Porsche: Cayenne News
08-27-2003, 07:09 PM
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Originally posted by amirsafdari
gav are both the toureg and cayenne assembled in germany?
gav are both the toureg and cayenne assembled in germany?
08-28-2003, 08:27 AM
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Originally posted by amirsafdari
gav are both the toureg and cayenne assembled in germany?
gav are both the toureg and cayenne assembled in germany?
08-28-2003, 08:55 AM
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Reuters / August 27, 2003
FRANKFURT (Reuters) -- Germany's Porsche, famed for its growling sports cars, said Wednesday that it was set to launch a low-powered version of its Cayenne SUV -- one of the slowest models it has produced in decades.
The world's most profitable carmaker said the new model, equipped with a V-6 engine from Volkswagen, would take 9.1 seconds to hit 62 mph, almost as long as it takes its fastest sports car to reach double that speed.
"The first Porsche with a V-6 engine will be available in European markets from the end of November, and in the United States in the first half of 2004," the company said in a statement. The basic model would cost $44,580 before tax.
Launched last year, the more powerful V-8 versions of the Cayenne were a radical departure for Porsche, which built its reputation on race-winning sports cars, not the two-ton offroaders that now dominate American highways.
Praised by some as the ultimate symbol of indulgence and loathed by others as an ugly irrelevance, the Cayenne has kept Porsche sales on track as demand for its traditional 911 and Boxster sports cars slows.
Sales of the 911 and Boxster slipped 9 percent in the nine months to the end of April, the first three quarters of Porsche's business year, although demand for the Cayenne meant the company sold 13 percent more cars overall.
Some industry watchers say the arrival of a slower Cayenne, which has a top speed of 133 mph, suggest sales and pricing of the more powerful versions have nonetheless fallen short of expectations, and worry the car will damage Porsche's reputation as a maker of brawny racers.
"The launch of the V-6 could stretch Porsche's brand credibility to the limit in our view," Goldman Sachs said in a research note this year, when rumors of a Cayenne V-6 model were first circulating.
"It would be the slowest Porsche since the 924 of the 1970s, Price competition with VW and BMW will be intense and margins minimal," Goldman Sachs added.
The 924, considered by Porsche purists to be one of the brand's least collectible models, used a four-cylinder engine designed by VW's Audi division, which also assembled the car.
The two companies more recently collaborated on the development of the Cayenne and Volkswagen's Tourag off-roader. VW already offers the latter with a six-cylinder engine, while BMW offers its X5 SUV with six-cylinder gasoline and diesel engines.
But other investors are more optimistic about the new model. Analysts at Lehman Brothers said they expected Porsche to sell 5,000 Cayenne V-6s in 2003/2004, or about 15 percent of total Cayenne sales, rising to over a quarter of sales the following year.
"A limited supply of V-6s should enable Porsche to run its Leipzig plant at its full capacity of 40,000 units and improve overall profit contribution," Merrill Lynch said in a recent note.
FRANKFURT (Reuters) -- Germany's Porsche, famed for its growling sports cars, said Wednesday that it was set to launch a low-powered version of its Cayenne SUV -- one of the slowest models it has produced in decades.
The world's most profitable carmaker said the new model, equipped with a V-6 engine from Volkswagen, would take 9.1 seconds to hit 62 mph, almost as long as it takes its fastest sports car to reach double that speed.
"The first Porsche with a V-6 engine will be available in European markets from the end of November, and in the United States in the first half of 2004," the company said in a statement. The basic model would cost $44,580 before tax.
Launched last year, the more powerful V-8 versions of the Cayenne were a radical departure for Porsche, which built its reputation on race-winning sports cars, not the two-ton offroaders that now dominate American highways.
Praised by some as the ultimate symbol of indulgence and loathed by others as an ugly irrelevance, the Cayenne has kept Porsche sales on track as demand for its traditional 911 and Boxster sports cars slows.
Sales of the 911 and Boxster slipped 9 percent in the nine months to the end of April, the first three quarters of Porsche's business year, although demand for the Cayenne meant the company sold 13 percent more cars overall.
