Toyota: RAV4 News
11-26-2012, 12:13 PM
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I think the interior looks leaps and bounds better than the current gen.
Exterior is following the same trends as the ford escape. Its ok...again better than the current imo.
Exterior is following the same trends as the ford escape. Its ok...again better than the current imo.
11-26-2012, 12:52 PM
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Just wish they put more thought into the design and made it more pleasing to the eye... kinda like the Venza
12-18-2012, 01:20 PM
#123
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These are Japanese terms we heard quoted by Toyota representatives when describing its 2013 RAV4. Apparently the 1st 1 means "go and see for yourself" and the 2nd means "heart pumping, adrenaline racing."
Nice expressions, but not exactly the ones we'd choose. So we'll introduce 1 of our own: "Same same but different."
The latest version of Toyota's compact crossover follows the same basic outline of models past. As ever, its on-road ride and handling are competent but not sporty, the powertrain is smooth and efficient and the price is reasonable. It's a tried-and-true formula, but over the last few years, new competitors like the Honda CR-V and Ford Escape have stolen the thunder of Toyota's original cute ute, leading the automaker to refine the mix of ingredients that go into the RAV4 in an effort to take back the compact crossover crown. Read on to see what's new.
Let's talk style. As in, this Toyota has some. Much has been made of Akio Toyoda's corporate mandate that the automaker make no more boring cars, and the last few releases (most recently the redesigned Avalon) from the Japanese automaker have indeed offered more style and substance than in the last several decades. The new RAV4 is no different.
Up front, Toyota has adopted a split upper grille with attractive chrome accents that artfully extend into the headlight clusters. There are sharp creases along either side of the front fascia that, along with large fog lamps and sweeping bumper protrusion, form a distinctive face. The body sides also feature plenty of metal sculpting, and somewhat surprisingly, even though there are swage lines flowing in several different directions – downward-sloping through the roofline, upward along the window line and the lower doors and flatly horizontal through the tops of the doors – the overall look is cohesive.
That stylish togetherness ends at the rear, however, with funky shelf-shaped taillamps that protrude from the body and an oversize spoiler above the rear window. 1 other noteworthy change for 2013: A regular liftgate is present instead of the swinging tailgate, a design made possible by the inclusion of an internal space-saver spare instead of the exterior-mounted units of all RAV4s past.
Adding that liftgate has allowed Toyota to offer optional power assist on Limited models, featuring a memory system that allows the owner to limit the height of the gate's upward swing – useful when parking in garages where vertical space is at a premium. And unlike systems offered by other automakers, it doesn't just default to fully open and 3-quarter height positions.
Moving the party inside, the biggest change to the 2013 Toyota RAV4 is the deletion of the optional 3rd row. We asked Toyota about the switch from 7 passengers to 5 and were told that having a 3rd row in the compact RAV4 wasn't a priority. For the most part, we agree, as the way-back in the RAV4 was pretty tiny and uncomfortable for normal-size adults. In any case, there are plenty of 3-row crossovers on the market, including Toyota's own Highlander, catering to those who need more room than the compact ute has to offer.
The 5 remaining seats can be covered in 2 fabric types or a synthetic leather substitute that Toyota calls Softex. After sampling all options, we definitely prefer the cloth – we find it hard to believe anyone will be fooled by the imitation leather. Sadly, opting for Limited trim necessitates the Softex interior treatment.
Toyota wanted to "add to the RAV4's sportiness" by making a "driver-centric seating area." We're not so sure it was successful – though all the switchgear, LCD screens and driver touch points are within easy reach, there doesn't seem to be any specific sportiness to the overall look and feel of the cockpit. What the interior can be, though, is bold. Toyota has gone with a so-called color block concept inside the RAV4, with large swaths of contrasting materials that can be had in a somewhat jarring Terra Cotta finish on Limited models. It's more mundane in black, gray and beige, but still effective at breaking up the monotony.
Materials are of average quality for this class, though there are a bunch of colors and finishes that don't really match, such as the plastic surrounding the center stack being a different metallic bronze shade than the horizontal trim running atop the dash. We also don't like the criss-cross plastic pattern used around the shifter and on the door panels front and rear. It's so hard we could file our fingernails on it.
There's a bit more room inside the 2013 RAV4 for the driver than last year. Toyota has added an extra 0.8 inches of travel at the back of the seat rail, along with an additional 0.6-inch of height adjustment that allows the driver to sit lower in the car. Add those important adjustments to the taller seatback and longer seat cushion and the end result is a comfy pair of seats.
Considering the deletion of the 3rd row, it's somewhat incongruous that rear-seat passengers have 1.1 fewer inches of legroom (37.2 inches) and 3.5 fewer inches of hip room (48.9) than the outgoing model. We assume moving the space-saver spare tire from the outside of the tailgate to a space under the cargo floor has something to do with this otherwise unexplainable reduction of interior space. In any case, we were still able to fit 2 occupants comfortably in the back seat even with the front chairs in adult-size positions, but not a 3rd.
Standing outside the 2013 RAV4, it's clear that Toyota has brought its compact crossover closer to the ground. A look at the spec sheet reveals an overall height of 65.4 inches, a reduction of about an inch from 2012. Ground clearance has fallen from 7.5 inches to a sedan-like 6.3 inches, which is probably fine since the RAV4 isn't really intended to travel very far off the beaten path. Inside, headroom is down an inch (without the moonroof) with 39.8 inches available. Adding the moonroof subtracts about an inch of headroom.
We also can't explain why the 2013 RAV4 weighs more than its predecessor. At 3,435 pounds with front-wheel drive, the 2013 model weighs 75 pounds more than the 2012. A loaded-up Limited model with all-wheel drive tips the scales at 3,610 pounds.
There's 1 good bit of interior usefulness to report: Cargo volume is up to 73.4 cubic feet with the 2nd row folded, which is a best-in-class figure, and there's a reasonable 38.4 cu-ft available behind the rear seat.
As far as technology goes, Toyota has seen fit to offer its touchscreen Display Audio system as standard equipment, along with a backup camera integrated into its 6.1-inch display. That means all 2013 RAV4s will have an auxiliary jack, a USB port, hands-free phone capability and music streaming via Bluetooth. Navigation and Entune are optionally available on XLE and Limited trim levels, and a JBL sound system with 11 GreenEdge speakers can be had on the Limited. It's a fine audio system that offers plenty of volume, which is good, since there isn't going to be a beautiful soundtrack from the engine.
