Nikon D80
Nikon D80
So this camera seems the ideal choice for me. Features, quality and price are all what I'm looking for in a SLR.
Now I need the pro and cons from those who have more experience. From what you've all read and maybe have had first hand with the camera, what can you tell me? Is it a good choice?
Am I over looking something with the same qualities and in the same price range?
Now I need the pro and cons from those who have more experience. From what you've all read and maybe have had first hand with the camera, what can you tell me? Is it a good choice?
Am I over looking something with the same qualities and in the same price range?
The Sony Alpha and the new Rebel XTi are both in the same price range with similar specifications. I'd go with the Nikon purely for the ergonomics myself, but I've been using Nikon DSLRs for a few years now. I assume you've read and re-read the dpreview.com review of all of these.
Lens choices are good and the Nikon Creative Lighting System is really nice if you're going to get into flash photography.
Mike
Lens choices are good and the Nikon Creative Lighting System is really nice if you're going to get into flash photography.
Mike
Originally Posted by Dan Martin
Check out the Pentax K10D as well as the others mentioned. I love Pentax's unique lens lineup. That pancake 40 with the k10d would be such a beautiful walk-around setup.
The Pentax is one manufacturer I never even checked out. I'll give it a look.
I have always been a Nikon person so my response will definitely be biased towards Nikon. However, read these excellent reviews and decide for yourself:
*** The best review site: http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/d80.htm
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/D80/D80A.HTM
http://www.steves-digicams.com/2006_...nikon_d80.html
PS: I just got one for myself.
*** The best review site: http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/d80.htm
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/D80/D80A.HTM
http://www.steves-digicams.com/2006_...nikon_d80.html
PS: I just got one for myself.
Originally Posted by khiyal
*** The best review site: http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/d80.htm

Some curious observations of his 30D review:
Body Construction:
"The 30D is a well made, lightweight and reasonably solid camera that's the fastest in its category. This category, as defined by me, is plastic DSLRs. The Nikon D200 is as fast, but it's at the bottom of the sealed metal pro camera category and is a lot heavier and more expensive."
"The 30D is a well made, lightweight and reasonably solid camera that's the fastest in its category. This category, as defined by me, is plastic DSLRs. The Nikon D200 is as fast, but it's at the bottom of the sealed metal pro camera category and is a lot heavier and more expensive."
"(white balance) fine tuning is only deep in a menu, and setting a custom manual white balance is even trickier."
Or, you could just shoot RAW and not worry about it at all.
Shots remaining display:
"The bad news is it can't read over 999. Nikons will read "2.7k" if you have 2,700 shots left."
"The bad news is it can't read over 999. Nikons will read "2.7k" if you have 2,700 shots left."

Pop-up flash:
"Slow sync isn't available in Program mode. I think you need to use one of the idiot modes or Manual to get it. This is too bad: I always shoot my Nikons in Program, and set the slowest flash shutter speed to about 1/30 or 1/15 to let in ambient light."
"Slow sync isn't available in Program mode. I think you need to use one of the idiot modes or Manual to get it. This is too bad: I always shoot my Nikons in Program, and set the slowest flash shutter speed to about 1/30 or 1/15 to let in ambient light."
Why on earth is he using Program mode for flash work? He might as well just leave it on green box mode if he's not going to use manual. There are only two flash modes: regular and high speed. In some of the auto modes, it will choose a longer shutter speed and fire a low-power fill flash in darker situations. I guess this is what he's calls slow speed sync. In manual mode you get full control of the balance between flash power and ambient light. As good as a camera is, it can never be as good as your eye when deciding how much flash to use. If you're using flash, use manual mode. Period.
My biggest concern with the 30D I used was that its LCD's white-point was a bit greenish-cyan. This made it impossible to use the LCD for color adjustments while shooting. The 20D's LCD is smaller, but its colors are fine.

The top LCD goes to sleep when the 30D does after a minute. You have to tap the shutter to wake it up to see your settings.
Anyhow, this is pretty off-topic for a D80 thread, but this is the first time I've ever seen his 30D review. Like his other Canon reviews, I'd say he's pretty uninformed. He should read the manual that comes with the body, because most of his gripes could be solved easily. There's nothing wrong with being a site that only reviews Nikon gear. He should stick with what he knows best.
If you'd like an equally-biased site for Canon gear, The Digital Picture is quite good. He owns every piece of gear he reviews (practically the entire Canon lineup) and he's not affraid to say something is crap when it is crap.
Last edited by Dan Martin; Nov 20, 2006 at 03:44 PM.
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Originally Posted by Dan Martin
The bigger question is why is he adjusting colors on his camera? Who does that?

I know absolutely nothing about photography and even I knew you shouldn't be adjusting pics via the LCD. Thats common sense.
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How can that review possibly be taken seriously?