Some industry watchers say the arrival of a slower Cayenne, which has a top speed of 133 mph, suggest sales and pricing of the more powerful versions have nonetheless fallen short of expectations, and worry the car will damage Porsche's reputation as a maker of brawny racers.
"The launch of the V-6 could stretch Porsche's brand credibility to the limit in our view," Goldman Sachs said in a research note this year, when rumors of a Cayenne V-6 model were first circulating.
"It would be the slowest Porsche since the 924 of the 1970s, Price competition with VW and BMW will be intense and margins minimal," Goldman Sachs added.
The 924, considered by Porsche purists to be one of the brand's least collectible models, used a four-cylinder engine designed by VW's Audi division, which also assembled the car.
The two companies more recently collaborated on the development of the Cayenne and Volkswagen's Tourag off-roader. VW already offers the latter with a six-cylinder engine, while BMW offers its X5 SUV with six-cylinder gasoline and diesel engines.
But other investors are more optimistic about the new model. Analysts at Lehman Brothers said they expected Porsche to sell 5,000 Cayenne V-6s in 2003/2004, or about 15 percent of total Cayenne sales, rising to over a quarter of sales the following year.
"A limited supply of V-6s should enable Porsche to run its Leipzig plant at its full capacity of 40,000 units and improve overall profit contribution," Merrill Lynch said in a recent note.
08-28-2003, 08:57 AM
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So I was about right with my "guesstimate" on the pricing. So after a few necessary options, it would go out the door for high $40Ks.....let's call it $50K.
Sorry, that's too expensive.
Sorry, that's too expensive.
08-28-2003, 11:05 AM
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Priced To Move: Porsche to unveil cheaper V6 Cayenne at Frankfurt
By GREG KABLE
Porsche will reveal a lower-priced, lower-powered version of the Cayenne in Frankfurt. It'll be powered by a lightly tuned version of Volkswagen’s 3.2-litre V6 engine—as used in the Golf R32, among other models—at the Frankfurt auto show next month. The VW mill is the first ever V6 of any kind to be slotted in a Porsche factory product.
The V6 offering comes after disappointing sales of the V8 edition of the German off-roader in Europe, where buyers have shied away from the more powerful but notoriously thirsty Cayenne S and Turbo in favor of more fuel-efficient luxury offerings such as the Volkswagen Touareg.
In the United States, the Cayenne went on sale in March and hasn’t experienced any such sales disappointment. The truck is selling at the rate of about 1500 units per month, at which rate it will breeze past the company’s U.S. sales target of 12,500 annually. The U.S. number represents half of the total worldwide production prior to expanded capacity for the newly announced model. The current Porsche truck lineup is priced at $55,900 for the S and $88,900 for the Turbo.
In Germany, the V6 truck costs e47,592 ($52,000), but the price will likely fall below $50,000 to compete with similarly-powered luxo/utes and put some room between it and the V8 Cayenne on Porsche’s pricing scale. The vehicle goes on sale during the first half of 2004 in the United States following the European introduction this fall.
While the forthcoming Cayenne may be a step down in power, it will be the only Cayenne model to be offered with a manual gearbox; a new six-speed should be available by the time it hits the States. The V6, which makes 217 hp in the Touareg, gets a 30-hp bump to 247 at 6000 rpm in the Cayenne thanks to engine controller and exhaust system changes. Torque is rated at 228 lb-ft at 2500 to 5500 rpm. The V6 Cayenne goes from 0 to 60 mph in 9.1 seconds, compared to the Turbo’s estimated 5.6-second run. Top speed is expected to be 133 mph. The normally aspirated V8-equipped Cayenne produces 340 hp and 310 lb-ft, while the Turbo makes 450 hp and 457 lb-ft.
Sources suggest that the 308-hp, 553-lb-ft 5.0-liter V10 turbocharged diesel V10—currently offered in the Touareg—could be next for the Cayenne.
By GREG KABLE
Porsche will reveal a lower-priced, lower-powered version of the Cayenne in Frankfurt. It'll be powered by a lightly tuned version of Volkswagen’s 3.2-litre V6 engine—as used in the Golf R32, among other models—at the Frankfurt auto show next month. The VW mill is the first ever V6 of any kind to be slotted in a Porsche factory product.
