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The G7 and SD900 look great! Can't wait to see how they perform.

 

Oh and the new SD850 with optical image stabilizer looks like a winner.

 

gawdamnit

 

:mutedlaugh:

 

Digic III will have to work it's magic on that one.

I'll be watching the reviews closely to see what kind of dynamic range they're able squeeze out of the handful of photons each photosite grabs. Each photosite on these 10MP 1/1.8"-class sensors get 22 times less light than a photosite on a 5D.

 

that sucks!!!! it would be nice to see them making efforts to increase the sensor size at all... wonder if they are?

 

I saw this news myself early this morning. I was going to post it, but I literally thought to myself "Nah, Dan will take care of it."

Personally, I find it interesting that they released Digic III on the P&S models first. I wonder if there are technical limitations that prevent them from applying the engine to DSLR sensors or if Canon simply decided to "field test" Digic III in the P&S market first.

 

That struck me as curious too, especially considering the recent release of the 400D. My theory is that Digic III would make the biggest improvement in P&S cams because of the improved noise reduction and face recognition AF. We'll probably see it on the next SLR (likely the 1 series) early next year.

 

dammit to hell! I just got the 700IS 3 days ago.

 

I thought of your thread as soon as I read the announcement today.

 

As soon as I read this early this morning I IM'ed Scrib.

Scrib: mother f'er

 

 

I'm sure the camera is going to cost a good amount hot off the press, not be available immediately and I wanted a camera to take w/ me tomorrow on vacay no matter what soooooo . . . . . oh well!

 

Your camera is just as good today as it was yesterday. There's really not a world of difference between yours and this one anyway.

 

Send it back. You should be able to after only three days.

 

I just had a scary thought. I really hope Canon doesn't use Digic III to raise the "native" ISO of the DSLR sensors. It can be plenty difficult as it is now to do long exposures.

 

Why would this be necessary?

 

I remember an article that talked about them going to native ISO 6400 at some point in the future. Not exactly ideal for astrophotography, but probably better for most of their customers low-light needs.

Have you done any long exposures with the 5D yet? I did a 30 second shot at ISO 200 last weekend and I was pretty impressed by the low noise. I would have done 60 seconds at ISO 100 but I don't have a cable release for the 30D yet.

 

I'm not at all even concerned with astrophotography when I think about long exposures. I'm thinking about things like moving water, blurred sports action on a wide field, and so forth. Try getting multi-second exposures at ISO 100 under anything but heavy clouds or gloom. You pretty much can't without a neutral density filter. Raising the native ISO would only make things worse.

The Book of Bill says if you want better low light performance then work on better noise reduction algorithms (in-camera or out) at the ISO range we currently have.

 

Oh, I see where you're going. The article I read mentioned using a radically different amplifier circuit on the sensor that would let them run a high ISO at the same noise as ISO 100 today. They said instead of "turning up the volume" on a native ISO 100 sensor, they would make an inherently clean ISO 6400 sensor and use an ND filter for anything lower than that. The G-series Canons have a built-in ND filter, but as far as I know, there's nothing fancy with their sensors.

 

wait a minute....Billiam has a 5D??? lets see some shots!!!

 

I like the retro look of the G7, especially with that ISO dial. I don't think that's really necessary, but it looks cool.

 

10 MP's!!! OMG THOSE GOTAA BE SOME RIDICULOUS QUALITE!!!!

 

If these things would only allow some sort of compression on their movies, I'd buy one in an instant.

What ever happened to innovation? I saw a digital camera a few years ago which had a cool pano feature where if you shot in say, left to right mode, it would show the right 1/4 of the picture on the left side of the next picture, to help you line up your next shot.

I want stuff like that. Stuff that makes it easier and funner to take pictures.
It's also too bad they took out the swivel LCD.

 

I like the way the g7 looks aswell, but it kinda looks like something out of a cartoon with the 580ex or that screw on lense mounted.

 

that was one of my favorite features on my G2

 

So, there's no answer to this direct question?

 

Do you mean why would it be necessary to raise the native ISO?

It's not necessary, but the main benefit would be reduced noise at higher ISO's. It would take a big change in sensor design to increase the native ISO without sacrificing low ISO noise.

 

Yeah, that was my question. If high ISO performance is already good, why would they raise the native ISO and sacrifice lower ISO performance? It seems that high ISO performance/IQ is Canon's bread and butter.

 

^Thanks for the reply Dan

 

They have some new technology in the works that would let them make ISO 6400 as clean as ISO 100 is today. That would be a remarkable improvement. It doesn't mean that ISO 6400 would be the max either, we could possibly see ISO 12800 or 25600. You could hand-hold a camera under moonlight at those sensitivities.

No problemo!

 

how about this - take all the best features of Photoshop - color adjustment, gamma, sharpening, etc etc and put them STRAIGHT INTO THE CAMERA. A mini-Photoshop, in the camera, with full customizable options - in a mini-mode. You can save profiles with all your settings and just pull them up when needed. You can add other software if you need, plugin-style. Separate memory card slot for Apps. Final touch - stamp the ADOBE name on it.

I know the D80 has some tools like this built-in - but I want the whole nine yards, I want friggin' PHOTOSHOP in it. thx.

 

As good as the processing power in digital cameras is, it'll never equal the power of a desktop PC, at least not IMO. Running PS takes mucho RAM and data crunching ability, and who'd want to PP on a small LCD screen.

 

I want the exact opposite of that srika. I want the camera to do nothing other than dump the contents of the sensor directly to the memory card. PC's will always do a superior job in processing images than an in-camera processor.

Edit:

You wrote this while I was composing my response.

 

and battery power.

 

SD800IS here I come! I've been waiting for a worthy upgrade to my SD300

 

Would you guys explain to me in what situration that I need 10meg pixel from a P&S please?

It is just a sale pitch, isn't it? I don't really need 10meg pixel, do I?

Will the SD900 (w/ 10meg) be more fuzzier than the SD800 (w/ 7meg)?

 

did I forget the red text again????

 

You probably don't, but let's wait and see how the new cameras test out. More MP gives you more room to crop, but doesn't significantly improve image quality over say an 8 MP camera. It may even degrade quality (more photo sites on the same sized sensor), but we'll just have to wait and see.

The biggest advantage of these new Digic III-equipped cameras may be lower noise at higher ISO's and better response/performance overall, not the increased MP's.

Dan, what was that you said, demand better, not more, pixels? Something to that effect.

I'll take 10 stops of DR and the better high ISO performance discussed above in future SLR's 8 MP's is all I need.

 

You got us on that one srika