Sept Road & Track/Car and Driver: USA vs Europe
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Sept Road & Track/Car and Driver: USA vs Europe
Can't scan it and the full articles aren't on-line yet but here are some numbers to chew on for now. Great reads BTW.
Road & Track
Z06, Viper, Ford GT vs 911 Turbo, Gallardo, F430
0-60
Z06 - 4.1
Viper - 4.2
GT - 3.8
Gallardo - 3.9
911 - 3.9
F430 - 3.8
1/4 Mile
Z06 - 12.2 @118.7
Viper - 12.3 @116.5
GT - 11.7 @126.1
Gallardo - 12.3 @ 115.6
911 - 12.3 @113.7
F430 - 11.9 @123.3
Lap Times(1.74 mile)
Z06 - 1:19.5
Viper - 1:19.5
GT - 1:19.8
Gallardo - 1:17.8
911 - 1:20.0
F430 - 1:17.4
0-100-0
Z06 - 13.1
Viper - 13.5
GT - 12.4
Gallardo - 13.0
911 - 13.4
F430 - 12.5
Its important to note that R&T makes no adjustments to these times as do other mags. They report exactly what they get. Interesting considering the results C&D got from 3 of these competitors.
Car & Driver
0-60
Z06 - 3.5
911 - 3.4
F430 - 4.1*
1/4 Mile
Z06 - 11.7 @123
911 - 11.7 @121
F430 - 12.5 @116*
Lap Times (1.6 mile)
Z06 - 1:15.85/75.9(mph)
911 - 1:17.55/74.3
F430 - 1:18.20/73.7
*Test results from Aug 2005. Ferrari couldn't provide C&D with a car so they used a customer's car and standing start runs were not allowed. So the data isn't really accurate.
1st - F430
2nd - 911 Turbo
3rd - Z06
R&T's conclusion.
"There's no clear winner. Both sides showed alot of heart, the europeans have the edge in overall handling finesse, sophistication and sheer high revving excitement, whereas the Americans show their mettle with big pistons, thundering tourque and a general blunt-force trauma approach to battle. Of course, the Europeans are the far procier lot, but the stop watch registers in seconds, not dollar signs."
Road & Track
Z06, Viper, Ford GT vs 911 Turbo, Gallardo, F430
0-60
Z06 - 4.1
Viper - 4.2
GT - 3.8
Gallardo - 3.9
911 - 3.9
F430 - 3.8
1/4 Mile
Z06 - 12.2 @118.7
Viper - 12.3 @116.5
GT - 11.7 @126.1
Gallardo - 12.3 @ 115.6
911 - 12.3 @113.7
F430 - 11.9 @123.3
Lap Times(1.74 mile)
Z06 - 1:19.5
Viper - 1:19.5
GT - 1:19.8
Gallardo - 1:17.8
911 - 1:20.0
F430 - 1:17.4
0-100-0
Z06 - 13.1
Viper - 13.5
GT - 12.4
Gallardo - 13.0
911 - 13.4
F430 - 12.5
Its important to note that R&T makes no adjustments to these times as do other mags. They report exactly what they get. Interesting considering the results C&D got from 3 of these competitors.
Car & Driver
0-60
Z06 - 3.5
911 - 3.4
F430 - 4.1*
1/4 Mile
Z06 - 11.7 @123
911 - 11.7 @121
F430 - 12.5 @116*
Lap Times (1.6 mile)
Z06 - 1:15.85/75.9(mph)
911 - 1:17.55/74.3
F430 - 1:18.20/73.7
*Test results from Aug 2005. Ferrari couldn't provide C&D with a car so they used a customer's car and standing start runs were not allowed. So the data isn't really accurate.
1st - F430
2nd - 911 Turbo
3rd - Z06
R&T's conclusion.
"There's no clear winner. Both sides showed alot of heart, the europeans have the edge in overall handling finesse, sophistication and sheer high revving excitement, whereas the Americans show their mettle with big pistons, thundering tourque and a general blunt-force trauma approach to battle. Of course, the Europeans are the far procier lot, but the stop watch registers in seconds, not dollar signs."
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that first set of Z06 results seemed slower than expected...
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Not the first time R&T has tested the Z06 that "slow" If I recall their previous test was also pretty similar. 4.1 as well.
The F430 was kind of surprising for me. But I think its also important to mention that since the testing took place in Europe, R&T may have used a Euro spec F430 F1 which has launch control for better standing start times which isn't available on US spec F430's. Although the article doesn't get into that.
The F430 was kind of surprising for me. But I think its also important to mention that since the testing took place in Europe, R&T may have used a Euro spec F430 F1 which has launch control for better standing start times which isn't available on US spec F430's. Although the article doesn't get into that.
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I have not read the article yet (trying to get through last months R&T and my F1 mag before I start on this R&T issue), but I am looking forward to reading this one. Maybe I will just read it tomorrow so I can participate in the discussion.
Just skimming over the numbers though (in the actual mag), I was surprised at some of the 911's numbers (ie a tad slower than I expected).
Just skimming over the numbers though (in the actual mag), I was surprised at some of the 911's numbers (ie a tad slower than I expected).
