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my wife has been putting together the product pricing plan for the FJ (she works for toyota), and is responsible for negotiating pricing with Japan for the US market. i had the pleasure of proof-reading her analysis. interesting industry, the way they crunch the numbers...pricing, incentives, median age, target market, etc etc, and where the FJ is poised to compete against (xterra, liberty, small SUVs). it's really making me want to get one for shits and giggles.
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my wife has been putting together the product pricing plan for the FJ (she works for toyota), and is responsible for negotiating pricing with Japan for the US market. i had the pleasure of proof-reading her analysis. interesting industry, the way they crunch the numbers...pricing, incentives, median age, target market, etc etc, and where the FJ is poised to compete against (xterra, liberty, small SUVs). it's really making me want to get one for shits and giggles.
Ugly doesn't sell... this this looks great from the front, but everything from the front fenders back is UGLY...
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Originally Posted by GreenMonster
Yeah, Pontiac did the same for the Aztec...
Ugly doesn't sell... this this looks great from the front, but everything from the front fenders back is UGLY...
Ugly doesn't sell... this this looks great from the front, but everything from the front fenders back is UGLY...
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tacking on a useless aero kit, doing jack to lowering the height (read: no sports-tuned suspension) while adding an "S" badge to your cars, doesnt make it "performance-oriented" or "sporty", Toyota.
somebody needs to slap them upside the head.
somebody needs to slap them upside the head.
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tacking on a useless aero kit, doing jack to lowering the height (read: no sports-tuned suspension) while adding an "S" badge to your cars, doesnt make it "performance-oriented" or "sporty", Toyota.
somebody needs to slap them upside the head.
somebody needs to slap them upside the head.
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Originally Posted by TypeRS
tacking on a useless aero kit, doing jack to lowering the height (read: no sports-tuned suspension) while adding an "S" badge to your cars, doesnt make it "performance-oriented" or "sporty", Toyota.
somebody needs to slap them upside the head.
somebody needs to slap them upside the head.
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Edmund's Full Test: 2007 Toyota FJ Cruiser
Full Test: 2007 Toyota FJ Cruiser
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2007 Toyota FJ Cruiser 4dr SUV
MSRP of Test Vehicle: $29,500
What Works:
Extreme off-road ability, comfortable and supportive front seats, retro styling that captures the spirit of the original.
What Needs Work:
Limited visibility fore and aft, rear-seat entry hindered in spite of reverse-opening doors, styling may not work for everyone.
Bottom Line:
If you never go off-road you'll like it; if you always go off-road, you'll love it.
* 239 horsepower
* 9.6 inches clearance
* Starting price low-$20Ks
The retro cues come shining through in the small, round headlights and thick C-pillar, but like most modern takes on classic design, the new FJ Cruiser is much larger than the original. (Photo by Scott Jacobs)
The FJ Cruiser's interior design follows the exterior's lead of being both retro and straightforward. The center stack is color-matched to the exterior color — in our case Fusion Yellow. (Photo by Scott Jacobs)
Mounting the spare on the outside of the rear hatch maintains the FJ's cargo space and adds to its rugged appearance. It also adds to the FJ's rear visibility issues. (Photo by Scott Jacobs)
As capable as it feels on pavement, the FJ truly shines when traveling over hill and dale. (Photo by Scott Jacobs)
With 8 inches of front suspension travel and 9 inches of rear travel, the FJ not only picks its way over obstacles, it also handles the most flagrant of road test photo posing. (Photo by Scott Jacobs)
Toyota claims the FJ is capable of fording up to 27.5 inches of water. (Photo by Scott Jacobs)
Ground clearance measures an impressive 9.6 inches, and the solid axle uses a Panhard rod to enhance off-road prowess. (Photo by Scott Jacobs)
Standard rolling stock includes 17-by-7.5-inch black steel wheels with 265/70R-17 tires (32 inches tall). Our test car had the optional six-spoke aluminum wheels. (Photo by Scott Jacobs)
(Photo by Scott Jacobs)
(Photo by Scott Jacobs)
A new cruiser for the kids
By Karl Brauer Email
Date posted: 12-27-2005
If your first thought when gazing at the 2007 Toyota FJ Cruiser is something along the lines of, "Oh great, another retro vehicle," you're not alone. Between the Volkswagen "New" Beetle, Mini Cooper, Ford Mustang and recently unveiled Dodge Challenger, it could be argued that automakers have run out of new ideas and are simply living off their past glory.
But there's a flaw in that line of thinking. Simply put, Toyota is having plenty of success with its current SUV lineup. Even the company's oldest off-road design, the Land Cruiser, continues to win awards and accolades, including Edmunds' 2006 Most Wanted SUV over $45,000. So unlike the companies building those other retro vehicles, Toyota doesn't need the FJ Cruiser to revive interest in the brand. In fact, the original FJ concept vehicle was designed at Toyota's Calty Design Research center in Newport Beach, California, and shown at the 2003 Detroit Auto Show as a pure concept study, with no serious plans for production.
However, with consumers doing cartwheels around the FJ Cruiser's show stand, and the automotive press writing rave reviews, Toyota decided to put it into production six months after the concept debuted. The first prototype was built on a modified Prado (4Runner/GX 470) platform in the summer of 2004, and the final production models will be in dealerships by March 2006.
The "go" to match its retro
And while the FJ Cruiser's lineage is long ("FJ" has been the Land Cruiser's internal vehicle code name for over 50 years ago), Toyota's vice president of marketing, Jim Farley, has dubbed the 2007 version "…the most distinctive and capable 4x4 in the Toyota lineup." That's quite a statement from the company building the existing Land Cruiser and 4Runner. Farley adds that the FJ Cruiser not only moves the Land Cruiser tradition forward, but does so at a starting price below $25,000 (exact pricing has yet to be announced), making it available to a far wider range of buyers.
To avoid the poseur label that could have easily befallen a new SUV wearing the "FJ" badge, Toyota has outfitted the FJ with a choice of two 4x4 systems, two transmissions and two types of locking differentials. The base model offers two-wheel drive and a five-speed automatic, and in the "Pre-Runner" spirit even two-wheel-drive models can be had with an electric locking rear differential. They also come with a standard automatic limited-slip differential (Auto LSD) that reads the relative speed of the rear-drive wheels and attempts to match them (this feature can be disabled by a switch on the dash).