Stability control, traction control, anti-lock brakes, electronic brake-force distribution, brake assist and smart stop technology, each with its appropriate acronym, make up Toyota's Star Safety System, which comes standard on the 2013 RAV4. Optional on Limited models is a blind spot monitor with rear cross-traffic alert. When so equipped, the driver will be warned of oncoming vehicles when the RAV4 is in reverse. Irritatingly, desirable bits and pieces like sun visor extensions (seriously, why are these not standard?), a smart key, heated seats and the aforementioned power liftgate come only with the Limited model, which also means accepting the fake leather Softex upholstery.
LE models come equipped with 17-inch 5-spoke steel wheels with "alloy-like wide vent" wheel covers which do a surprisingly convincing job of looking like alloys at a distance. XLE and Limited models are equipped with alloy wheels in 17-inch and 18-inch sizes, respectively.
Under the hood, buyers will find a 2.5-liter 4-cylinder engine offering up 176 horsepower and 172 pound-feet of torque. This engine carries over from 2012 with only a few updates designed to improve efficiency, but the big news is a move out of Ye Olden Days in the transmission department. A 6-speed automatic has finally replaced the old 4-speed unit. Hooray! With 2 extra gears comes improved fuel economy of 24 miles per gallon city, 31 highway and 26 combined with front-wheel drive or 22/29/25 with all-wheel drive, increases of 1 to 3 miles per gallon across the board. What's more, the 0-60 run now takes 8.9 seconds, a drop of well over a second from the 2012 model with the same engine, and there's much better spacing between gears on mid-speed roads.
Toyota's 6-speed automatic gearbox also includes AI-SHIFT control, which attempts to deliver the kind of shift feel that the driver and road conditions dictate, and a Sport mode with Dynamic Rev Management that allows smoother and quicker shifting when activated. There's also an ECO mode that kills driver involvement at roughly the same rate as it improves fuel efficiency. We engaged it, then immediately turned it off it.
The 2013 RAV4's all-wheel-drive system is more sophisticated than before, with a computer-controlled electromagnetic coupling transferring power front to rear as required. Up to 50 percent of the engine's torque can be sent to the rear wheels, and the system can be locked at speeds under 25 miles per hour. When set to Sport mode, RAV4 models with all-wheel drive now feature all kinds of computer trickery to help reduce understeer.
Adding all-wheel drive to any RAV4 model will likewise add $1,400 to the sticker price. Base LE models begin at $23,300, while mid-grade XLE trim models start at $24,290. Opting for the top-level Limited brings with it a window sticker of $27,010. Toyota expects the XLE to make up 40 percent of RAV4 sales, with the other 60 percent divided equally between LE and Limited trims. A heart-of-the-market, all-wheel-drive XLE with navigation and Entune will cost $26,720. If Toyota's calculations prove correct, about 2 -3rds of the 200,000 RAV4s it hopes to sell in 2013 will be equipped with all-wheel drive. That sales goal, by the way, would represent an increase of about 30,000 units over the sales peak in 2007 that was nearly matched in 2010 before dropping to 132,000 in 2011. Ambitious plans, it seems.
On the road, we could definitely feel the high-tech AWD drivetrain helping out when the road turned twisty, actively rotating the rear of the vehicle through the corner. Enthusiast drivers take note: we suggest you test drive the all-wheel-drive RAV4 even if you don't expect to drive in adverse weather conditions, and don't forget to select Sport mode.
The RAV4's suspension has received plenty of tuning adjustments, but it's still geared toward smooth running in lieu of sporty handling and road feel. Similarly, the electronic power steering delivers reasonable response and effort for a compact crossover, but don't expect to feel much feedback from the road. Fortunately, big impacts are very well damped by the moving bits below, and we'd describe overall handling as pleasantly predictable.
4-wheel disc brakes (ventilated up front) are standard, though we find it a bit odd that the LE model is fitted with smaller (10.8-inch diameter, .98-inch thickness) units than XLE and Limited models (11.7-inch and 1.1-inch). Rear brakes are the same all around, measuring 11.1 inches in diameter and .472 inches in thickness. Regardless of size disparities, we found the brakes perfectly adequate during our drive.
In fact, the descriptors "pleasantly predictable" and "perfectly adequate" pretty much sum up our opinion of the 2013 RAV4. Thing is, the same could be said of the 2012 RAV4 as well. We appreciate the updates Toyota has made to keep the compact crossover competitive, and we don't really mind the deletion of the V6 engine option and the seriously cramped 3rd row of the past. Whether or not Toyota's comprehensive refresh of the 2013 RAV4 is enough to put it atop the Honda CR-V and Ford Escape is another matter entirely.
12-19-2012, 06:35 AM
#124
Race Director
Whether or not Toyota's comprehensive refresh of the 2013 RAV4 is enough to put it atop the Honda CR-V and Ford Escape is another matter entirely.
03-29-2018, 09:00 AM
#125
Moderator
https://www.topgear.com/car-news/new...-rav4-imminent
The biggest news in exceptionally practical family motoring awaits
This, if you can contain your excitement, is the new Toyota RAV4, which will reach our shores in early 2019. Yes, we know. Be still our beating, middle-aged hearts.
So, let’s start with what we see – the brand-new design. According to Toyota, the design “resonates with a target customer base of young families who enjoy life”. So, we guess you’re all out of luck if you’re a family of misanthropes.
Setting aside the prose of the press release, we can glean that the new RAV is the beneficiary of a brand-new platform, which promises much improvement in many areas.
It’s called the TNGA, or Toyota New Global Architecture, and it is Toyota’s new architecture for the cars that it sells globally. So, points for brevity, accuracy and literalism there.
When the TNGA is combined with the RAV, one would expect to find a GNATVAR. Or perhaps a VATRANG. Instead, Toyota insists that it’s still a RAV, and one that has a 30mm-longer wheelbase for much interior spaciousness, as well as a whole extra centimetre of width, to encompass the massive gains you’ve been getting at the gym.
Also, the front and rear overhangs are shorter, which is sure to impress the zero per cent of people who take these things off-road.
To ensure some semblance of consumer advice in this article, we consulted TG’s resident family man, who says that the new RAV is “less ugly than the old one,” thanks to “a bit of Lexus RX-ish angular surfacing”. And we’re inclined to agree – it is rather angular and Lexus-ish, in the style that Toyota seems to be pursuing at the moment.
Inside, it’s much more standard fare; there’s an air of restrained sensibility, much like all Toyotas, that eschews the Kevin McCloud-worthy interior ambiance of Audis for exceptional simplicity. You could also accuse it of being staid and stolid to the point of incomparable boringness. But we’ll leave you to make your own mind.
