Toyota: Supra News
#642
https://jalopnik.com/heres-where-you...n-a-1833091769
Last month, we were suddenly frozen in fear of the prospect of a front-mounted U.S. license plate on the 2020 Toyota Supra, as the open-orifices of the car’s design didn’t leave a lot of room for mounting a thin, ugly rectangle of government-issued metal. Sadly, it’s almost exactly as bad as we feared.
According to screenshots of the Gran Turismo Sportvideo game sent in to Jalopnik by a reader (thanks, Joe from Chicago), the new Supra bumper gets a fill-in mount right in the middle-hole of its grille, sort of hanging off of the forward tip of the hood, just under the emblem:
That’s... something.
Keep in mind this is just a video game, but it seems pretty obvious that this is the likely setup shipping off of dealer lots in the near future. I’m going to admit that this isn’t very shocking. Does it look bad? Yeah, it does. For a few reasons.
First, we need to blame America for its dumb and ugly squarish-rectangular license plate shape that doesn’t really fit the design language of any car produced after 1990. Then we need to blame the 31 states in America that require a front-mounted license plate.
Then we blame society as a whole for enacting laws and law enforcement, and organizing people into coded identities that are meant to be tracked, which quite clearly constrains our world’s most creative minds and spoils everything that is natural and good.
Then we blame Toyota. I’m not going to say they should have changed the design language of the car to account for the government’s dumb and ugly metal. But we have to blame them because there’s really nowhere else to put the license plate on the front of the car.
One of the other orifices of the face design houses safety and parking sensors you can’t block with a plate, though it’s unclear if anything is on the other side, and there’s hardly any room left between the holes and the headlights to get fancy with some sort of sticker plate that isn’t even allowed.
All in all this is just one of those unfortunate situations no one can really do anything about. If you’re worried about it, just keep the plate under the windshield on your dashboard. If you’re real, you’ll move to a state that doesn’t require a front plate.
According to screenshots of the Gran Turismo Sportvideo game sent in to Jalopnik by a reader (thanks, Joe from Chicago), the new Supra bumper gets a fill-in mount right in the middle-hole of its grille, sort of hanging off of the forward tip of the hood, just under the emblem:
That’s... something.
Keep in mind this is just a video game, but it seems pretty obvious that this is the likely setup shipping off of dealer lots in the near future. I’m going to admit that this isn’t very shocking. Does it look bad? Yeah, it does. For a few reasons.
First, we need to blame America for its dumb and ugly squarish-rectangular license plate shape that doesn’t really fit the design language of any car produced after 1990. Then we need to blame the 31 states in America that require a front-mounted license plate.
Then we blame society as a whole for enacting laws and law enforcement, and organizing people into coded identities that are meant to be tracked, which quite clearly constrains our world’s most creative minds and spoils everything that is natural and good.
Then we blame Toyota. I’m not going to say they should have changed the design language of the car to account for the government’s dumb and ugly metal. But we have to blame them because there’s really nowhere else to put the license plate on the front of the car.
One of the other orifices of the face design houses safety and parking sensors you can’t block with a plate, though it’s unclear if anything is on the other side, and there’s hardly any room left between the holes and the headlights to get fancy with some sort of sticker plate that isn’t even allowed.
All in all this is just one of those unfortunate situations no one can really do anything about. If you’re worried about it, just keep the plate under the windshield on your dashboard. If you’re real, you’ll move to a state that doesn’t require a front plate.
#646
https://jalopnik.com/the-first-2020-...ere-1833201884
Toyota claims it partnered with BMW on the 2020 Toyota Supra, in part, because it wanted to keep an inline six-cylinder powertrain which the Germans could supply. Of course, to purists, that was never going to be enough, and now it looks like somebody has already started work on the first new Toyota Supra with a 2JZ engine swap.That person is Daigo Saito,a champion in both D1GP in Japan and Formula Drift here in America. Today he posted photos of his new Supra build, hood up with a shiny turbo 2JZ, the iconic engine from the previous generation, heart transplant to many a drag car and drift car ever since.
Daigo is working on the car with Japanese mega-tuner HKS, which claims it’s expecting 800 horsepower in a press release. They’re hoping to be completed in time to compete in the D1GP All Star Shoot-Out exhibition event in Tokyo scheduled for March 23.