But Toyota expects over 90 percent of FJs sold in the first year (with a production run of around 46,000 units) to be 4x4 models. The same five-speed automatic is available on 4x4 FJ Cruisers, as is a six-speed manual that includes a clutch start cancel feature. This allows you to start the engine without depressing the clutch, which can be a lifesaver when you've stalled on a steep incline and would rather not dance between the brake and clutch pedal as the vehicle rolls uncontrollably down a hill.
Automatic models come with a transfer case that can be driven in 2-Hi, 4-Hi and 4-Lo mode. Manual models are always in four-wheel drive, with the transfer case offering 4-Hi, 4-Hi with locked differential and 4-Lo with locked differential. This model uses a Torsen limited-slip center differential with a static 40-60 torque split between the front and rear axles. However, up to 70 percent of power can be sent to the rear wheels, and up to 53 percent to the front wheels, depending on available traction at each end.
Regardless of tranny and driveline configuration you get the same Toyota aluminum block 4.0-liter, 60-degree V6 engine from the Tacoma, Tundra and 4Runner. With dual-overhead cams, 24 valves and VVT-i technology, the engine manages 239 horsepower at 5,200 rpm, and 278 pound-feet of torque at 3,700 rpm. Note that both numbers are based on 91-octane fuel, which isn't required but is recommended.
Preliminary mileage numbers are 18/22 for the automatic 4x2, 16/19 for the 4x4 with manual transmission and 17/21 for the 4x4 automatic. All models offer a 5,000-pound towing capacity, and our automatic 4x4 test vehicle got to 60 mph in 7.8 seconds. Not flying, but neither does it feel slow in normal, everyday driving.
Not your soccer mom's SUV
With those mileage figures, along with its premium fuel recommendation, the FJ Cruiser may not be as popular with suburban moms as SUVs were in the days of sub-$2-a-gallon gasoline. Throw in a nearly inaccessible rear seat, even when utilizing the small reverse-opening rear doors, and you have a rather inhospitable vehicle for soccer practice drop-offs or local mall runs.
Yet Toyota isn't worried, as the automaker is sincere when it says the vehicle is designed for young (and kudos to Toyota for not saying "the young at heart") single males who can appreciate the FJ's extreme off-road capabilities. Beyond the two-speed transfer case, available locking differential and 17-inch wheels wearing 32-inch tires, all 4x4 models offer 9.6 inches of ground clearance, 34-degree approach and 30-degree departure angles and a 27.4-degree break-over angle. Skid plates for the engine, transfer case and fuel tank, along with 8 and 9 inches of front and rear suspension travel, respectively, would certainly go to waste on Rodeo Drive (though we're sure at least a few will end up there, nonetheless).
We personally tested all of these items in some of the most aggressive off-road driving we've yet experienced. The articulation of the double A-arm front suspension and four-link rear suspension was truly amazing to behold (whether riding in the cabin or watching from outside). Our test car also had Toyota's optional A-TRAC system, which can be activated with a switch on the dash and offers much of the same effect as a locking differential — without any binding during tight turns at low speeds. In the months leading up to the FJ Cruiser's launch in March you'll hear much ado about the vehicle's off-road prowess. It may come off as hype, but trust us when we tell you — it isn't.
Prowess has a price
With the FJ Cruiser hopping rough terrain like a frightened gazelle, you might expect on-road driving dynamics akin to a wounded ostrich. But if you've experienced any of the current-generation Land Cruisers, you know Toyota expects more from even its most capable boulder bashers. The FJ, like the Land Cruiser, is a highly affable mode of transport, even if you never go off-road. Seat comfort is superb, with supportive bolsters and a soft yet durable cloth. And despite its breadbox design there is little wind noise at speeds above 50 mph.
Steering response and braking confidence (it stopped from 60 mph in 126 feet) are also on par with even the most carlike SUVs currently available. Slalom speed was a mediocre 56 mph, but that's more a reflection of Toyota's overly aggressive stability control system than the FJ's lack of handling prowess, as it's really quite good — for a 4,300-pound SUV.
But as already mentioned, don't look to the FJ as your minivan replacement. While second-row seating is spacious enough, getting into those seats requires both a high step-up and a contortionist dance, even with the rear doors open. And rear visibility is tanklike because of the wide C-pillar and tiny corner window that proves as effective as a solar-powered flashlight. We should further point out that front visibility also takes a hit due to the high hood line, making both parking maneuvers and off-road obstacle-spotting a tricky prospect.
We do approve of the interior design, which stays true to the original FJ philosophy by being straightforward and functional rather than overly stylized and littered with gimmicks (OK, the inclinomoter in the optional dash-top gauge cluster may be a little cheesy). We do wish Toyota (along with Acura and Jaguar) would lose the bulky gated shifter design, and the color-matched center stack may not work for everyone. But kudos to them for supplying an MP3 auxiliary input on even the base audio system, and for offering an optional power outlet package with a 115-volt, three-prong A/C outlet in the cargo area.
More to come
There's already talk of a "Moab" special-edition model that will feature the talents of Toyota's in-house tuner division, TRD. Beyond that there will be a full line of accessories covering everything from roof racks to rock rails to locking storage boxes and a removable Garmin "Quest 2" navigation unit. And that's just from Toyota. More than 60 aftermarket companies have already been given full access to preproduction FJ Cruisers, and you can bet they are all hard at work on their own lines of baubles and bolt-ons.
One thing's for sure, if Toyota only produces 46,000 in the first year and the price starts at less than $25,000, there will be more demand than supply, which will inevitably mean dealer markups and eBay auctions.
So, from that perspective, the FJ will be just like every other retro vehicle of the last decade.
By Karl Brauer Email
Date posted: 12-27-2005
If your first thought when gazing at the 2007 Toyota FJ Cruiser is something along the lines of, "Oh great, another retro vehicle," you're not alone. Between the Volkswagen "New" Beetle, Mini Cooper, Ford Mustang and recently unveiled Dodge Challenger, it could be argued that automakers have run out of new ideas and are simply living off their past glory.