Getting on to the oily bits, and we find that the TNGA initialism has found its way into engines as well, and again promises much improvement in many areas. Both the 2.5-litre hybrid and 2.0-litre unassisted petrol powertrains are apparently more powerful and efficient than the current ones, but the exact percentages we’re sure you’ve been sweating over are unavailable as of yet. Toyota is at the stage of mucking around with ideal stroke-to-bore ratios and other exceptionally geeky things, so expect incremental improvements rather than night-and-day leaps.
So, are you suitably pumped? Or, more to the point, do you feel the pull of the inexorable black hole that is middle age and quotidian family life, much like a John Updike character? In either case, your RAV4 awaits you next year…
This, if you can contain your excitement, is the new Toyota RAV4, which will reach our shores in early 2019. Yes, we know. Be still our beating, middle-aged hearts.
So, let’s start with what we see – the brand-new design. According to Toyota, the design “resonates with a target customer base of young families who enjoy life”. So, we guess you’re all out of luck if you’re a family of misanthropes.
Setting aside the prose of the press release, we can glean that the new RAV is the beneficiary of a brand-new platform, which promises much improvement in many areas.
It’s called the TNGA, or Toyota New Global Architecture, and it is Toyota’s new architecture for the cars that it sells globally. So, points for brevity, accuracy and literalism there.
When the TNGA is combined with the RAV, one would expect to find a GNATVAR. Or perhaps a VATRANG. Instead, Toyota insists that it’s still a RAV, and one that has a 30mm-longer wheelbase for much interior spaciousness, as well as a whole extra centimetre of width, to encompass the massive gains you’ve been getting at the gym.
Also, the front and rear overhangs are shorter, which is sure to impress the zero per cent of people who take these things off-road.
To ensure some semblance of consumer advice in this article, we consulted TG’s resident family man, who says that the new RAV is “less ugly than the old one,” thanks to “a bit of Lexus RX-ish angular surfacing”. And we’re inclined to agree – it is rather angular and Lexus-ish, in the style that Toyota seems to be pursuing at the moment.
Inside, it’s much more standard fare; there’s an air of restrained sensibility, much like all Toyotas, that eschews the Kevin McCloud-worthy interior ambiance of Audis for exceptional simplicity. You could also accuse it of being staid and stolid to the point of incomparable boringness. But we’ll leave you to make your own mind.
Getting on to the oily bits, and we find that the TNGA initialism has found its way into engines as well, and again promises much improvement in many areas. Both the 2.5-litre hybrid and 2.0-litre unassisted petrol powertrains are apparently more powerful and efficient than the current ones, but the exact percentages we’re sure you’ve been sweating over are unavailable as of yet. Toyota is at the stage of mucking around with ideal stroke-to-bore ratios and other exceptionally geeky things, so expect incremental improvements rather than night-and-day leaps.
So, are you suitably pumped? Or, more to the point, do you feel the pull of the inexorable black hole that is middle age and quotidian family life, much like a John Updike character? In either case, your RAV4 awaits you next year…
03-29-2018, 09:00 AM
#126
Moderator
03-29-2018, 02:32 PM
#127
03-29-2018, 06:17 PM
#128
Team Owner
Looks pretty good to me 
Still not a fan of infotainment screens that stick out of the dash, and that one is pretty extreme.
Still not a fan of infotainment screens that stick out of the dash, and that one is pretty extreme.
04-02-2018, 09:42 AM
#129
Moderator
IMO, has a really strong Scion tC resemblance in the front.
Overall not bad though. If I were in the market though, CX-5 or CR-V would probably slot above this one.
Overall not bad though. If I were in the market though, CX-5 or CR-V would probably slot above this one.
02-07-2019, 01:30 PM
#130
Moderator
https://www.netcarshow.com/toyota/20..._trd_off_road/
The all-new, fifth-generation Toyota RAV4 is looking ahead with the unveiling of the 2020 RAV4 TRD Off-Road model at the 2019 Chicago Auto Show. Arriving in the fall of 2019, the newest addition to the RAV4 family will be outfitted with a full array of special Toyota Racing Development engineering and design features for greater trail-driving capability and standout style.
The vehicle that started the segment 22 years ago is now the best-selling non-pickup truck in the U.S. With the latest generation, it is bringing even more sport and more utility. For 2020, the new TRD Off-Road is designed for customers who make the great outdoors a second home.
For the first time, the RAV4 will join a formidable team of Toyota TRD Off-Road SUVs and pickups inspired by the brand's legendary off-road and desert racers. Beneath the new-generation RAV4's bolder design, the Toyota New Global Architecture (TNGA-K) platform provides an ideal base for TRD's renowned go-anywhere capability and style. Building on the 8.6-inch ground clearance and design features of the RAV4 Adventure grade, the 2020 Toyota RAV4 TRD Off-Road goes above and beyond with suspension, wheels and tires engineered specifically for trail driving.
The Dynamic Force 2.5-liter, 203-horsepower four-cylinder engine, paired with an 8-speed Direct-Shift Automatic Transmission, provides get-up-and-go-anywhere performance and exemplary fuel efficiency. The driver can choose from Sport, Normal and Eco modes. To take more equipment along, such as personal watercraft, dirt bikes or a small enclosed trailer, the RAV4 TRD Off-Road is rated to tow up to 3,500 pounds.
Standard Dynamic Torque Vectoring All-Wheel Drive can direct up to 50 percent of engine torque to the rear wheels, as well as distribute torque to the left or right rear wheel to enhance handling on or off pavement. When AWD isn't needed, such as on long highway stretches, Rear Driveline Disconnect optimizes fuel economy.
Using standard Multi-Terrain Select, the driver can maximize traction by matching the drive mode to the conditions -- Mud & Sand mode for beach driving, or Rock & Dirt mode for trails, and Snow for wintery conditions, for example. The Multi-Information Display (MID) shows torque allocation and slip control data. The new-generation RAV4's short front and rear overhangs enhance trail-driving capability. In addition, the Toyota RAV4 TRD Off-Road will include Hill Start Assist Control (HAC), Trailer Sway Control (TSC), and Downhill Assist Control (DAC) for optimal on-road and off-road performance and safety.
Thoroughly TRD
The 2020 RAV4 TRD Off-Road takes cues from Toyota's rich off-road racing history. It shares high-rise roof rails, large over-fenders, and aggressive bumper, grille designs and fog light surrounds with the RAV4 Adventure grade, but with a uniquely TRD personality.