Daigo’s previous lineup of cars includes his big-power 2JZ Lexus SC that conquered American drifting, a 1,000-hp Nissan GT-R that didn’t, a Lamborghini Murciélago V12 and all, the Ferrari 599 that went on to compete in FD (with a great deal of changes), and probably the most extreme Corvette in drifting right now.
Here’s a look at the new car, rendered here
There will always be those who say they still don’t like the looks of the new Supra. For me, it all changed when I saw it in person, and now I like it even more in this drift body. It makes a lot of the dramatic curves look like they were always meant for ridiculously large fenders.
Daigo is working on the car with Japanese mega-tuner HKS, which claims it’s expecting 800 horsepower in a press release. They’re hoping to be completed in time to compete in the D1GP All Star Shoot-Out exhibition event in Tokyo scheduled for March 23.
Daigo’s previous lineup of cars includes his big-power 2JZ Lexus SC that conquered American drifting, a 1,000-hp Nissan GT-R that didn’t, a Lamborghini Murciélago V12 and all, the Ferrari 599 that went on to compete in FD (with a great deal of changes), and probably the most extreme Corvette in drifting right now.
Here’s a look at the new car, rendered here
There will always be those who say they still don’t like the looks of the new Supra. For me, it all changed when I saw it in person, and now I like it even more in this drift body. It makes a lot of the dramatic curves look like they were always meant for ridiculously large fenders.
#650
#651
Too Small.
#654
Considering all the safety and tech added, technically it is heavier.
#655
#657
Having the Supra name, it would could never satisfy everybody.
#658
#659
which is why if they weren't gonna do it right, then dont do it at all. or call it something else.
#663
Sure, it was said long time ago.
Now, if the next gen R36 GTR uses Mercedes's C43 (360hp)'s engine and it is about the same size as the SLK and that is what happens here.
Normally, a TT V6 SLK sized Nissan would be great for the brand - think 370Z....but see what happens if Nissan named it GTR.
Now, if the next gen R36 GTR uses Mercedes's C43 (360hp)'s engine and it is about the same size as the SLK and that is what happens here.
Normally, a TT V6 SLK sized Nissan would be great for the brand - think 370Z....but see what happens if Nissan named it GTR.
While i am no diehard Supra fan obviously. But i would not bitch as much if it was a little wider, longer. Similar size as the Concept without a DETUNED Z4 engine.
Or they could just call it something else. like AE86 Turbo or Celica.
Imagine Acura introduced next gen NSX with C43's V6TT and C300's 2.0T.... oh that hurts just by thinking about it.
Or they could just call it something else. like AE86 Turbo or Celica.
Imagine Acura introduced next gen NSX with C43's V6TT and C300's 2.0T.... oh that hurts just by thinking about it.
Last edited by oonowindoo; 03-11-2019 at 06:23 PM.
#667
You're the one that complained about the size in the first place bigger = heavier.
Maybe they shouldn't have made it at all then. They already "did it right" I suppose, with the LF-A. That car cost almost $400k.
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It doesn't feel right that this new FR sports car is called the Supra. However, I can't pinpoint why that's the case. It's got a 3.0L I6 turbocharged engine like before. It's got a FR chassis just like before.
Is it because it's not built solely by Toyota? Or are the performance figures aren't too impressive, given that other Japanese iconic sports cars moved the bar much further?
Is it because it's not built solely by Toyota? Or are the performance figures aren't too impressive, given that other Japanese iconic sports cars moved the bar much further?
#669
It doesn't feel right that this new FR sports car is called the Supra. However, I can't pinpoint why that's the case. It's got a 3.0L I6 turbocharged engine like before. It's got a FR chassis just like before.
Is it because it's not built solely by Toyota? Or are the performance figures aren't too impressive, given that other Japanese iconic sports cars moved the bar much further?
Is it because it's not built solely by Toyota? Or are the performance figures aren't too impressive, given that other Japanese iconic sports cars moved the bar much further?
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Ah yea, I guess so. Just thought about it more and that makes sense. The Supra is closer in performance to a CTR than a 911 now. The GT-R, NSX, and Supra all used to be about the same performance wise. The former two are now way ahead. I guess calling it a Supra isn't such a good idea after all.
