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**Must See, Regarding Aged Tires**
01-12-2009, 06:46 PM
#1
**Must See, Regarding Aged Tires**
Not sure if its a repost, I try to frequent Car Talk and have yet to see this video. I guess if it helps at least one person, its worth a repost.
Heard about this a couple of years ago and just saw this video the other day, figured I'd post it up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q29Mvpud-rw
Heard about this a couple of years ago and just saw this video the other day, figured I'd post it up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q29Mvpud-rw
01-12-2009, 07:11 PM
#3
Suzuka Master
That was quite informative. I am going to go check my tires date next time I drive now. Gotta love how the europeans are ahead of us on this and yet the same tire manufacturers don't say a word about it here in the US.
01-12-2009, 07:15 PM
#4
Hmmm... I see a few mods in here... is it too late to add a poll to this?
Question:
How many of you knew about this?
Answers:
I knew about this already.
This is new to me.
It'd be interesting to see how many of us know about this.
(You can delete my post after you add the poll if you'd like)
Question:
How many of you knew about this?
Answers:
I knew about this already.
This is new to me.
It'd be interesting to see how many of us know about this.
(You can delete my post after you add the poll if you'd like)
01-12-2009, 07:34 PM
#7
I'm surprised this many people dont know about it so far.
I'm pretty sure its been posted before since this is a car forum and this is old news to me. I just wanted to put it out here because I hadn't noticed it posted in Car Talk.
I'm pretty sure its been posted before since this is a car forum and this is old news to me. I just wanted to put it out here because I hadn't noticed it posted in Car Talk.
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01-12-2009, 09:26 PM
#14
Someday, an RS6 Avant+
Before I order my next set, I'll ask Tire Rack how old they are. I know they are reputable, and wouldn't sell old stuff on purpose (because it's their bread and butter). Plus, they pride themselves on being tire experts.
01-12-2009, 09:27 PM
#15
Senior Moderator
I heard this last year or the year before, but never saw the video. I'm going to pass it on to family and friends.
01-12-2009, 10:08 PM
#19
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01-12-2009, 10:09 PM
#20
06 WDP / 07 WDP Type-S
havn't seen the vid yet cause I'm on the phone, but the first 2 numbers represent the week # from Jan 1st. The last two represent the year
EX: 0607, 6th week of 2007; manufactured.
EX: 0607, 6th week of 2007; manufactured.
01-12-2009, 10:27 PM
#23
Old news for me, but nice to see a video
01-12-2009, 10:39 PM
#24
dɐɹɔ ǝɥʇ ʇɐɥʍ
Being in the tire industry for as long as I was I knew this and in my prime could translate the entire DOT code of my main brands without needing reference material.
This is kind of a catch 22, consumers demand safety, yet they also demand lowest price, in a case like this you simply cannot have both. If inventory is going to go bad, prices for everything go up, if manufacturers are going to have to eat old tires price goes up, putting the date code(which still is not federally mandated to be on both sides of a tire) on both sides would drive tire cost up, it may look insignificant but would raise tire price probably $2-3 tire. Further, the consumer has to be aware of it, and know how to find it, most people don't even know the size tire on their car let alone anything else. I think it is good to be aware, an ounce of prevention is better then a pound of cure, however implementing something like this would cost consumers millions they don't want to spend for extremely isolated problems. Operation of a tire under inflated can trigger problems like this and in the event of an accident it is almost impossible to tell if the tire was in fact being driven on with low air pressure or over loaded.
They are being a bit dramatic and one sided, but like I said consumer awareness is very important and no harm can come from people knowing more. The DOT number is typically mounted on the inside to protect it, people tend to curb and damage the outer side wall in the event the tire needs to be investigated the DOT number has to be there. Sometime around 2004 they required the first parts of the DOT number to be on both sides of the tire, yet the date code was required to be on only one side, though some manufacturers put it on both at that time.
Another item that most people don't know is every tire is suppose to be registered in this country, so in the event of a recall they can notify the owners. When you purchase tires you are suppose to get a little card that has the tire size, make, model and DOT number on, include all the owners information and send it in. How many have done that? Tire dealers can be fined on ever instances they have not furnished the card with the tires information, but mailing it is up to the consumer.
One last thing and I'll shut up, check all of your tires, it is common to have tires of the same make/model and size come from different plants or have different dates.
This is kind of a catch 22, consumers demand safety, yet they also demand lowest price, in a case like this you simply cannot have both. If inventory is going to go bad, prices for everything go up, if manufacturers are going to have to eat old tires price goes up, putting the date code(which still is not federally mandated to be on both sides of a tire) on both sides would drive tire cost up, it may look insignificant but would raise tire price probably $2-3 tire. Further, the consumer has to be aware of it, and know how to find it, most people don't even know the size tire on their car let alone anything else. I think it is good to be aware, an ounce of prevention is better then a pound of cure, however implementing something like this would cost consumers millions they don't want to spend for extremely isolated problems. Operation of a tire under inflated can trigger problems like this and in the event of an accident it is almost impossible to tell if the tire was in fact being driven on with low air pressure or over loaded.
They are being a bit dramatic and one sided, but like I said consumer awareness is very important and no harm can come from people knowing more. The DOT number is typically mounted on the inside to protect it, people tend to curb and damage the outer side wall in the event the tire needs to be investigated the DOT number has to be there. Sometime around 2004 they required the first parts of the DOT number to be on both sides of the tire, yet the date code was required to be on only one side, though some manufacturers put it on both at that time.