Inspired by TRD's successful learnings with Ryan Millen's Rally RAV4, TRD Off-Road suspension is engineered to enhance body control and small-bump isolation to help smooth out trails and rough city streets. Unique red coil springs are tuned for an off-road focus. The twin-tube shocks are re-valved and feature new internal rebound springs to improve rebound control. New bump stops maximize compression direction wheel travel and help improve body control over large bumps and dips.
The 2020 Toyota RAV4 TRD Off-Road exclusively rolls on lighter and more rigid flow-formed 18x7-inch matte black TRD alloy wheels with Falken Wildpeak A/T Trail all-terrain tires. These all-terrain tires mean business, with a unique tread pattern and compound developed to TRD technical requirements. A rugged square shoulder design helps protect against punctures, on or off road, and the tires are Severe Snow Rated with open shoulder grooving to shed debris, mud and snow.
Available in an exclusive two-tone Magnetic Gray Metallic w/Ice Edge Roof combination, the Toyota RAV4 TRD Off-Road is accented by dark gray front and rear lower fascias, and front LED fog lights are standard. TRD Off-Road is also available in Midnight Black or Lunar Rock, both of which are available with optional Ice Edge Roof. Other available colors include Ruby Flare Pearl and Super White.
Inside, striking red stitching and red trim accent the cabin. Seat surfaces are covered in comfortable SofTex, which is lighter than leather yet highly durable, and the front seats have "TRD" stitched into the headrests. Exclusive TRD all-weather floor mats and rear cargo mat capture the mud, sand and water dragged in from the outside and easily shake out for cleanup.
Next-Generation Toyota Safety Sense (TSS 2.0)
Toyota Safety Sense (TSS 2.0), which is already standard on all 2019 RAV4 models, includes a long roster of active-safety technologies and capabilities:
The vehicle that started the segment 22 years ago is now the best-selling non-pickup truck in the U.S. With the latest generation, it is bringing even more sport and more utility. For 2020, the new TRD Off-Road is designed for customers who make the great outdoors a second home.
For the first time, the RAV4 will join a formidable team of Toyota TRD Off-Road SUVs and pickups inspired by the brand's legendary off-road and desert racers. Beneath the new-generation RAV4's bolder design, the Toyota New Global Architecture (TNGA-K) platform provides an ideal base for TRD's renowned go-anywhere capability and style. Building on the 8.6-inch ground clearance and design features of the RAV4 Adventure grade, the 2020 Toyota RAV4 TRD Off-Road goes above and beyond with suspension, wheels and tires engineered specifically for trail driving.
The Dynamic Force 2.5-liter, 203-horsepower four-cylinder engine, paired with an 8-speed Direct-Shift Automatic Transmission, provides get-up-and-go-anywhere performance and exemplary fuel efficiency. The driver can choose from Sport, Normal and Eco modes. To take more equipment along, such as personal watercraft, dirt bikes or a small enclosed trailer, the RAV4 TRD Off-Road is rated to tow up to 3,500 pounds.
Standard Dynamic Torque Vectoring All-Wheel Drive can direct up to 50 percent of engine torque to the rear wheels, as well as distribute torque to the left or right rear wheel to enhance handling on or off pavement. When AWD isn't needed, such as on long highway stretches, Rear Driveline Disconnect optimizes fuel economy.
Using standard Multi-Terrain Select, the driver can maximize traction by matching the drive mode to the conditions -- Mud & Sand mode for beach driving, or Rock & Dirt mode for trails, and Snow for wintery conditions, for example. The Multi-Information Display (MID) shows torque allocation and slip control data. The new-generation RAV4's short front and rear overhangs enhance trail-driving capability. In addition, the Toyota RAV4 TRD Off-Road will include Hill Start Assist Control (HAC), Trailer Sway Control (TSC), and Downhill Assist Control (DAC) for optimal on-road and off-road performance and safety.
Thoroughly TRD
The 2020 RAV4 TRD Off-Road takes cues from Toyota's rich off-road racing history. It shares high-rise roof rails, large over-fenders, and aggressive bumper, grille designs and fog light surrounds with the RAV4 Adventure grade, but with a uniquely TRD personality.
Inspired by TRD's successful learnings with Ryan Millen's Rally RAV4, TRD Off-Road suspension is engineered to enhance body control and small-bump isolation to help smooth out trails and rough city streets. Unique red coil springs are tuned for an off-road focus. The twin-tube shocks are re-valved and feature new internal rebound springs to improve rebound control. New bump stops maximize compression direction wheel travel and help improve body control over large bumps and dips.
The 2020 Toyota RAV4 TRD Off-Road exclusively rolls on lighter and more rigid flow-formed 18x7-inch matte black TRD alloy wheels with Falken Wildpeak A/T Trail all-terrain tires. These all-terrain tires mean business, with a unique tread pattern and compound developed to TRD technical requirements. A rugged square shoulder design helps protect against punctures, on or off road, and the tires are Severe Snow Rated with open shoulder grooving to shed debris, mud and snow.
Available in an exclusive two-tone Magnetic Gray Metallic w/Ice Edge Roof combination, the Toyota RAV4 TRD Off-Road is accented by dark gray front and rear lower fascias, and front LED fog lights are standard. TRD Off-Road is also available in Midnight Black or Lunar Rock, both of which are available with optional Ice Edge Roof. Other available colors include Ruby Flare Pearl and Super White.
Inside, striking red stitching and red trim accent the cabin. Seat surfaces are covered in comfortable SofTex, which is lighter than leather yet highly durable, and the front seats have "TRD" stitched into the headrests. Exclusive TRD all-weather floor mats and rear cargo mat capture the mud, sand and water dragged in from the outside and easily shake out for cleanup.
Next-Generation Toyota Safety Sense (TSS 2.0)
Toyota Safety Sense (TSS 2.0), which is already standard on all 2019 RAV4 models, includes a long roster of active-safety technologies and capabilities:
- Pre-Collision System with Pedestrian Detection (PCS w/PD)
- Full-Speed Range Dynamic Radar Cruise Control (DRCC)
- Lane Departure Alert with Steering Assist (LDA w/SA)
- Automatic High Beam (AHB)
- Lane Tracing Assist (LTA)
- Road Sign Assist (RSA)
02-07-2019, 01:30 PM
#131
Moderator
02-07-2019, 08:17 PM
#132
That actually looks pretty cool. Like a baby 4Runner.