But there's a flaw in that line of thinking. Simply put, Toyota is having plenty of success with its current SUV lineup. Even the company's oldest off-road design, the Land Cruiser, continues to win awards and accolades, including Edmunds' 2006 Most Wanted SUV over $45,000. So unlike the companies building those other retro vehicles, Toyota doesn't need the FJ Cruiser to revive interest in the brand. In fact, the original FJ concept vehicle was designed at Toyota's Calty Design Research center in Newport Beach, California, and shown at the 2003 Detroit Auto Show as a pure concept study, with no serious plans for production.
However, with consumers doing cartwheels around the FJ Cruiser's show stand, and the automotive press writing rave reviews, Toyota decided to put it into production six months after the concept debuted. The first prototype was built on a modified Prado (4Runner/GX 470) platform in the summer of 2004, and the final production models will be in dealerships by March 2006.
The "go" to match its retro
And while the FJ Cruiser's lineage is long ("FJ" has been the Land Cruiser's internal vehicle code name for over 50 years ago), Toyota's vice president of marketing, Jim Farley, has dubbed the 2007 version "…the most distinctive and capable 4x4 in the Toyota lineup." That's quite a statement from the company building the existing Land Cruiser and 4Runner. Farley adds that the FJ Cruiser not only moves the Land Cruiser tradition forward, but does so at a starting price below $25,000 (exact pricing has yet to be announced), making it available to a far wider range of buyers.
To avoid the poseur label that could have easily befallen a new SUV wearing the "FJ" badge, Toyota has outfitted the FJ with a choice of two 4x4 systems, two transmissions and two types of locking differentials. The base model offers two-wheel drive and a five-speed automatic, and in the "Pre-Runner" spirit even two-wheel-drive models can be had with an electric locking rear differential. They also come with a standard automatic limited-slip differential (Auto LSD) that reads the relative speed of the rear-drive wheels and attempts to match them (this feature can be disabled by a switch on the dash).
But Toyota expects over 90 percent of FJs sold in the first year (with a production run of around 46,000 units) to be 4x4 models. The same five-speed automatic is available on 4x4 FJ Cruisers, as is a six-speed manual that includes a clutch start cancel feature. This allows you to start the engine without depressing the clutch, which can be a lifesaver when you've stalled on a steep incline and would rather not dance between the brake and clutch pedal as the vehicle rolls uncontrollably down a hill.
Automatic models come with a transfer case that can be driven in 2-Hi, 4-Hi and 4-Lo mode. Manual models are always in four-wheel drive, with the transfer case offering 4-Hi, 4-Hi with locked differential and 4-Lo with locked differential. This model uses a Torsen limited-slip center differential with a static 40-60 torque split between the front and rear axles. However, up to 70 percent of power can be sent to the rear wheels, and up to 53 percent to the front wheels, depending on available traction at each end.
Regardless of tranny and driveline configuration you get the same Toyota aluminum block 4.0-liter, 60-degree V6 engine from the Tacoma, Tundra and 4Runner. With dual-overhead cams, 24 valves and VVT-i technology, the engine manages 239 horsepower at 5,200 rpm, and 278 pound-feet of torque at 3,700 rpm. Note that both numbers are based on 91-octane fuel, which isn't required but is recommended.
Preliminary mileage numbers are 18/22 for the automatic 4x2, 16/19 for the 4x4 with manual transmission and 17/21 for the 4x4 automatic. All models offer a 5,000-pound towing capacity, and our automatic 4x4 test vehicle got to 60 mph in 7.8 seconds. Not flying, but neither does it feel slow in normal, everyday driving.
Not your soccer mom's SUV
With those mileage figures, along with its premium fuel recommendation, the FJ Cruiser may not be as popular with suburban moms as SUVs were in the days of sub-$2-a-gallon gasoline. Throw in a nearly inaccessible rear seat, even when utilizing the small reverse-opening rear doors, and you have a rather inhospitable vehicle for soccer practice drop-offs or local mall runs.
Yet Toyota isn't worried, as the automaker is sincere when it says the vehicle is designed for young (and kudos to Toyota for not saying "the young at heart") single males who can appreciate the FJ's extreme off-road capabilities. Beyond the two-speed transfer case, available locking differential and 17-inch wheels wearing 32-inch tires, all 4x4 models offer 9.6 inches of ground clearance, 34-degree approach and 30-degree departure angles and a 27.4-degree break-over angle. Skid plates for the engine, transfer case and fuel tank, along with 8 and 9 inches of front and rear suspension travel, respectively, would certainly go to waste on Rodeo Drive (though we're sure at least a few will end up there, nonetheless).
We personally tested all of these items in some of the most aggressive off-road driving we've yet experienced. The articulation of the double A-arm front suspension and four-link rear suspension was truly amazing to behold (whether riding in the cabin or watching from outside). Our test car also had Toyota's optional A-TRAC system, which can be activated with a switch on the dash and offers much of the same effect as a locking differential — without any binding during tight turns at low speeds. In the months leading up to the FJ Cruiser's launch in March you'll hear much ado about the vehicle's off-road prowess. It may come off as hype, but trust us when we tell you — it isn't.
Prowess has a price
With the FJ Cruiser hopping rough terrain like a frightened gazelle, you might expect on-road driving dynamics akin to a wounded ostrich. But if you've experienced any of the current-generation Land Cruisers, you know Toyota expects more from even its most capable boulder bashers. The FJ, like the Land Cruiser, is a highly affable mode of transport, even if you never go off-road. Seat comfort is superb, with supportive bolsters and a soft yet durable cloth. And despite its breadbox design there is little wind noise at speeds above 50 mph.
Steering response and braking confidence (it stopped from 60 mph in 126 feet) are also on par with even the most carlike SUVs currently available. Slalom speed was a mediocre 56 mph, but that's more a reflection of Toyota's overly aggressive stability control system than the FJ's lack of handling prowess, as it's really quite good — for a 4,300-pound SUV.
But as already mentioned, don't look to the FJ as your minivan replacement. While second-row seating is spacious enough, getting into those seats requires both a high step-up and a contortionist dance, even with the rear doors open. And rear visibility is tanklike because of the wide C-pillar and tiny corner window that proves as effective as a solar-powered flashlight. We should further point out that front visibility also takes a hit due to the high hood line, making both parking maneuvers and off-road obstacle-spotting a tricky prospect.