Another item that most people don't know is every tire is suppose to be registered in this country, so in the event of a recall they can notify the owners. When you purchase tires you are suppose to get a little card that has the tire size, make, model and DOT number on, include all the owners information and send it in. How many have done that? Tire dealers can be fined on ever instances they have not furnished the card with the tires information, but mailing it is up to the consumer.
One last thing and I'll shut up, check all of your tires, it is common to have tires of the same make/model and size come from different plants or have different dates.
01-13-2009, 10:30 AM
#26
I drive a Subata.
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cliff? please?
01-13-2009, 12:56 PM
#30
Senior Moderator
Being in the tire industry for as long as I was I knew this and in my prime could translate the entire DOT code of my main brands without needing reference material.
This is kind of a catch 22, consumers demand safety, yet they also demand lowest price, in a case like this you simply cannot have both. If inventory is going to go bad, prices for everything go up, if manufacturers are going to have to eat old tires price goes up, putting the date code(which still is not federally mandated to be on both sides of a tire) on both sides would drive tire cost up, it may look insignificant but would raise tire price probably $2-3 tire. Further, the consumer has to be aware of it, and know how to find it, most people don't even know the size tire on their car let alone anything else. I think it is good to be aware, an ounce of prevention is better then a pound of cure, however implementing something like this would cost consumers millions they don't want to spend for extremely isolated problems. Operation of a tire under inflated can trigger problems like this and in the event of an accident it is almost impossible to tell if the tire was in fact being driven on with low air pressure or over loaded.
They are being a bit dramatic and one sided, but like I said consumer awareness is very important and no harm can come from people knowing more. The DOT number is typically mounted on the inside to protect it, people tend to curb and damage the outer side wall in the event the tire needs to be investigated the DOT number has to be there. Sometime around 2004 they required the first parts of the DOT number to be on both sides of the tire, yet the date code was required to be on only one side, though some manufacturers put it on both at that time.
Another item that most people don't know is every tire is suppose to be registered in this country, so in the event of a recall they can notify the owners. When you purchase tires you are suppose to get a little card that has the tire size, make, model and DOT number on, include all the owners information and send it in. How many have done that? Tire dealers can be fined on ever instances they have not furnished the card with the tires information, but mailing it is up to the consumer.
One last thing and I'll shut up, check all of your tires, it is common to have tires of the same make/model and size come from different plants or have different dates.
This is kind of a catch 22, consumers demand safety, yet they also demand lowest price, in a case like this you simply cannot have both. If inventory is going to go bad, prices for everything go up, if manufacturers are going to have to eat old tires price goes up, putting the date code(which still is not federally mandated to be on both sides of a tire) on both sides would drive tire cost up, it may look insignificant but would raise tire price probably $2-3 tire. Further, the consumer has to be aware of it, and know how to find it, most people don't even know the size tire on their car let alone anything else. I think it is good to be aware, an ounce of prevention is better then a pound of cure, however implementing something like this would cost consumers millions they don't want to spend for extremely isolated problems. Operation of a tire under inflated can trigger problems like this and in the event of an accident it is almost impossible to tell if the tire was in fact being driven on with low air pressure or over loaded.
They are being a bit dramatic and one sided, but like I said consumer awareness is very important and no harm can come from people knowing more. The DOT number is typically mounted on the inside to protect it, people tend to curb and damage the outer side wall in the event the tire needs to be investigated the DOT number has to be there. Sometime around 2004 they required the first parts of the DOT number to be on both sides of the tire, yet the date code was required to be on only one side, though some manufacturers put it on both at that time.
Another item that most people don't know is every tire is suppose to be registered in this country, so in the event of a recall they can notify the owners. When you purchase tires you are suppose to get a little card that has the tire size, make, model and DOT number on, include all the owners information and send it in. How many have done that? Tire dealers can be fined on ever instances they have not furnished the card with the tires information, but mailing it is up to the consumer.
One last thing and I'll shut up, check all of your tires, it is common to have tires of the same make/model and size come from different plants or have different dates.
with every thing here. Well put. And yes, i knew about this.
01-13-2009, 01:08 PM
#31
The sizzle in the Steak
TireRack has a page about this:
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tirete....jsp?techid=11
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tirete....jsp?techid=11
01-13-2009, 01:15 PM
#32
Senior Moderator
As of June 2, 2008 SRS has documented 159 incidents in which tires older than six years experienced tread / belt separations—most resulting in loss-of-control crashes. These incidents were the cause of 128 fatalities and 168 injuries. We have also included an additional 10 cases involving tires older than five years at the time of failure (half of which were more than five-and-a-half years old at the time of failure). These 10 incidents account for an additional 14 fatalities and 24 injuries. This list represents incidents that SRS has identified primarily through a survey of litigation, which is one of the only publicly available sources of these incidents.
Hmm.Is that considered a lot?
01-13-2009, 01:39 PM
#34
Senior Moderator
01-13-2009, 04:12 PM
#40
dɐɹɔ ǝɥʇ ʇɐɥʍ
It is interesting, however that is only one side of the story, how many of those old tires were wore beyond their legal limit(2/32)? I would suspect greater then half of them. This information does not take into account the tread depth of the tire in question, it is VERY common to see this when a tire become low on tread or if the tires were being driven on under inflated at the time of the accident or had been at any time before. When a tire is driven flat or low, even for very short distances, it ca permanently damage the tire.
Another big problem is the tire installers themselves, most are clueless clock punchers who don't know or care. This again is a product of the industry itself, highly skilled individuals are typically smart enough to care move on, sadly.