02-08-2019, 11:22 AM
#133
Moderator
I think it looks great, but it's likely to be $$$$
11-20-2019, 09:32 AM
#134
Moderator
2021 Rav4 Prime
https://www.netcarshow.com/toyota/2021-rav4_prime/
https://www.netcarshow.com/toyota/2021-rav4_prime/
The fifth-generation Toyota RAV4 is going more places than it has ever gone before. The arrival of the first-ever RAV4 TRD Off-Road model was announced earlier in the year, and, at the 2019 Los Angeles Auto Show, Toyota debuts a new premium, fun-to-drive RAV4 performance model with an estimated 302-horsepower, advanced all-wheel drive, sport-tuned suspension and exclusive design features.
It just happens to also be the first-ever RAV4 plug-in hybrid electric vehicle (PHEV). And so, in addition to an ability to do 0-60 mph in a projected 5.8 seconds, which is the second quickest acceleration time in the Toyota lineup, it can drive an estimated 39 miles on battery alone on a single charge, which is the highest EV range of any PHEV SUV on the market. The RAV4 Prime also has a manufacturer-estimated 90 combined MPGe. Welcome to a new chapter of Toyota SUV performance.
The Toyota RAV4 Prime, a 2021 model that will arrive in summer 2020, breaks ground as the most powerful and quickest RAV4 ever while also being the most fuel-efficient.
The 2021 RAV4 Prime will be available in SE and XSE grades, both emphasizing athletic on-road performance and premium comfort and style. With its plug-in hybrid technology advancing, Toyota sees such vehicles as critical to an overall electrification strategy that will also include standard hybrids and battery electric vehicles (BEVs), along with fuel cell electric vehicles (FCEVs) like the second-generation Mirai.
Think Faster
The Toyota RAV4 Prime builds on the RAV4 Hybrid, which is currently the most powerful and most fuel-efficient model in the line with sales up 72% over last year and currently the best-selling hybrid vehicle on the market. The RAV4 Prime amplifies both performance and efficiency, reflecting Toyota's 20+ years of hybrid vehicle leadership.
With more powerful motor-generators, a newly developed high-capacity Lithium-Ion battery and a booster converter, the 2021 RAV4 Prime yields an 83-horsepower (hp) jump in total system output over the RAV4 Hybrid and has the most horsepower in its segment. The resulting boost in performance is striking: Toyota projects 0-60 mph acceleration in 5.8 seconds which is quicker than the RAV4 Hybrid (7.8 sec.) and in a league with luxury/performance SUVs that come nowhere near this Toyota's remarkable fuel economy. And, notably, the RAV4 Prime uses regular-grade gasoline-just not much of it.
A comparison with an older RAV4 offers a vivid illustration of the march of technology. The 2006-2012 RAV4 offered an optional 269-hp, 3.5-liter gas V6 engine that reached 0-60 mph in 6.3-seconds, which is a half-second slower than the RAV4 Prime. And, that model's 21 combined MPG fuel economy rating simply pales in comparison.
Sporty and Sportier
Toyota engineered the 2021 RAV4 Prime for the performance-oriented driver and is therefore offering it in the sporty SE and XSE grades. The SE grade is new for the fifth-generation RAV4 Prime, and the XSE is currently exclusive to the RAV4 Hybrid. The SE flaunts its sporty attitude with 18-in. painted and machined alloy wheels and an exclusive front grille design and front lower spoiler. Piano black exterior accents and a painted grille/diffuser complete the premium look.
The SE's equipment is quite comprehensive, with standard heated front seats, 8-way power driver's seat with lumbar adjustment, 7-in. Multi-Information Display, Blind Spot Monitor, a leather steering wheel and shift knob, power liftgate, and Audio with 8-in. touch-screen and Amazon Alexa, as well as Android Auto and Apple CarPlay compatibility. The available Weather & Moonroof Package lets in the sun, moon and stars while keeping the cold at bay with a heated steering wheel, heated rear outboard seats, and windshield wiper de-icer, while rain-sensing windshield wipers add to convenience.
As on the current RAV4 Hybrid XSE, the Prime version of this grade stands apart with a two-tone exterior paint scheme pairing a black roof with select colors, including the striking new-to-RAV4 Supersonic Red. Exclusive 19-in. alloy wheels, the largest ever offered on a hybrid RAV4, have a unique two-tone design. Vertical LED accent lights give the XSE a distinct look, while the optional Adaptive Front Lighting System (AFS) with headlamp auto-leveling partially aims the beams into turns as the driver steers.
Inside, XSE steps up the sport, luxury and tech with RAV4's first-ever paddle shifters, along with moonroof, unique SofTex synthetic leather seat surfaces, wireless smartphone charging, ambient lighting, auto-dimming rearview mirror with integrated garage door opener and the largest multimedia screen in any RAV4 ever. The standard Audio Plus system comes with a 9-in. touch-screen and there is an available Premium Audio that includes Dynamic Navigation and JBL speaker system.
An available Premium Package pushes the RAV4 Prime XSE further with Premium Audio with Dynamic Navigation and JBL speakers, perforated and ventilated SofTex front seats, RAV4's first head-up display, heated rear SofTex outboard seats, heated steering wheel, panoramic moonroof, digital rear-view mirror, memory driver's seat, 4-way power passenger seat, 5-door SmartKey system, kick-type power rear liftgate, Bird's Eye View Monitor and yes, more.
How Does It Do That?
Toyota hybrids have for years demonstrated high performance with low fuel consumption, and now the 2021 RAV4 Prime makes one of the strongest cases yet. The RAV4 Prime uses a differently tuned version of the RAV4 Hybrid's 2.5-liter four-cylinder Atkinson-cycle gas engine. It produces the same 176 hp as in the hybrid, but with 168 lb.-ft. of peak torque at 2,800 rpm vs. the RAV4 Hybrid's 163 lb.-ft. at 3,600-5,200 rpm.
That makes a useful difference in lower-speed performance, while using more powerful electric motor-generators really juice the RAV4 Prime's responses. As in the RAV4 Hybrid, the gas engine and a motor generator work together to deliver dynamic performance, while both motor generators charge the battery.
The Toyota RAV4 Prime's interior space isn't compromised by the larger Lithium-Ion battery, as it is mounted under the floor. The mounting position also gives the RAV4 Prime a lower center of gravity and enhanced driving stability.
The RAV4 Prime's enhanced heat pump HVAC system, based on Prius Prime's and tailored to fit RAV4 Prime, contributes to an increasing EV range, as energy consumption for cabin temperature control can significantly decrease EV driving range.
Electrified Traction
The Toyota RAV4 Prime employs the same version of Electronic On-Demand All-Wheel Drive (AWD) as the RAV4 Hybrid. In both models, a separate rear-mounted electric motor powers the rear wheels when needed, including proactively on acceleration startup and also in reduced-traction conditions.
