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Old 10-12-2006 | 09:18 AM
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Thumbs up Canon DSLR Users: New Picture Styles Available

Unbeknownst to me, three have been available for a couple months, but now there are a total of five to download: http://web.canon.jp/Imaging/pictures...ile/index.html

These styles can be uploaded to your camera or used in DPP to develop RAW images.
Old 10-12-2006 | 09:30 AM
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Awesome...thanks.

One question. If I were to take two exactly similar pics, one with the in-camera picture style applied, and one shot with standard picture style. Will both pictures look exactly the same if I were to take the standard style pic and edit it in canon provided software?

Basically, if you are going to post process the image using canon's software, is there any advantage to selecting a picture style in-camera over selecting it in post-processing?
Old 10-12-2006 | 09:47 AM
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Awesome...thanks.

One question. If I were to take two exactly similar pics, one with the in-camera picture style applied, and one shot with standard picture style. Will both pictures look exactly the same if I were to take the standard style pic and edit it in canon provided software?

Basically, if you are going to post process the image using canon's software, is there any advantage to selecting a picture style in-camera over selecting it in post-processing?
If you shoot RAW and use Canon's DPP for your RAW converter, then there is no difference from choosing the picture style in camera or at the time of conversion. One of many reasons to shoot RAW.

Basically, DPP is a 100% emulator of how your camera processes images. It's very slow at converting, but as of now, it's the only RAW converter that is Picture Style aware. Other converters such as Adobe Camera RAW don't know you even selected a picture style at the time of capture. Hence, if you shoot with a Monochrome picture style and open the file in Adobe, the image will still be in color.

I still use ACR for the majority of my work, but there are a few times where I know a Picture Style will take a lot of effort out of post processing, so I'll use DPP in those cases.
Old 10-12-2006 | 09:49 AM
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BTW, I've just played around with the Autumn Hues picture style on some of my shots from last weekend, and it's very good. The colors really pop but don't look over-saturated. It's the most natural of the picture styles I've used for autumn shots so far.
Old 10-12-2006 | 10:49 AM
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Sweet! I'll try these things out this weekend... thanks!
Old 10-12-2006 | 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Dan Martin
Unbeknownst to me, three have been available for a couple months, but now there are a total of five to download


Dan's out of the loop!!!

The world might be coming to an end!! --- Take cover!!
Old 10-12-2006 | 05:23 PM
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Downloaded them. Thanks Dan.
Old 10-13-2006 | 10:05 AM
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I played around with them a little more last night.

So far I really like the Autumn Hues and Emerald styles, but Twilight and Clear seem a little too bizarre for me. The Nostalgia style might be cool at a vintage car show.

In the hour or so that I played with it yesterday, I found 3 old shots that I will be reprocessing with one of the new styles as a starting point. I can't recommend enough that people shoot in RAW mode whenever possible. It's amazing to be able to go through the last 3 years of images I've captured in RAW and apply these new settings to them to see what they would look like. It would take months to do the same thing with JPG's.
Old 10-13-2006 | 10:09 AM
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Hey Dan, how about you share some before and after pics?
Old 10-13-2006 | 10:30 AM
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Hey Dan, how about you share some before and after pics?
Sure, I've got a busy weekend ahead of me, but when I get some time, I'll reprocess an old shot with one of the new styles and post it here.
Old 10-13-2006 | 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Dan Martin
Sure, I've got a busy weekend ahead of me, but when I get some time, I'll reprocess an old shot with one of the new styles and post it here.
Cool, thanks....
Old 10-13-2006 | 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Dan Martin
Sure, I've got a busy weekend ahead of me,



BTW - Never knew these things existed. Thanks.
Old 10-13-2006 | 11:38 AM
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Cool, thanks....
I found a RAW file on my laptop and applied all the picture styles to it and created this ani-gif. It's 1.78MB so it might take a while to download:



GIFs have dreadful color reproduction so as just a demonstration. The colors are much better in the original TIFFs.
Old 10-13-2006 | 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by dom



BTW - Never knew these things existed. Thanks.
Oh no, it's started already!
Old 10-13-2006 | 01:42 PM
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Check this out:


That's a screenshot of the folder I used to make that above animation. All of the JPG's came from the same RAW file, yet their size changes quite a bit depending on what picture style was used. I wasn't expexting that, and don't really have any way of explaining it. Monochrome should be easier to compress, but why would Twilight be 1MB larger than Neutral?