We do approve of the interior design, which stays true to the original FJ philosophy by being straightforward and functional rather than overly stylized and littered with gimmicks (OK, the inclinomoter in the optional dash-top gauge cluster may be a little cheesy). We do wish Toyota (along with Acura and Jaguar) would lose the bulky gated shifter design, and the color-matched center stack may not work for everyone. But kudos to them for supplying an MP3 auxiliary input on even the base audio system, and for offering an optional power outlet package with a 115-volt, three-prong A/C outlet in the cargo area.
More to come
There's already talk of a "Moab" special-edition model that will feature the talents of Toyota's in-house tuner division, TRD. Beyond that there will be a full line of accessories covering everything from roof racks to rock rails to locking storage boxes and a removable Garmin "Quest 2" navigation unit. And that's just from Toyota. More than 60 aftermarket companies have already been given full access to preproduction FJ Cruisers, and you can bet they are all hard at work on their own lines of baubles and bolt-ons.
One thing's for sure, if Toyota only produces 46,000 in the first year and the price starts at less than $25,000, there will be more demand than supply, which will inevitably mean dealer markups and eBay auctions.
So, from that perspective, the FJ will be just like every other retro vehicle of the last decade.
Stereo Evaluation
System Score: 8.0
Components: Our FJ Cruiser came with an optional upgraded audio package. It's called the FJammer audio package and it adds a few key features including an oversized volume knob, and two extra speakers in the rear pillars. On top of that there is an optional subwoofer package that also includes a leather-wrapped steering wheel with redundant audio controls. With the FJammer audio system, total speaker count is up to eight, nine when you add the subwoofer.
There are two 6-by-9s in the front doors, two 2.6 tweeters on the dash and two "exciters" (that's Toyota's term, not ours) in the ceiling and they use the headliner material as a diaphragm and are ultrathin so as not to compromise headroom. The optional subwoofer is installed in the rear cargo area.
The standard and upgraded audio systems allow you to play MP3s and WMA files plus there is an auxiliary input for plugging in a portable MP3 player. Combine that port with the available AC power outlet and you may be able to listen to your whole iPod library without worrying about battery life.
Performance: Toyota could have thrown another JBL system in this new SUV but it clearly decided to go the extra mile by offering the FJammer system. And its hard work pays off — the stereo sounds very good.
The fully optioned system we listened to has a lot going for it. With so many speakers mounted in so many locations throughout the cabin, music of all kinds sounds very big and expansive — it's a lot like surround sound. Our only complaint with this is that the music lacks presence and the surround effect cannot be turned off; that's just how it sounds. Some may prefer a sound system like the in-your-face Rockford Fosgate stereo in some Nissan trucks.
But the FJammer always has plenty of bass thanks to the rear-mounted subwoofer. Occasionally we wish the bass would have more punch. The small speakers mounted in the ceiling are virtually unnoticeable and seamlessly add to the wave of sound that surrounds the front-seat occupants. The highs are clear and midrange sounds are reproduced effectively. Unfortunately there is no midrange adjustment on the head unit.
Speaking of the head unit, we really like how Toyota gave the audio controls a little attitude. The look complements the rest of the interior and the large round volume knob is perfect for such a rugged-looking truck. Plus, that really big knob lets you feel like you're cranking up the music with an exaggerated twist of the wrist — blasting Sweet's "Fox on the Run" was particularly gratifying. Uh oh, did we give our age away?
Best Feature: Big sound and cool-looking head unit.
Worst Feature: Bass isn't sharp enough.
Conclusion: A very good sound system that is perfect for the FJ. The standard system offers a few nice features (including an auxiliary input for MP3 players), but Toyota knows this market and appropriately offers this upgraded unit. If you know what an iPod is, chances are you'll appreciate the FJammer stereo. — Brian Moody
System Score: 8.0
Components: Our FJ Cruiser came with an optional upgraded audio package. It's called the FJammer audio package and it adds a few key features including an oversized volume knob, and two extra speakers in the rear pillars. On top of that there is an optional subwoofer package that also includes a leather-wrapped steering wheel with redundant audio controls. With the FJammer audio system, total speaker count is up to eight, nine when you add the subwoofer.
There are two 6-by-9s in the front doors, two 2.6 tweeters on the dash and two "exciters" (that's Toyota's term, not ours) in the ceiling and they use the headliner material as a diaphragm and are ultrathin so as not to compromise headroom. The optional subwoofer is installed in the rear cargo area.
The standard and upgraded audio systems allow you to play MP3s and WMA files plus there is an auxiliary input for plugging in a portable MP3 player. Combine that port with the available AC power outlet and you may be able to listen to your whole iPod library without worrying about battery life.
Performance: Toyota could have thrown another JBL system in this new SUV but it clearly decided to go the extra mile by offering the FJammer system. And its hard work pays off — the stereo sounds very good.
The fully optioned system we listened to has a lot going for it. With so many speakers mounted in so many locations throughout the cabin, music of all kinds sounds very big and expansive — it's a lot like surround sound. Our only complaint with this is that the music lacks presence and the surround effect cannot be turned off; that's just how it sounds. Some may prefer a sound system like the in-your-face Rockford Fosgate stereo in some Nissan trucks.
But the FJammer always has plenty of bass thanks to the rear-mounted subwoofer. Occasionally we wish the bass would have more punch. The small speakers mounted in the ceiling are virtually unnoticeable and seamlessly add to the wave of sound that surrounds the front-seat occupants. The highs are clear and midrange sounds are reproduced effectively. Unfortunately there is no midrange adjustment on the head unit.
Speaking of the head unit, we really like how Toyota gave the audio controls a little attitude. The look complements the rest of the interior and the large round volume knob is perfect for such a rugged-looking truck. Plus, that really big knob lets you feel like you're cranking up the music with an exaggerated twist of the wrist — blasting Sweet's "Fox on the Run" was particularly gratifying. Uh oh, did we give our age away?
Best Feature: Big sound and cool-looking head unit.
Worst Feature: Bass isn't sharp enough.