The AWD system also reduces understeer during cornering for enhanced steering stability. Off-pavement, AWD enhances hill-climbing performance. A driver-selectable Trail mode makes it possible to get unstuck by braking a spinning wheel and sending torque to the grounding wheel.
With available paddle shifters, the driver can "downshift" to increase the regenerative braking in steps, which fosters greater control when driving in hilly areas, for example.
As on the RAV4 Hybrid, the innovative Predictive Efficient Drive feature acts like an invisible "hyper-miler" co-driver. Using the available navigation system, Predictive Efficient Drive essentially reads the road and learns driver patterns to optimize hybrid battery charging and discharging operations based on driving conditions. The system accumulates data as the vehicle is driven and "remembers" road features such as hills and stoplights and adjusts the hybrid powertrain operation to maximize efficiency.
All Toyota RAV4 models come equipped with standard Toyota Safety Sense (TSS 2.0), which groups a long roster of active-safety technologies and capabilities
Starting with the 2020 model year, every Toyota Hybrid Battery Warranty is being increased from 8 years or 100,000 miles to 10 years from original date of first use, or 150,000 miles, whichever comes first.
It just happens to also be the first-ever RAV4 plug-in hybrid electric vehicle (PHEV). And so, in addition to an ability to do 0-60 mph in a projected 5.8 seconds, which is the second quickest acceleration time in the Toyota lineup, it can drive an estimated 39 miles on battery alone on a single charge, which is the highest EV range of any PHEV SUV on the market. The RAV4 Prime also has a manufacturer-estimated 90 combined MPGe. Welcome to a new chapter of Toyota SUV performance.
The Toyota RAV4 Prime, a 2021 model that will arrive in summer 2020, breaks ground as the most powerful and quickest RAV4 ever while also being the most fuel-efficient.
The 2021 RAV4 Prime will be available in SE and XSE grades, both emphasizing athletic on-road performance and premium comfort and style. With its plug-in hybrid technology advancing, Toyota sees such vehicles as critical to an overall electrification strategy that will also include standard hybrids and battery electric vehicles (BEVs), along with fuel cell electric vehicles (FCEVs) like the second-generation Mirai.
Think Faster
The Toyota RAV4 Prime builds on the RAV4 Hybrid, which is currently the most powerful and most fuel-efficient model in the line with sales up 72% over last year and currently the best-selling hybrid vehicle on the market. The RAV4 Prime amplifies both performance and efficiency, reflecting Toyota's 20+ years of hybrid vehicle leadership.
With more powerful motor-generators, a newly developed high-capacity Lithium-Ion battery and a booster converter, the 2021 RAV4 Prime yields an 83-horsepower (hp) jump in total system output over the RAV4 Hybrid and has the most horsepower in its segment. The resulting boost in performance is striking: Toyota projects 0-60 mph acceleration in 5.8 seconds which is quicker than the RAV4 Hybrid (7.8 sec.) and in a league with luxury/performance SUVs that come nowhere near this Toyota's remarkable fuel economy. And, notably, the RAV4 Prime uses regular-grade gasoline-just not much of it.
A comparison with an older RAV4 offers a vivid illustration of the march of technology. The 2006-2012 RAV4 offered an optional 269-hp, 3.5-liter gas V6 engine that reached 0-60 mph in 6.3-seconds, which is a half-second slower than the RAV4 Prime. And, that model's 21 combined MPG fuel economy rating simply pales in comparison.
Sporty and Sportier
Toyota engineered the 2021 RAV4 Prime for the performance-oriented driver and is therefore offering it in the sporty SE and XSE grades. The SE grade is new for the fifth-generation RAV4 Prime, and the XSE is currently exclusive to the RAV4 Hybrid. The SE flaunts its sporty attitude with 18-in. painted and machined alloy wheels and an exclusive front grille design and front lower spoiler. Piano black exterior accents and a painted grille/diffuser complete the premium look.
The SE's equipment is quite comprehensive, with standard heated front seats, 8-way power driver's seat with lumbar adjustment, 7-in. Multi-Information Display, Blind Spot Monitor, a leather steering wheel and shift knob, power liftgate, and Audio with 8-in. touch-screen and Amazon Alexa, as well as Android Auto and Apple CarPlay compatibility. The available Weather & Moonroof Package lets in the sun, moon and stars while keeping the cold at bay with a heated steering wheel, heated rear outboard seats, and windshield wiper de-icer, while rain-sensing windshield wipers add to convenience.
As on the current RAV4 Hybrid XSE, the Prime version of this grade stands apart with a two-tone exterior paint scheme pairing a black roof with select colors, including the striking new-to-RAV4 Supersonic Red. Exclusive 19-in. alloy wheels, the largest ever offered on a hybrid RAV4, have a unique two-tone design. Vertical LED accent lights give the XSE a distinct look, while the optional Adaptive Front Lighting System (AFS) with headlamp auto-leveling partially aims the beams into turns as the driver steers.
Inside, XSE steps up the sport, luxury and tech with RAV4's first-ever paddle shifters, along with moonroof, unique SofTex synthetic leather seat surfaces, wireless smartphone charging, ambient lighting, auto-dimming rearview mirror with integrated garage door opener and the largest multimedia screen in any RAV4 ever. The standard Audio Plus system comes with a 9-in. touch-screen and there is an available Premium Audio that includes Dynamic Navigation and JBL speaker system.
An available Premium Package pushes the RAV4 Prime XSE further with Premium Audio with Dynamic Navigation and JBL speakers, perforated and ventilated SofTex front seats, RAV4's first head-up display, heated rear SofTex outboard seats, heated steering wheel, panoramic moonroof, digital rear-view mirror, memory driver's seat, 4-way power passenger seat, 5-door SmartKey system, kick-type power rear liftgate, Bird's Eye View Monitor and yes, more.
How Does It Do That?
Toyota hybrids have for years demonstrated high performance with low fuel consumption, and now the 2021 RAV4 Prime makes one of the strongest cases yet. The RAV4 Prime uses a differently tuned version of the RAV4 Hybrid's 2.5-liter four-cylinder Atkinson-cycle gas engine. It produces the same 176 hp as in the hybrid, but with 168 lb.-ft. of peak torque at 2,800 rpm vs. the RAV4 Hybrid's 163 lb.-ft. at 3,600-5,200 rpm.
That makes a useful difference in lower-speed performance, while using more powerful electric motor-generators really juice the RAV4 Prime's responses. As in the RAV4 Hybrid, the gas engine and a motor generator work together to deliver dynamic performance, while both motor generators charge the battery.
