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Old Sep 28, 2006 | 10:13 AM
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Anyone shoot HDR?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/acurazinedan/254552963/
Just playing around with a new HDR technique...

This is 9 exposures blended to make a 15-bit TIFF, then developed in Photoshop. All you do in the field is compose the scene and take about 9 shots ranging from 4 stops under to 4 stops over. Once you have the blended image in Photoshop, you then get to chose the exposure for each part of the scene. It's a radically different approach than conventional photography. Not only is this technique more forgiving than a single exposure, it allows you to create otherwise impossible shots. You can extract detail from the brightest clouds and darkest shadows in the same scene. Detail that would otherwise be lost in a conventional photograph.

It takes hours to process a shot this way, but it can make for an interesting effect. The resulting 275MB file is extremely noise-free and has a fine art look. I feel confident that this file could be enlarged to any size I could possibly desire. It may not have the detail that a MF back can produce, but there are no artifacts to detract from the picture.


So has anyone else here done any HDR exposures before? If so, what was your technique?
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Old Sep 28, 2006 | 10:19 AM
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That is pretty cool, I have not tried it but I will now.
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Old Sep 28, 2006 | 10:30 AM
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You should! If anything, it would be an excuse to go and take some pictures.

I think I will use it for B&W shots more than color because the lack of noise and beautiful tonality make for a fantastic B&W print.
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Old Sep 28, 2006 | 10:33 AM
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can u post the same shot without employing this procedure? just curious how differnt it will be.
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Old Sep 28, 2006 | 10:35 AM
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I only took 3 HDR shots last night because of the stormy weather, but here's an example of the tonality you can in a B&W:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/acurazinedan/254504299/
Admitedly, I did a rush job of this conversion, but you can still get an idea of the quality in the dark tones.
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Old Sep 28, 2006 | 10:35 AM
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D,

I want to make sure I'm reading this right. Take 9 separate shot at different exposures and then merge them in photoshop?
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Old Sep 28, 2006 | 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Dan Martin
I only took 3 HDR shots last night because of the stormy weather, but here's an example of the tonality you can in a B&W:


Admitedly, I did a rush job of this conversion, but you can still get an idea of the quality in the dark tones.

thats awesome. I personally prefer it to the first shot.
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Old Sep 28, 2006 | 10:39 AM
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Isn't this like the digital version of the zone system that Ansel Adams used?
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Old Sep 28, 2006 | 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by fdl
can u post the same shot without employing this procedure? just curious how differnt it will be.
SS asked the same thing, and I'll have to think of a good way to demonstrate the difference.

I could make a single shot look similar to that, but it would be very noisy in the shadow areas and there wouldn't be nearly the same amount of detail in the clouds or waves. That's the main difference and it wouldn't show well at this resolution.

Timothy Farrar is a master of this technique, and he has shown the kind of noise you get from a single exposure vs HDR in his blog: http://www.farrarfocus.com/ffdd/blog20060926.htm
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Old Sep 28, 2006 | 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by ALPHSTER
Isn't this like the digital version of the zone system that Ansel Adams used?
Ah, the zone system!

Yes, you could certainly think of it that way. Ansel would definitely love this technique if he were around today.
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Old Sep 28, 2006 | 10:45 AM
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thats awesome. I personally prefer it to the first shot.
You can click the photo if you want to see the colour version.

This was really just a test for the technique, but I'm glad you liked it.
I'll post more once I find something a little more interesting to shoot. I'm heading to Algonquin next weekend, so I'm sure I'll have more from that trip.
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Old Sep 28, 2006 | 10:46 AM
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I'm heading to Algonquin next weekend, so I'm sure I'll have more from that trip.
Better bring a jacket
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Old Sep 28, 2006 | 10:50 AM
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D,

I want to make sure I'm reading this right. Take 9 separate shot at different exposures and then merge them in photoshop?


You can see the technique here: http://www.farrarfocus.com/ffdd/bracket.htm

Timothy sells an action for $90 that does the merging work for you, but you could also just use the HDR merge built into CS2.

The merged files will create a fairly dull image, but then you apply brightness and contrast layers to expose the image and bring it to life. You can go very aggressive with the brightness and contrast without any negative effects because you're working with 15 bits of data for every color versus the typical 8 bits you would get from a JPG.
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Old Sep 28, 2006 | 10:51 AM
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Better bring a jacket
Not this weekend, next weekend. I'll keep my fingers crossed for good weather.
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Old Sep 28, 2006 | 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Dan Martin


You can see the technique here: http://www.farrarfocus.com/ffdd/bracket.htm

Timothy sells an action for $90 that does the merging work for you, but you could also just use the HDR merge built into CS2.

The merged files will create a fairly dull image, but then you apply brightness and contrast layers to expose the image and bring it to life. You can go very aggressive with the brightness and contrast without any negative effects because you're working with 15 bits of data for every color versus the typical 8 bits you would get from a JPG.
Thanks, D

This link explains HDR in more detail. If you look at the photos of the bearings you can really see how the details of the clouds show up in the under exposed bearing. You don't see that detail in the other exposures. merge the 3 and you get you cake and eat it too.