#671
Every nameplate from the '90s has ballooned in weight and size, even sports cars. I was giving you an example that was relevant to you
You're the one that complained about the size in the first place bigger = heavier.
Maybe they shouldn't have made it at all then. They already "did it right" I suppose, with the LF-A. That car cost almost $400k.
It is normal to have 3800 lbs sports cars nowadays... NSX and GTR are all up there.... i dont think any one should expect anything less if Toyota were to do their own Supra.
But to cut the size by 30% to save weight is not called saving weight... it is just smaller... Considering how much smaller it is about it weights bout the same as the old Supra...
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#672
And LFA is probably one of the best cars ever built in term of engineering.... this Supra... 0 effort.
It is normal to have 3800 lbs sports cars nowadays... NSX and GTR are all up there.... i dont think any one should expect anything less if Toyota were to do their own Supra.
But to cut the size by 30% to save weight is not called saving weight... it is just smaller... Considering how much smaller it is about it weights bout the same as the old Supra...
It is normal to have 3800 lbs sports cars nowadays... NSX and GTR are all up there.... i dont think any one should expect anything less if Toyota were to do their own Supra.
But to cut the size by 30% to save weight is not called saving weight... it is just smaller... Considering how much smaller it is about it weights bout the same as the old Supra...
The MKIV and the new Supra are almost identical in size. My point earlier is cars are much heavier these days is because of modern safety standards and all.
Even Acura decided not to use exotic materials on the NSX. The LF-A was a one time thing, it's just not practical for a manufacturer - whose bread and butter is regular sedans and trucks - to build a bespoke exotic.
You could argue Toyota was the only one, and maybe Ford to an extent. The LF-A V10 wasn't based upon existing architecture. The NSX had a V10 at one point, then that was scrapped.
If literally any other manufacturer made this car, they wouldn't get shit on nearly as much. I feel the same way about the new NSX, but there's more to that, too...
#673
so you would be cool with the Supra being gigantic and heavy like the GTR?
The MKIV and the new Supra are almost identical in size. My point earlier is cars are much heavier these days is because of modern safety standards and all.
Even Acura decided not to use exotic materials on the NSX. The LF-A was a one time thing, it's just not practical for a manufacturer - whose bread and butter is regular sedans and trucks - to build a bespoke exotic.
You could argue Toyota was the only one, and maybe Ford to an extent. The LF-A V10 wasn't based upon existing architecture. The NSX had a V10 at one point, then that was scrapped.
If literally any other manufacturer made this car, they wouldn't get shit on nearly as much. I feel the same way about the new NSX, but there's more to that, too...
I am not sure what yo mean by almost the same size... they are not.
Actually Toyota would not get as much shit if they did not call it Supra... That is all.
While it is not as bad as Mitsubishi named their CUV Eclipse, but the same logic applies... While the new car is not a bad car, but it does not deserve the Supra name... it is a freaking Z4... an inferior Z4 too ...
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nist7 (03-22-2019)
#675
I love this car. Want one in a few years. That's all.
Already booked a few soon to be owners for my interior work, so will get to play with it right when they start delivering the cars in Cali.
Already booked a few soon to be owners for my interior work, so will get to play with it right when they start delivering the cars in Cali.
#677
Z4 looks nasty and Supra and Z4 are tuned completely different in terms of handling. Zero interests in Z4. If I wanted a fun roadster, it'd be a ND2. haha
#678
https://jalopnik.com/what-we-found-w...sup-1831800550
It seems the suspension hardwares are very very similar... only the damper and steering are tuned differently (for better or worse, we dont know yet)
It seems the suspension hardwares are very very similar... only the damper and steering are tuned differently (for better or worse, we dont know yet)
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Costco (03-15-2019)
#679
I'm still a huge fan of underpowered Toyota+Subaru car. It's not a surprise that I'm a huge fan of this Zupra. And pretty sure Tetsuya Tada did his homework.
And like you said we don't know about the actual driving experience yet, that's why I'm being so optimistic.
And like you said we don't know about the actual driving experience yet, that's why I'm being so optimistic.