The Toyota RAV4 Prime's interior space isn't compromised by the larger Lithium-Ion battery, as it is mounted under the floor. The mounting position also gives the RAV4 Prime a lower center of gravity and enhanced driving stability.
The RAV4 Prime's enhanced heat pump HVAC system, based on Prius Prime's and tailored to fit RAV4 Prime, contributes to an increasing EV range, as energy consumption for cabin temperature control can significantly decrease EV driving range.
Electrified Traction
The Toyota RAV4 Prime employs the same version of Electronic On-Demand All-Wheel Drive (AWD) as the RAV4 Hybrid. In both models, a separate rear-mounted electric motor powers the rear wheels when needed, including proactively on acceleration startup and also in reduced-traction conditions.
The AWD system also reduces understeer during cornering for enhanced steering stability. Off-pavement, AWD enhances hill-climbing performance. A driver-selectable Trail mode makes it possible to get unstuck by braking a spinning wheel and sending torque to the grounding wheel.
With available paddle shifters, the driver can "downshift" to increase the regenerative braking in steps, which fosters greater control when driving in hilly areas, for example.
As on the RAV4 Hybrid, the innovative Predictive Efficient Drive feature acts like an invisible "hyper-miler" co-driver. Using the available navigation system, Predictive Efficient Drive essentially reads the road and learns driver patterns to optimize hybrid battery charging and discharging operations based on driving conditions. The system accumulates data as the vehicle is driven and "remembers" road features such as hills and stoplights and adjusts the hybrid powertrain operation to maximize efficiency.
All Toyota RAV4 models come equipped with standard Toyota Safety Sense (TSS 2.0), which groups a long roster of active-safety technologies and capabilities
- Pre-Collision System with Pedestrian Detection (PCS w/PD)
- Full-Speed Range Dynamic Radar Cruise Control (DRCC)
- Lane Departure Alert with Steering Assist (LDA w/SA)
- Automatic High Beam (AHB)
- Lane Tracing Assist (LTA)
- Road Sign Assist (RSA)
Starting with the 2020 model year, every Toyota Hybrid Battery Warranty is being increased from 8 years or 100,000 miles to 10 years from original date of first use, or 150,000 miles, whichever comes first.
11-20-2019, 09:33 AM
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11-20-2019, 11:44 AM
#137
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Hot damn, if this was out when we bought our Outback we'd be driving this right now.
11-20-2019, 04:43 PM
#138
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Toyota is just killing it with it's new cars/SUVs, great job!
The new RAV4 is really nice looking. I had one for a rental car and it was great. This just adds to an already get lineup for the RAV4.
The new RAV4 is really nice looking. I had one for a rental car and it was great. This just adds to an already get lineup for the RAV4.
11-20-2019, 07:18 PM
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300hp, boring as fuck to drive.
06-30-2020, 01:39 PM
#140
Safety Car
Reports out now that due to popularity and inability for manufacturing to meet demand, Toyota is suspending pre-orders in Japan and US units are limited to only 5000 for 2020:
https://electrek.co/2020/06/30/toyot...hybrid-for-us/
From anecdotal evidence in my view (forums, YT vids) this is one of THE most anticipated cars to be available later this year. People are already on pre-order/waiting lists at dealers and it's not a surprise: 40+mi EV range, great utility, small enough to be easy to drive for most drivers and still very good fuel economy, and it's peppy up to 60mph....checks many many boxes.
It's basically the Prius Prime that is slightly less efficient but looks like a normal vehicle. easier to get in/out of, larger cargo capacity, and you get more EV range. This thing is going to fly off the assembly line.
Japan suspended orders on Monday, June 29. They received favorable reviews from many customers and received orders which largely surpassed the production capability of a newly developed lithium-ion battery.For the US, since its debut last year, the 2021 RAV4 Prime has generated an exciting level of consumer engagement and interest as the most powerful, fuel-efficient RAV4 ever.
Due to unforeseen supply chain constraints, we have revised our production plan downward for calendar year 2020. We expect to reach previously planned production levels by early 2021.
We anticipate the first model-year would be about 5,000 – and year 2 forward would be about 20,000.
Due to unforeseen supply chain constraints, we have revised our production plan downward for calendar year 2020. We expect to reach previously planned production levels by early 2021.
We anticipate the first model-year would be about 5,000 – and year 2 forward would be about 20,000.
From anecdotal evidence in my view (forums, YT vids) this is one of THE most anticipated cars to be available later this year. People are already on pre-order/waiting lists at dealers and it's not a surprise: 40+mi EV range, great utility, small enough to be easy to drive for most drivers and still very good fuel economy, and it's peppy up to 60mph....checks many many boxes.
It's basically the Prius Prime that is slightly less efficient but looks like a normal vehicle. easier to get in/out of, larger cargo capacity, and you get more EV range. This thing is going to fly off the assembly line.
06-30-2020, 01:46 PM
#141
Safety Car
If we were in the market for an efficient and reliable crossover that has great EV range with the potential to only have to gas it up maybe once or twice a month.....this would be on our #1 list for next practical car to buy.
06-30-2020, 04:37 PM
#142
Battery supply constraints..... Elon was right after all. Whoever got a Gigafactory for batteries wins the prize. 
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07-01-2020, 02:08 PM
#143
Safety Car
Yeah with the future looking like BEVs and at least PHEV like this with bigger battery....whomever is monopolizing/big in the battery making industry will be making BANK in the next few decades...
11-24-2021, 11:46 AM
#144
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https://jalopnik.com/looking-for-a-t...rly-1848105508
We’ve already done a lot on dealer markups this year, but the thing is they just keep coming. This markup at Downtown Toyota of Oakland, in California, has made its rounds online over the weekend via Reddit and sent our way via reader tip. The dealer, like many others, has one RAV4 Prime in its inventory, but unlike other dealers (so far) is asking nearly $97,000 for it. You read that right. Just under $100,000.
If you take a look at the window sticker, you’ll see an MSRP of $49,659. With a price that close to $50,000, it’s pretty loaded.
But why the extra $40,000 markup? Does someone owe the mob money? Is someone trying to get ahead on their student loan payments? Something must be up because the dealer is asking a fight-inducing price of $96,442. What?! How? Let’s look at the breakdown of this lunacy.
Starting with the MSRP of $49,659, which is good with plenty of options. But then you get to those “optional” extras no one wanted or asked for—but the dealer insists you need. Ceramic coating for $2,495? Ok. Bullshit-ass Lojack for $1,795? Check. Invisa Shield scratch protection? Not for the $1,395 they’re asking.