Conclusion: A very good sound system that is perfect for the FJ. The standard system offers a few nice features (including an auxiliary input for MP3 players), but Toyota knows this market and appropriately offers this upgraded unit. If you know what an iPod is, chances are you'll appreciate the FJammer stereo. — Brian Moody
Second Opinion
Senior Editor Ed Hellwig says:
I'm a big fan of the original FJ40. Jam a 350 Chevy under its hood and you've got yourself the coolest 4x4 on the road. When Toyota rolled out the FJ Cruiser concept not too long ago, I was iffy on its prospects. It had some of the FJ40's styling cues, but the rest of it looked a little cartoonish. The production version is surprisingly faithful to the concept for better or worse and there's no doubt it turns heads on the road.
The design part of the equation mattered a lot less, however, than how the new FJ performed. If it couldn't live up to the look then it wouldn't have much to go on. After spending the better part of three days behind the wheel there's no doubt in my mind that it has all the right hardware. From the big, torquey V6 to the manual-shift transfer case, the FJ Cruiser is a real 4x4. It blew threw any trail we could find with ease, from fast washes to technical hill climbs, it never flinched. And with generous suspension travel and stiff springs it didn't bottom out either, something that can't be said of most stock trucks and SUVs.
It's plenty fast on the street, too, with solid highway passing power and a well-sorted transmission. Outward visibility isn't great and the steering is on the vague side, but the rest of the cabin is comfortable and easy to live with. Ultimately, I wouldn't buy it based on looks alone, but for the thousands of others who snatch one up anyway they're going to love them.
Senior Content Editor Erin Riches says:
Nissan touts the Xterra as a tough, affordable SUV with "everything you need, nothing you don't." That phrasing rolls off the tongue nicely, but when you're talking about a vehicle you drive every day, you might want to take back some of that "nothing you don't." No surprise then that despite its rugged intentions, the Toyota FJ Cruiser goes well beyond meeting your needs: Three front windshield wipers, gratuitous side mirror lights that don't signal your turn or illuminate puddles, and styling so irresistibly retro that every Range Rover driver you meet is ready to abandon his elite safari vehicle for a Toyota that's one-fourth the price.
Climb inside the FJ, though, and it feels immediately less practical than the Xterra. The driving position is very similar to the Hummer H3's and that means you're sitting up high in a wide box of a vehicle with a short glass area and lousy rear visibility. Getting into the backseat is a hassle, thanks to reverse-hinged rear doors that can only be opened when the front doors are open, and rear legroom is tight.
Of course, if transporting passengers is more novelty than necessity, you'll get over these shortcomings. Aside from its styling advantage, the FJ handles better on pavement than the Xterra. Its steering is quicker and more direct, and the ride isn't quite as bouncy. Take a corner hard and the FJ's truck origins come through loud and clear, but for the most part, Toyota's budget off-roader is perfectly at home in the suburbs.
And that's a good thing, because I passed a restored '70s-era FJ with knobby off-road tires and its driver wouldn't turn his head. He's not going to buy the 2007 FJ. The guys in the Land Rovers are going to buy them for their kids.
Senior Editor Ed Hellwig says:
I'm a big fan of the original FJ40. Jam a 350 Chevy under its hood and you've got yourself the coolest 4x4 on the road. When Toyota rolled out the FJ Cruiser concept not too long ago, I was iffy on its prospects. It had some of the FJ40's styling cues, but the rest of it looked a little cartoonish. The production version is surprisingly faithful to the concept for better or worse and there's no doubt it turns heads on the road.
The design part of the equation mattered a lot less, however, than how the new FJ performed. If it couldn't live up to the look then it wouldn't have much to go on. After spending the better part of three days behind the wheel there's no doubt in my mind that it has all the right hardware. From the big, torquey V6 to the manual-shift transfer case, the FJ Cruiser is a real 4x4. It blew threw any trail we could find with ease, from fast washes to technical hill climbs, it never flinched. And with generous suspension travel and stiff springs it didn't bottom out either, something that can't be said of most stock trucks and SUVs.
It's plenty fast on the street, too, with solid highway passing power and a well-sorted transmission. Outward visibility isn't great and the steering is on the vague side, but the rest of the cabin is comfortable and easy to live with. Ultimately, I wouldn't buy it based on looks alone, but for the thousands of others who snatch one up anyway they're going to love them.
Senior Content Editor Erin Riches says:
Nissan touts the Xterra as a tough, affordable SUV with "everything you need, nothing you don't." That phrasing rolls off the tongue nicely, but when you're talking about a vehicle you drive every day, you might want to take back some of that "nothing you don't." No surprise then that despite its rugged intentions, the Toyota FJ Cruiser goes well beyond meeting your needs: Three front windshield wipers, gratuitous side mirror lights that don't signal your turn or illuminate puddles, and styling so irresistibly retro that every Range Rover driver you meet is ready to abandon his elite safari vehicle for a Toyota that's one-fourth the price.
Climb inside the FJ, though, and it feels immediately less practical than the Xterra. The driving position is very similar to the Hummer H3's and that means you're sitting up high in a wide box of a vehicle with a short glass area and lousy rear visibility. Getting into the backseat is a hassle, thanks to reverse-hinged rear doors that can only be opened when the front doors are open, and rear legroom is tight.
Of course, if transporting passengers is more novelty than necessity, you'll get over these shortcomings. Aside from its styling advantage, the FJ handles better on pavement than the Xterra. Its steering is quicker and more direct, and the ride isn't quite as bouncy. Take a corner hard and the FJ's truck origins come through loud and clear, but for the most part, Toyota's budget off-roader is perfectly at home in the suburbs.
And that's a good thing, because I passed a restored '70s-era FJ with knobby off-road tires and its driver wouldn't turn his head. He's not going to buy the 2007 FJ. The guys in the Land Rovers are going to buy them for their kids.