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Old Sep 28, 2006 | 01:15 PM
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I took 4 pictures the other day when I went and took pictures of my parents new Lexus GS350 so that I could do an HDR picture however I havent gotten around to editing them yet.
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Old Sep 28, 2006 | 01:37 PM
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Nice technique, Dan.

Any one familiar with this sort-of HDR technique: Take one broad dynamic range RAW photo, copy it, then adjust the exposure in each so that one is exposed for the sky, say, and the other for the foreground. They are then blended, by using a layer mask IIRC, resulting in a pseudo HDR image. I got this from a Scott Kelby book, and it's a way for PSE users to go HDR.

I'm pretty sure I don't have all the details exact, but the results he showed were very good. I'll try to post specifics later.
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Old Sep 28, 2006 | 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by waTSX
Nice technique, Dan.

Any one familiar with this sort-of HDR technique: Take one broad dynamic range RAW photo, copy it, then adjust the exposure in each so that one is exposed for the sky, say, and the other for the foreground. They are then blended, by using a layer mask IIRC, resulting in a pseudo HDR image. I got this from a Scott Kelby book, and it's a way for PSE users to go HDR.

I'm pretty sure I don't have all the details exact, but the results he showed were very good. I'll try to post specifics later.
You can certainly create an HDR image from one RAW file, but there few a couple issues:
1) noise: multiple exposures layered on top of eachother will cancel out much of the noise. However, multiple exposures from a single file will actually amplify the noise since the pixels are in the same location.
2) limited range: most raw files are 12-bit which gives about 2 stops of dynamic range over a single JPG. That's good, but a 15-bit image in a 16-bit working environment will have about 5 stops of range over a standard JPG.
3) Although you have about two stops of extended range when shooting RAW, there's no guarantee that the colors will be accurate in those extended stops. Every sensor will suffer from a hue shift just before the highlights are blown or the shadows are crushed. By using the "sweet spot" of the sensor's dynamic range, you eliminate most of that hue shift.

The HDR from a single file is still a good technique that has saved my butt in the past. It's great for recovering some detail in blown highlights.
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Old Sep 28, 2006 | 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Dan Martin
You can certainly create an HDR image from one RAW file, but there few a couple issues:
1) noise: multiple exposures layered on top of eachother will cancel out much of the noise. However, multiple exposures from a single file will actually amplify the noise since the pixels are in the same location.
2) limited range: most raw files are 12-bit which gives about 2 stops of dynamic range over a single JPG. That's good, but a 15-bit image in a 16-bit working environment will have about 5 stops of range over a standard JPG.
3) Although you have about two stops of extended range when shooting RAW, there's no guarantee that the colors will be accurate in those extended stops. Every sensor will suffer from a hue shift just before the highlights are blown or the shadows are crushed. By using the "sweet spot" of the sensor's dynamic range, you eliminate most of that hue shift.

The HDR from a single file is still a good technique that has saved my butt in the past. It's great for recovering some detail in blown highlights.
That sounds pretty sweet. Do you have any good links to tutorials that explain how this works in greater detail? Sounds like I might be able to put my digital rebel to some good use for a change.

-Cozmo
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Old Sep 28, 2006 | 02:40 PM
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That sounds pretty sweet. Do you have any good links to tutorials that explain how this works in greater detail? Sounds like I might be able to put my digital rebel to some good use for a change.

-Cozmo
Just read post 13 above.
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Old Sep 28, 2006 | 07:51 PM
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I just got a Graduated filter today to help out a bit with those bright skys.

Multiple exposures is only practical if you have a tripod.
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Old Sep 28, 2006 | 10:02 PM
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^That and 275 MB files are huge and not very practical, but it is cool how you can now do this with Photoshop, and storage space is cheap these days. I would guess you'd use it more for landscape type shots, where you'd likely have a tripod anyway.

Now about those 15 stop sensors...
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Old Sep 28, 2006 | 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by ChodTheWacko
I just got a Graduated filter today to help out a bit with those bright skys.

Multiple exposures is only practical if you have a tripod.
If you can shoot a GND without a tripod, you have a steadier hand than I.
Post your results when you try out the GND!

I find they're very tricky to use with a 1.6x crop. I have a full set that I hardly use because they're so difficult to position correctly (even with a tripod). Now with HDR's, it's unlikely I'll ever use them again. In my opinion, it's far easier to take a bracketed exposure in the field than it is to fiddle with the filter and calculate the correct exposure for a GND shot. I'd rather get the shot and spend more time developing it on my computer than miss a shot because my filter wasn't aligned correctly or the exposure was off.
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Old Oct 1, 2006 | 11:29 PM
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Playing around with HDR on some sunset shots using my D200 and 70-200mm f/2.8 in aperture priority mode. Camera on my crappy tripod, remote release, continuous exposures of a 9-frame bracket - trying to go -3 to +3 but only got -1 to +3 because I had the lens too far open.

Original exposure:



HDR:



Definitely more range out of it, seems to get some weird color banding around the sun. No PP other than reduction of bit depth and resize.
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Old Oct 30, 2006 | 11:16 PM
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This page came up recently, worth a read - lots of other links to HDR pages too:
http://petemc.net/hdr-guide/#tools
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