There’s one option I couldn’t quite make out because of the glare in the picture, but they’re asking $599 for it. The last on the list for a cool $499 are nitrous-filled tires, which we know are pointless. But if it’s optional, why include it in the markup? Why not ask the customer if they want these things?
Really, the most egregious of all is the markup itself. The dealer is tacking on a $40,000 to this RAV4 Prime. You can get an Avalon Hybrid XSE for that price. Or hell even a RAV4 Hybrid. So why so much? I called the dealer to ask if that was indeed the price they were asking. I had trouble trying not to laugh as the sales guy stumbled around actually telling me what the price was.
Essentially, he was trying his best to avoid telling me they want Lexus money for a RAV4. If I were a real customer and he told me that price, he’d lose a sale. But of course by telling me to come in, the possibility of a sale isn’t lost. But of course, I didn’t need to explain that to those of you who can read between the lines.
While out shopping with my cousin for a RAV4 Hybrid a few months back, we checked out the Prime. I was told by multiple dealerships that it was one of the fastest-selling models. If they weren’t arriving at the dealer pre-sold, they were being sold within a day or two of arriving at the dealership. While finding $50,000+ RAV4 Primes is the norm now, especially with markups, finding one that’s closing in on $100,000 isn’t.
Like I always say when these wild markups come about, just keep waiting out the market. Trust me, I know it’s tempting to get a deal on something you’ve been wanting. But don’t enable greed. There are a lot of new models on their way. Otherwise, you’ll end up doing something regretful like paying nearly $43,000 for a Hyundai Veloster N from my local Hyundai dealership.
If you take a look at the window sticker, you’ll see an MSRP of $49,659. With a price that close to $50,000, it’s pretty loaded.
But why the extra $40,000 markup? Does someone owe the mob money? Is someone trying to get ahead on their student loan payments? Something must be up because the dealer is asking a fight-inducing price of $96,442. What?! How? Let’s look at the breakdown of this lunacy.
Starting with the MSRP of $49,659, which is good with plenty of options. But then you get to those “optional” extras no one wanted or asked for—but the dealer insists you need. Ceramic coating for $2,495? Ok. Bullshit-ass Lojack for $1,795? Check. Invisa Shield scratch protection? Not for the $1,395 they’re asking.
There’s one option I couldn’t quite make out because of the glare in the picture, but they’re asking $599 for it. The last on the list for a cool $499 are nitrous-filled tires, which we know are pointless. But if it’s optional, why include it in the markup? Why not ask the customer if they want these things?
Really, the most egregious of all is the markup itself. The dealer is tacking on a $40,000 to this RAV4 Prime. You can get an Avalon Hybrid XSE for that price. Or hell even a RAV4 Hybrid. So why so much? I called the dealer to ask if that was indeed the price they were asking. I had trouble trying not to laugh as the sales guy stumbled around actually telling me what the price was.
You know, it’s just one of, uh. You know I don’t know the price, but uh, its just one of those things where you...you have to come in and sit down and talk over if you’re ready to make a deal.
While out shopping with my cousin for a RAV4 Hybrid a few months back, we checked out the Prime. I was told by multiple dealerships that it was one of the fastest-selling models. If they weren’t arriving at the dealer pre-sold, they were being sold within a day or two of arriving at the dealership. While finding $50,000+ RAV4 Primes is the norm now, especially with markups, finding one that’s closing in on $100,000 isn’t.
Like I always say when these wild markups come about, just keep waiting out the market. Trust me, I know it’s tempting to get a deal on something you’ve been wanting. But don’t enable greed. There are a lot of new models on their way. Otherwise, you’ll end up doing something regretful like paying nearly $43,000 for a Hyundai Veloster N from my local Hyundai dealership.
11-24-2021, 01:59 PM
#145
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It is one of those things.. aim high and settle low...
They are asking for $100k and settle for let's say $70k...then tell you that you got a good deal by saving $30k....
Since they only have 1, SOMEONE will be dumb enough to get it. We have people drinking bleach.. so nothing surprises me anymore.
They are asking for $100k and settle for let's say $70k...then tell you that you got a good deal by saving $30k....
Since they only have 1, SOMEONE will be dumb enough to get it. We have people drinking bleach.. so nothing surprises me anymore.
11-24-2021, 02:33 PM
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Lol came here to see if that was posted.
I did read that it’s a possibility that they purposely priced it that high as a way to hold it for whatever reason.
And if someone was dumb enough to pay that, then they would sell it.
I did read that it’s a possibility that they purposely priced it that high as a way to hold it for whatever reason.
And if someone was dumb enough to pay that, then they would sell it.
11-24-2021, 04:14 PM
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11-24-2021, 04:19 PM
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11-24-2021, 05:21 PM
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11-24-2021, 06:02 PM
#151
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you cannot drive two SUVs at same time and cost of insurance and upkeep to two are much higher. as more people drive electric vehicles. Gas station will start losing money so they will become less and less and will jack up the prices. so you need vehicle that alternate between gas and electric.
11-24-2021, 08:37 PM
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11-29-2021, 09:41 AM
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Has 3 car garage. Parks one outside.
No break ins reported anywhere in my neighborhood
#betterneighborhood
11-29-2021, 10:14 AM
#155
Ex-OEM King
SSFTSX has to be mentally disabled. No one can possibly be this dumb. Either that or a bot, similar IQ level to Tesla FSD.
FWIW, I also have a 3 car garage but all 3 cars are inside now.
FWIW, I also have a 3 car garage but all 3 cars are inside now.
11-29-2021, 10:43 AM
#156
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My 3 car garage houses 1.5 cars & a lot of kid's stuff.
11-29-2021, 12:07 PM
#157
Ex-OEM King
11-29-2021, 12:18 PM
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Ours is a true 3-car, with just about no spare space, a few of our neighbors have a slight variation on our floor plan & have extra garage storage at the expense of something like an office indoors.
At one point, I had the Flex, Mercedes & 2 motorcycles in here, was pretty cramped in the 3rd bay.
11-29-2021, 02:22 PM
#159
RAV4 prime is for working class here who really need to drive alot.
not everything is captured in statistics. and surely any breakins will cost insurance rates to skyrocket into thousands not to mention waiting for glass repair.. I am not even counting cat converters theft.
https://www.nbcbayarea.com/investiga...as-la/2731757/
Breaking Point: SF Suffers Highest Rate of Car Break-Ins Compared to Atlanta, DC, Dallas, LA
11-29-2021, 02:43 PM
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It surprising what people can be dumb at in this country to be honest. We have people paying for 3x the market for PS5's and shoes. (not to say they are the same) but some idiot will come along and maybe not for this particular car but say hmm i can make the monthly payments on that.