Old 10-13-2006 | 02:50 PM
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So what software allows you to add those effects to the pics? I'm a post processing noob.
Old 10-13-2006 | 02:54 PM
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So what software allows you to add those effects to the pics? I'm a post processing noob.
Canon's Digital Photo Professional (a.k.a. DPP).

It's on the CD that came with your camera.
Old 10-15-2006 | 03:06 PM
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The "Autumn Hues" style should come in very handy for the pics I took today. Can't wait to try it out! Thanks for the link!
Old 10-15-2006 | 03:12 PM
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Nevermind, doesn't look like it works with the old XT. I think the camera has to have the Picture Styles in the body...not just DPP. Ah well.
Old 10-15-2006 | 05:07 PM
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The picture styles in DPP should work fine. I've been able to use the picture styles for my old 300D.

They also show some sample shots on their website taken with the 1DsMKII which doesn't support picture styles.
Old 10-15-2006 | 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Dan Martin
Check this out:


That's a screenshot of the folder I used to make that above animation. All of the JPG's came from the same RAW file, yet their size changes quite a bit depending on what picture style was used. I wasn't expexting that, and don't really have any way of explaining it. Monochrome should be easier to compress, but why would Twilight be 1MB larger than Neutral?

I like twilight the best, figures its the biggest too

now, I wish your GIF moved slower so I could look at each picture for longer than .2 seconds at a time!
Old 10-15-2006 | 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Dan Martin
why would Twilight be 1MB larger than Neutral?
perhaps it added some noise to the pic? also it has more color information?
Old 10-15-2006 | 07:22 PM
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perhaps it added some noise to the pic? also it has more color information?
What's weird about that is the RAW data from the camera for that file is 9.4mb. It somehow added more data than was originally there.
Old 10-16-2006 | 01:04 AM
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What's weird about that is the RAW data from the camera for that file is 9.4mb. It somehow added more data than was originally there.
Ive seen that b4 with filters that add noise/sharpening, to name 2 instances. See this a lot after running sharpen with Noise Ninja. It makes sense because more noise = more pixels = more data. And Im sure you already know this but, JPG compression can vary greatly depending on colors used in the pic. Take a look at these 2 pics - same scene, same JPG compression, just different lighting therefore different pixel information:

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http://srika.com/img/090906_im_vision/DSC_0823_f.jpg

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http://srika.com/img/090906_im_vision/DSC_0826_f.jpg

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Old 10-16-2006 | 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by srika
Ive seen that b4 with filters that add noise/sharpening, to name 2 instances. See this a lot after running sharpen with Noise Ninja. It makes sense because more noise = more pixels = more data. And Im sure you already know this but, JPG compression can vary greatly depending on colors used in the pic. Take a look at these 2 pics - same scene, same JPG compression, just different lighting therefore different pixel information:

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http://srika.com/img/090906_im_vision/DSC_0823_f.jpg

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http://srika.com/img/090906_im_vision/DSC_0826_f.jpg
Noise will certainly make file sizes bigger because it's harder to compress a noisy image than it is a clean one. It's not that there's more pixels, just more pixels that contain different information rather than uniform color patches that can be easily compressed. For what it's worth, I haven't seen any extra noise with any of these picture styles, just a different tone curve. The other thing is the RAW file is essentially a 12-bit file and these JPG's are only 8-bit, which should mean the JPG's are substantially smaller.

My only guess is I saved them as JPEG quality level 12 when i saved them in Photoshop. I really have no idea what any of the levels above 10 do, but they must add some extra data.

Anyhow, the file sizes were just a curious observation.
Old 10-16-2006 | 12:22 PM
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yeah - RAW should technically be the "highest" filesize, eh..
Old 10-22-2006 | 05:19 PM
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Here is a before and after:

Before:
http://www.bboyhp.com/autb.jpg
After:
http://www.bboyhp.com/auta.jpg
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