh looks like a Corolla to me.

West6MT

It is getting to the point where there is a lot of power to the front wheels though,..........the impala is FWD even (according to the show I saw last week).

HAHAHAHA,.......nice avatar Jack n Coke.......LOL.

AS3.0CL

400hp V8 i beleive will be in the new M3/M4.

Black CL-S 4-Life

Not me I'm modded.

Black CL-S 4-Life

Are u nuts? I love this horsepower war, you can never have enough.

F23A4

....can't remember that last time I obeyed one of those on a major highway.


x 1,000,000,000,000

As far as Toyota's new Camry V6 goes, it's about d#@n time they brought the CV6's power/performance up to that of the AV6 and Altima 3.5. And I have NO problem with it being as powerful as the more upmarket sports sedans.

MaximaPower

watever happened to toyota saying that they were gonna stay out of the horsepower war??

but then again, i'm kinda glad they didn't....just another way to drive automakers to do better.....if u dont like HP then buy the 4cyl camry or the 4cyl alty or the 4cyl accord

no one's forcing u to buy a high powered family sedan...it's jus an option for ppl, like myself, who want the extra power

heyitsme

They really didn't get into the war, that just happens to be the lowest power variant of the 3.5v6 they have.

SeCsTaC

They should improve the 4 cylinders since most people buy the 4cyl version, especially camrys

MaximaPower

well they're 3.3 was perfectly fine...so why the upgrade in such a short period

M TYPE X

I have in-person photos from the NAIAS. The front of the 2007 Camry is ugly in person.
... but in V6 models, you'll only be seeing it in your rearview mirror before you move over to the 'slow' lane.

WATCHOUT SUNNY, GRANNY GOT DA POWER NOW!

bigman

Looks like toyota has a little mazda envy. And with both toyota and honda making v-6's, the potential for thses motors are endless. Honda is already squeezing the horsepower that bmw was squeezing out of the M a few yeares ago.

stopsign

The power delivery is very different though. The 3.2 putting out 240 had tons of power all across the rpm band, as well as 236 tq. What's worse, is that BMW actually did have a 3.2 in the E36 putting out 321hp in europe, but didnt bring that to the US because of pricing reasons. The 3.2 in the US e36 was more of a modified non-M engine so sad because I have one!

I have driven both the Accord v6 6 spd and the 3G TL in auto. Between the 244hp in the accord and the 258hp in the TL with the added weight, it really doesnt feel like the TL is any.. faster.

Honda needs to do better than a 14hp difference going from a 3.0 to a 3.2, especially with the new camry coming out with 268hp.

Shame we cant get the sh-awd and the 3.5 in the TL and a V8 rwd in the RL.

F23A4

Car and Driver's numbers seem to agree with your assertion. The last couple of issues featured both the TL 6MT and Accord V6 sedan 6MT and the acceleration numbers are nearly identical, with a slight edge to the Accord.

F23A4

Toyota leapfrogged Honda (J-series) and Nissan (VQ35DE) with their 2GR-FSE; this motor is a DEFINITE shot across the bow of both Nissan and Honda battleships.

MaximaPower

but nissan is already moving away from the 3.5....toyota's a lil behind in my opinion...nissan will be introducing a new VQ end of this yr for their 07 models....so we'll see VQ"37" while toyo will still b using their 3.5 for awhile

honda....eehhhhhh

SpeedyV6

Personally I think it's great that we can now choose from 300 hp LS1 Impala's and Pontiac GXP's, 280 hp Avalons, hemi powered Magnums, and 298 hp G35 sedans. They may not look sporty but these things will blow away most riced out Civics, Eclipses, and 4 cylinder Accords. Even BMW 525's and M-B E320's now have reason to worry when the mighty Toyota Avalon shows up in the rear view mirror, not to mention lesser Saab's and Volvo's.

bigman

I think it's great too that vehicles have more performance now than eveer. And the Impala's and GXP's have an LS4 not LS1

cM3go

I don't know about you, but that shit is butt ugly, I rather have a slightly less powerful car that looks great then that butt ugly slightly more powerful car.

demons rage

iTrader: (1)

rear kinda reminds me of a civic coupe... could be just me though

heyitsme

I think I would prefer a 6-speed v6 accord based on looks, but I can see Toyotas pricing of a 6-speed v6 camry changing my mind.

F23A4

True! Only this time, it looks like Toyota is now willing to go 'tit-for-tat' with Nissan and Honda......which means more options for us enthusiasts.

power3dfx

never thought i would see the day, but when the new IS came out, it became obvious as to what toyota will do in the future.
for lexus cars, since the IS has more hp than any other model they make, in a few years most of their cars will gain at least another 20 hp, especially the v8's.
this 'war' isnt that big of a deal. it was bound to happen and its about time. the tech has been around and now its being forced out. this means we will get better engines without an increase in price. this is healthy competition that benefits consumers, not manufacturers. and thats always a good thing (unless your an exec. for a car co.!)

MaximaPower

^^^^

so i dont understand the ppl who whine about hp

yunginTL

YUP (m5)