Consumer Commentary
"I've been reading a lot and posting a little on different forums discussing the upcoming Toyota FJ cruiser. I must say I am in love. I plan to get one mid to late next year, after the fuss dies and any bugs can be worked out. Maybe they'll offer additional paint schemes and options by then. I'd love to hear what anyone else has to say on this model." — weisguy, November 27, 2005
"I can't stop looking into when the Toyota FJ Cruiser will be available although I am in an '04 Tundra double cab and we just got my wife an '02 Honda Accord. I need to get a new car soon. I have a large driveway/garage, why not fill it up?" — chwood, November 15, 2005
"Personally, I think that 90% of the sales for the new FJ Cruiser will come at the expense of other Toyota SUVs. I just don't see it attracting much non-Toyota traffic. Is it just my perception or is the small, entry sport/cute-ute market getting to be a bit crowded?" — rorr, November 1, 2005
"I've been reading a lot and posting a little on different forums discussing the upcoming Toyota FJ cruiser. I must say I am in love. I plan to get one mid to late next year, after the fuss dies and any bugs can be worked out. Maybe they'll offer additional paint schemes and options by then. I'd love to hear what anyone else has to say on this model." — weisguy, November 27, 2005
"I can't stop looking into when the Toyota FJ Cruiser will be available although I am in an '04 Tundra double cab and we just got my wife an '02 Honda Accord. I need to get a new car soon. I have a large driveway/garage, why not fill it up?" — chwood, November 15, 2005
"Personally, I think that 90% of the sales for the new FJ Cruiser will come at the expense of other Toyota SUVs. I just don't see it attracting much non-Toyota traffic. Is it just my perception or is the small, entry sport/cute-ute market getting to be a bit crowded?" — rorr, November 1, 2005
Specs & Performance
Vehicle
Model Year: 2007
Make: Toyota
Model: FJ Cruiser
Style: SUV
Base Price: Not Available
Price as Tested: Not Available
Drive Type: Four-wheel drive
Transmission Type: Five-speed auto
Displacement (liters): 4.0
Engine Type: V6
Horsepower (hp @ rpm): 239 @ 5,200
Torque (ft-lbs @ rpm): 278 @ 3,700
Braking System: Ventilated disc
Steering System: Power-assisted rack-and-pinion
Suspension Type (front): Double A-arm, coil springs
Suspension Type (rear): Four-link, solid axle with Panhard rod
Tire Size (front): P265/70SR17
Tire Size (rear): P265/70SR17
Tire Brand: Bridgestone
Tire Model: Duehler H/T
Curb Weight (lbs): 4295
Recommended Fuel: 91-octane unleaded
Fuel Tank Capacity (gal): 19
EPA Fuel Economy (mpg): 17 City 21 Highway
Edmunds Observed (mpg): 15.7
Conditions for Testing
Temperature (Fahrenheit): 82
Humidity: 15%
Elevation (ft): 1050
Wind: 0
Performance
0 - 30 (sec): 2.8
0 - 45 (sec): 5.0
0 - 60 (sec): 7.8
0 - 75 (sec): 11.9
1/4 Mile (sec @ mph): 15.64 @ 86.91
30 - 0 (ft): 30.25
60 - 0 (ft): 126.6
Braking Rating (Excellent, Good, Average, Poor or Very Poor): Good
Slalom (mph): 56.4
Turning Circle (ft), curb-to-curb: .69
Handling Rating (Excellent, Good, Average, Poor or Very Poor): Good
Db @ Idle: 45
Db @ Full Throttle: 71
Db @ 70 mph Cruise: 69
Acceleration: All runs performed in "drive" with no manual shifting.
Braking: No ABS noise. Plenty of pitch and dive at full ABS activation.
Handling: Heavy VDIM activation, and no "off" switch direction was an issue in getting quick times. Directional control was difficult with VDIM activation on front brakes at this speed. Resulted in severe understeer.
Specifications
Length: 183.9 in.
Width: 74.6 in.
Height: 71.6 in.
Wheelbase: 105.9 in.
Legroom (front): 41.9 in.
Legroom (rear): 31.3 in.
Headroom (front): 41.3 in.
Headroom (rear): 40.3 in.
Maximum Seating Capacity: 5
Cargo Volume: 27.9 cubic feet
Maximum Cargo Volume (rear seats down): 66.8 cubic feet
Warranty Information
Bumper-to-Bumper: 3 years/36,000 miles
Power Train: 5 years/60,000 miles
Corrosion: 5 years/unlimited miles
Roadside Assistance: Not available
Scheduled Maintenance: Not available
Safety Information
Front Airbags: Standard
Side Airbags: Optional
Head Airbags: Not Available
Antilock Brakes: Standard
Electronic Brake Enhancements: Optional
Traction Control: Optional
Stability Control: Standard
Rollover Protection: Not Available
Emergency Assistance System: Not Available
NHTSA Crash Test Driver: Not Available
NHTSA Crash Test Passenger: Not Available
NHTSA Crash Test Side Front: Not Available
NHTSA Crash Test Side Rear: Not Available
NHTSA Rollover: Not Available
IIHS Offset: Not Available
Vehicle
Model Year: 2007
Make: Toyota
Model: FJ Cruiser
Style: SUV
Base Price: Not Available
Price as Tested: Not Available
Drive Type: Four-wheel drive
Transmission Type: Five-speed auto
Displacement (liters): 4.0
Engine Type: V6
Horsepower (hp @ rpm): 239 @ 5,200
Torque (ft-lbs @ rpm): 278 @ 3,700
Braking System: Ventilated disc
Steering System: Power-assisted rack-and-pinion
Suspension Type (front): Double A-arm, coil springs
Suspension Type (rear): Four-link, solid axle with Panhard rod
Tire Size (front): P265/70SR17
Tire Size (rear): P265/70SR17
Tire Brand: Bridgestone
Tire Model: Duehler H/T
Curb Weight (lbs): 4295
Recommended Fuel: 91-octane unleaded
Fuel Tank Capacity (gal): 19
EPA Fuel Economy (mpg): 17 City 21 Highway
Edmunds Observed (mpg): 15.7
Conditions for Testing
Temperature (Fahrenheit): 82
Humidity: 15%
Elevation (ft): 1050
Wind: 0
Performance
0 - 30 (sec): 2.8
0 - 45 (sec): 5.0
0 - 60 (sec): 7.8
0 - 75 (sec): 11.9
1/4 Mile (sec @ mph): 15.64 @ 86.91
30 - 0 (ft): 30.25
60 - 0 (ft): 126.6
Braking Rating (Excellent, Good, Average, Poor or Very Poor): Good
Slalom (mph): 56.4
Turning Circle (ft), curb-to-curb: .69
Handling Rating (Excellent, Good, Average, Poor or Very Poor): Good
Db @ Idle: 45
Db @ Full Throttle: 71
Db @ 70 mph Cruise: 69
Acceleration: All runs performed in "drive" with no manual shifting.