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Pathetic times! The Ford GT times are the worst. 11.9@126...HAHA!! It just proves that Road and Track is the WORST car magazine. A 126 trap is good for low 11s. The Z06 traps are off about 6-7 mph too. It appears to me that they can only get good times out of cars that do the driving for themselves. All the cars with true manuals had SLOW ET's and traps.
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On paper, the Z06 Corvette is the best car here. It accelerates as quickly as the 911 Turbo through the quarter and wastes both the Porsche and Ferrari at speeds above 120 mph. How about 0 to 150 mph in 17.7 seconds? That’s up there in Ford GT territory, if not as stupid fast as a McLaren F1. The Z06 has the most grip at 1.01 g and the best braking performance. On an autobahn, it was still accelerating while the Ferrari was topped out in sixth gear at 186 mph. Around our road course, it was an easy victor, 1.7 seconds quicker than the Porsche on a near-76-second lap. It does all this for about a third of the Ferrari’s price. The Z06 is the best performance value in the world, period.
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But impressive as it is, the Z06 just isn’t as good as the two others. It might stop from 70 mph in the shortest distance — 146 feet — but the brake-pedal feel isn’t as good as the Ferrari’s and Porsche’s. The shifter is a bit crude and requires relatively high effort. The steering has plenty of weight but isn’t very linear and lacks feel.
Around the handling course, light weight works to the Corvette’s benefit, but it is tricky to drive fast, and you had better be able to deal with power oversteer. If you can, it’s a lot of fun. In the wet, with the stability system disengaged, the car is a horror show, understeering on turn-in and snapping into oversteer with power. Correct, hold the attitude on the throttle, and — whoa! — the car snaps back the other way as you straighten, a corollary of the slightly numb steering and vicious torque reaction. At speed on the highway, we didn’t think it was as stable as the other cars here, the way the hood and mirrors flapped around was disconcerting, and the ride was choppy over broken pavement. Hit a bump in the middle of a corner, and you can become a passenger.
Also on the debit side, the interior looks decidedly low rent in this company. Sure, it’s the cheapest car here, so we will cut it some slack, but we’re confident that Z06 buyers would be willing to spend an extra five grand for an interior that has plastics and leather that are comparable with the Porsche’s. And although the seats are comfortable enough over long journeys, they lack lateral support and feel flimsy.
So the Corvette places last, but being a strong contender in this company is a victory for Chevrolet. Look at it this way: Finishing third in this test is like getting a date with Jessica Simpson rather than Claudia Schiffer or Monica Bellucci.
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But impressive as it is, the Z06 just isn’t as good as the two others. It might stop from 70 mph in the shortest distance — 146 feet — but the brake-pedal feel isn’t as good as the Ferrari’s and Porsche’s. The shifter is a bit crude and requires relatively high effort. The steering has plenty of weight but isn’t very linear and lacks feel.
Around the handling course, light weight works to the Corvette’s benefit, but it is tricky to drive fast, and you had better be able to deal with power oversteer. If you can, it’s a lot of fun. In the wet, with the stability system disengaged, the car is a horror show, understeering on turn-in and snapping into oversteer with power. Correct, hold the attitude on the throttle, and — whoa! — the car snaps back the other way as you straighten, a corollary of the slightly numb steering and vicious torque reaction. At speed on the highway, we didn’t think it was as stable as the other cars here, the way the hood and mirrors flapped around was disconcerting, and the ride was choppy over broken pavement. Hit a bump in the middle of a corner, and you can become a passenger.
Also on the debit side, the interior looks decidedly low rent in this company. Sure, it’s the cheapest car here, so we will cut it some slack, but we’re confident that Z06 buyers would be willing to spend an extra five grand for an interior that has plastics and leather that are comparable with the Porsche’s. And although the seats are comfortable enough over long journeys, they lack lateral support and feel flimsy.
So the Corvette places last, but being a strong contender in this company is a victory for Chevrolet. Look at it this way: Finishing third in this test is like getting a date with Jessica Simpson rather than Claudia Schiffer or Monica Bellucci.
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Pathetic times! The Ford GT times are the worst. 11.9@126...HAHA!! It just proves that Road and Track is the WORST car magazine. A 126 trap is good for low 11s. The Z06 traps are off about 6-7 mph too. It appears to me that they can only get good times out of cars that do the driving for themselves. All the cars with true manuals had SLOW ET's and traps.
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Originally Posted by Maximized
Pathetic times! The Ford GT times are the worst. 11.9@126...HAHA!! It just proves that Road and Track is the WORST car magazine. A 126 trap is good for low 11s. The Z06 traps are off about 6-7 mph too. It appears to me that they can only get good times out of cars that do the driving for themselves. All the cars with true manuals had SLOW ET's and traps.
Z06 and GT numbers have been variying a lot since last year. For the Z06 I have seen from 11.7 to 12.2 as I can remember.
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Originally Posted by gavriil
C+D adjusts for climate conditions. I am sure RT folks can drive.
Z06 and GT numbers have been variying a lot since last year. For the Z06 I have seen from 11.7 to 12.2 as I can remember.
Z06 and GT numbers have been variying a lot since last year. For the Z06 I have seen from 11.7 to 12.2 as I can remember.
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