Braking: No ABS noise. Plenty of pitch and dive at full ABS activation.
Handling: Heavy VDIM activation, and no "off" switch direction was an issue in getting quick times. Directional control was difficult with VDIM activation on front brakes at this speed. Resulted in severe understeer.
Specifications
Length: 183.9 in.
Width: 74.6 in.
Height: 71.6 in.
Wheelbase: 105.9 in.
Legroom (front): 41.9 in.
Legroom (rear): 31.3 in.
Headroom (front): 41.3 in.
Headroom (rear): 40.3 in.
Maximum Seating Capacity: 5
Cargo Volume: 27.9 cubic feet
Maximum Cargo Volume (rear seats down): 66.8 cubic feet
Warranty Information
Bumper-to-Bumper: 3 years/36,000 miles
Power Train: 5 years/60,000 miles
Corrosion: 5 years/unlimited miles
Roadside Assistance: Not available
Scheduled Maintenance: Not available
Safety Information
Front Airbags: Standard
Side Airbags: Optional
Head Airbags: Not Available
Antilock Brakes: Standard
Electronic Brake Enhancements: Optional
Traction Control: Optional
Stability Control: Standard
Rollover Protection: Not Available
Emergency Assistance System: Not Available
NHTSA Crash Test Driver: Not Available
NHTSA Crash Test Passenger: Not Available
NHTSA Crash Test Side Front: Not Available
NHTSA Crash Test Side Rear: Not Available
NHTSA Rollover: Not Available
IIHS Offset: Not Available
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TORRANCE, Calif., Jan. 4 — Toyota Motor Sales (TMS), U.S.A., Inc., announced manufacturer's suggested retail prices (MSRP) today for the all-new 2007 FJ Cruiser sport utility vehicle (SUV) and all-new 2007 Yaris liftback and sedans. Additionally, the all-new Yaris Sedan and sporty S Sedan made their world debut at a press conference today at the 2006 Greater Los Angeles Auto Show.
The all-new FJ Cruiser SUV was created to give customers the freedom to go anywhere and do anything. The overwhelmingly positive response to the FJ Cruiser concept, developed over three years ago, prompted Toyota to launch a production version of the SUV. The all-new production model retains much of the design details of the original concept.
Chiseled from nearly a half-century tradition of tough off-road performance provided by the legendary FJ 40, the original 4Runner, and 4x4 compact pickups, the FJ Cruiser was developed as a capable and affordable off-roader aimed specifically at young buyers with active outdoor lifestyles.
The FJ Cruiser takes on an authentic functional form, yet adopts several styling cues from the original FJ 40. Some of these cues are notable on the front end by its wide grille with "Toyota" logo badging, round headlights, and offset combination lamps. Additional inspiration can be found through its upright windshield and white cap roof. Traits are also noticeable in the rear with wrapping rear corner windows. The modern shape of the FJ Cruiser is woven into a compact package set on a wide track, producing enhanced stability and a powerful stance.
Power is supplied by a 4.0-liter V6 engine, which generates 239 horsepower and 278 lb-ft. of torque. The engine is paired with a five-speed automatic transmission on both 4x2 and part-time 4x4 configurations and an available six-speed manual on full-time 4x4 models.
The five-passenger FJ Cruiser rides on a modified Prado (overseas Land Cruiser configuration) platform and features 17-inch steel wheels and four-wheel disc brakes. Just like all of the SUV's in Toyota's line-up, the FJ Cruiser will be equipped with the STAR SAFETY SYSTEM(TM) which includes Vehicle Stability Control (VSC) and traction control (TRAC), an anti-lock brake system (ABS) with electronic brake-force distribution (EBD) and brake assist as standard. All 4x2 models will come with a standard automatic limited slip differential (ALSD).
The tough and straightforward theme of the FJ Cruiser is extended to the interior with a cabin designed specifically for basic functionality and flexible utility. The instrument panel features an exterior color trim, adding to its sophisticated, handcrafted appearance. The faceplate with round inset instrumentation communicates a mechanical appearance. The steering wheel and center-mounted shifter, and attached-look door panels feature tool-like simplicity. The rear seats fold flat, creating ample cargo space and maximum usability.
The interior will be equipped with an array of standard convenience features including air conditioning, AM/FM CD audio with six speakers, tilt steering wheel, four cupholders, passenger seat back pocket, and an upper dash-mounted map/glove box.
Utility features include a two-part rear hatch with flip-up glass, black overfenders with mudguards, and silver painted bumper extenders, mirrors, door handles and skid plate. Easy rear passenger entry into the two-door SUV is achieved with rear access doors.
Additional optional equipment includes 17-inch aluminum alloy wheels, rear differential lock, electronic four-wheel traction control (on 4WD models only), running boards, rear sonar backup assist, front seat-mounted side airbags and front- and rear-side curtain airbags, daytime running lights, power outside mirror with image lights, cruise control, AM/FM CD audio with a six-disc changer, equalizer and eight speakers, leather-wrapped steering wheel with audio controls, multi-information display, exterior color door insert panels, privacy glass, and rear wiper.
Pricing for the FJ Cruiser will reflect an excellent value when it launches this spring. The FJ Cruiser 4x2 with a five-speed automatic transmission will carry a base MSRP of $21,710. Pricing for the FJ Cruiser 4x4 with a six-speed manual will be priced at $22,890 while the 4x4 with a five-speed automatic will start at $23,300.
The all-new FJ Cruiser SUV was created to give customers the freedom to go anywhere and do anything. The overwhelmingly positive response to the FJ Cruiser concept, developed over three years ago, prompted Toyota to launch a production version of the SUV. The all-new production model retains much of the design details of the original concept.
Chiseled from nearly a half-century tradition of tough off-road performance provided by the legendary FJ 40, the original 4Runner, and 4x4 compact pickups, the FJ Cruiser was developed as a capable and affordable off-roader aimed specifically at young buyers with active outdoor lifestyles.
The FJ Cruiser takes on an authentic functional form, yet adopts several styling cues from the original FJ 40. Some of these cues are notable on the front end by its wide grille with "Toyota" logo badging, round headlights, and offset combination lamps. Additional inspiration can be found through its upright windshield and white cap roof. Traits are also noticeable in the rear with wrapping rear corner windows. The modern shape of the FJ Cruiser is woven into a compact package set on a wide track, producing enhanced stability and a powerful stance.
Power is supplied by a 4.0-liter V6 engine, which generates 239 horsepower and 278 lb-ft. of torque. The engine is paired with a five-speed automatic transmission on both 4x2 and part-time 4x4 configurations and an available six-speed manual on full-time 4x4 models.
The five-passenger FJ Cruiser rides on a modified Prado (overseas Land Cruiser configuration) platform and features 17-inch steel wheels and four-wheel disc brakes. Just like all of the SUV's in Toyota's line-up, the FJ Cruiser will be equipped with the STAR SAFETY SYSTEM(TM) which includes Vehicle Stability Control (VSC) and traction control (TRAC), an anti-lock brake system (ABS) with electronic brake-force distribution (EBD) and brake assist as standard. All 4x2 models will come with a standard automatic limited slip differential (ALSD).
The tough and straightforward theme of the FJ Cruiser is extended to the interior with a cabin designed specifically for basic functionality and flexible utility. The instrument panel features an exterior color trim, adding to its sophisticated, handcrafted appearance. The faceplate with round inset instrumentation communicates a mechanical appearance. The steering wheel and center-mounted shifter, and attached-look door panels feature tool-like simplicity. The rear seats fold flat, creating ample cargo space and maximum usability.
The interior will be equipped with an array of standard convenience features including air conditioning, AM/FM CD audio with six speakers, tilt steering wheel, four cupholders, passenger seat back pocket, and an upper dash-mounted map/glove box.
Utility features include a two-part rear hatch with flip-up glass, black overfenders with mudguards, and silver painted bumper extenders, mirrors, door handles and skid plate. Easy rear passenger entry into the two-door SUV is achieved with rear access doors.
Additional optional equipment includes 17-inch aluminum alloy wheels, rear differential lock, electronic four-wheel traction control (on 4WD models only), running boards, rear sonar backup assist, front seat-mounted side airbags and front- and rear-side curtain airbags, daytime running lights, power outside mirror with image lights, cruise control, AM/FM CD audio with a six-disc changer, equalizer and eight speakers, leather-wrapped steering wheel with audio controls, multi-information display, exterior color door insert panels, privacy glass, and rear wiper.
Pricing for the FJ Cruiser will reflect an excellent value when it launches this spring. The FJ Cruiser 4x2 with a five-speed automatic transmission will carry a base MSRP of $21,710. Pricing for the FJ Cruiser 4x4 with a six-speed manual will be priced at $22,890 while the 4x4 with a five-speed automatic will start at $23,300.
01-04-2006, 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by zeroday
a six speed 4x4 for 23k?
And I'd off-road it.
01-05-2006, 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by zeroday
^^huh?
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the white top on the silver has got to go, and other than that i get the strange feeling it is a more functional element with the correct powertrain
so basically an element would suffice for most of the people who buy this....
but its still suite
so basically an element would suffice for most of the people who buy this....
but its still suite
01-05-2006, 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by zeroday
no comparison.
you can't even begin to draw comparisons on these 2 vehicles, they won't even come close to selling to the same demographic group.
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my point was that for two suv's that look relatively similar, a lot of people who want the fj will only use the functionality of an element
my boss already wants to trade in his g35 for one to use as a commuter car
my boss already wants to trade in his g35 for one to use as a commuter car
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Originally Posted by 03typeS6spd
my point was that for two suv's that look relatively similar, a lot of people who want the fj will only use the functionality of an element
my boss already wants to trade in his g35 for one to use as a commuter car
my boss already wants to trade in his g35 for one to use as a commuter car
01-05-2006, 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by 03typeS6spd
forget it, apparently i can't explain what i am trying to say, or you arent trying to listen
if you're also saying that most people buy SUVs and never go off-roading, i would completely agree with you. BUT, the FJ is truly capable of it. however, the FJ is being targeted based on price, features, and image to mid 20 year old males. this is a demographic group that would be more prone to actually make use of the FJ's off-roading capabilities. this group is also one that is much more often that not, unwilling to even bat an eye at an element purchase.
01-05-2006, 12:50 PM
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I like the idea of the FJ, but the way it turned out, don't think its all that practical of an onroad truck. Takes premium, gets crap mpg, bare bones interior. Would have liked to have seen the tacomas 4-cyl with a lower entry price and a removable hard top.
01-05-2006, 12:54 PM
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it doesnt require premium gas. it has the same engine as in my 4runner and ive been running on 87 since i bought it. no problems. the timing in the engine automatically adjusts to prevent detonation due to low octane fuel.
01-05-2006, 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by GTKrockeTT
if you're trying to say they look similar...i would agree to a small extent, but the FJ has a rugged off-road look, way beyond the box look of the element.
if you're also saying that most people buy SUVs and never go off-roading, i would completely agree with you. BUT, the FJ is truly capable of it. however, the FJ is being targeted based on price, features, and image to mid 20 year old males. this is a demographic group that would be more prone to actually make use of the FJ's off-roading capabilities. this group is also one that is much more often that not, unwilling to even bat an eye at an element purchase.
if you're also saying that most people buy SUVs and never go off-roading, i would completely agree with you. BUT, the FJ is truly capable of it. however, the FJ is being targeted based on price, features, and image to mid 20 year old males. this is a demographic group that would be more prone to actually make use of the FJ's off-roading capabilities. this group is also one that is much more often that not, unwilling to even bat an eye at an element purchase.
i would never consider the element, and i think this thing is almost a perfect fit of a hard top wrangler sized more usable for daily life suv... but pushing 30k for the one in the link is approaching a target price not as many younger males will be willing to spend new
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