The V6 offering comes after disappointing sales of the V8 edition of the German off-roader in Europe, where buyers have shied away from the more powerful but notoriously thirsty Cayenne S and Turbo in favor of more fuel-efficient luxury offerings such as the Volkswagen Touareg.
In the United States, the Cayenne went on sale in March and hasn’t experienced any such sales disappointment. The truck is selling at the rate of about 1500 units per month, at which rate it will breeze past the company’s U.S. sales target of 12,500 annually. The U.S. number represents half of the total worldwide production prior to expanded capacity for the newly announced model. The current Porsche truck lineup is priced at $55,900 for the S and $88,900 for the Turbo.
In Germany, the V6 truck costs e47,592 ($52,000), but the price will likely fall below $50,000 to compete with similarly-powered luxo/utes and put some room between it and the V8 Cayenne on Porsche’s pricing scale. The vehicle goes on sale during the first half of 2004 in the United States following the European introduction this fall.
While the forthcoming Cayenne may be a step down in power, it will be the only Cayenne model to be offered with a manual gearbox; a new six-speed should be available by the time it hits the States. The V6, which makes 217 hp in the Touareg, gets a 30-hp bump to 247 at 6000 rpm in the Cayenne thanks to engine controller and exhaust system changes. Torque is rated at 228 lb-ft at 2500 to 5500 rpm. The V6 Cayenne goes from 0 to 60 mph in 9.1 seconds, compared to the Turbo’s estimated 5.6-second run. Top speed is expected to be 133 mph. The normally aspirated V8-equipped Cayenne produces 340 hp and 310 lb-ft, while the Turbo makes 450 hp and 457 lb-ft.
Sources suggest that the 308-hp, 553-lb-ft 5.0-liter V10 turbocharged diesel V10—currently offered in the Touareg—could be next for the Cayenne.
08-28-2003, 11:11 AM
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So the Turbo does the 60 in 5.4, the "S" does it in about 7.0 and it would only make sense if the lower model does it in about 8.0-8.3 seconds.
The problem is: they do not have the right engine available for the business objective. A 280HP V6 like the on in the G35C would be THE right choice. But VW does not have that engine.
Getting the engine from the R32 is kind of a desperate move in my opinion.
By the way, one can also say now that this is a Porsche with a Golf's engine
That sounds pretty bad. Worse than the 9.1 sec for the 62mph.
The problem is: they do not have the right engine available for the business objective. A 280HP V6 like the on in the G35C would be THE right choice. But VW does not have that engine.
Getting the engine from the R32 is kind of a desperate move in my opinion.
By the way, one can also say now that this is a Porsche with a Golf's engine
That sounds pretty bad. Worse than the 9.1 sec for the 62mph.
08-28-2003, 12:39 PM
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Originally posted by gavriil
In the United States, the Cayenne went on sale in March and hasn’t experienced any such sales disappointment. The truck is selling at the rate of about 1500 units per month, at which rate it will breeze past the company’s U.S. sales target of 12,500 annually. The U.S. number represents half of the total worldwide production prior to expanded capacity for the newly announced model. The current Porsche truck lineup is priced at $55,900 for the S and $88,900 for the Turbo.
In the United States, the Cayenne went on sale in March and hasn’t experienced any such sales disappointment. The truck is selling at the rate of about 1500 units per month, at which rate it will breeze past the company’s U.S. sales target of 12,500 annually. The U.S. number represents half of the total worldwide production prior to expanded capacity for the newly announced model. The current Porsche truck lineup is priced at $55,900 for the S and $88,900 for the Turbo.
I thought the Cayenne wasn't meeting sales expectations?
Sounds like it is doing ok according to this article.
08-28-2003, 02:15 PM
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Hey.. I was right with the $45k! Way too much $$ for this slow excuse for a Porche. I'd much rather get the Toureg which I think is much nicer looking.
08-28-2003, 03:08 PM
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Originally posted by amirsafdari
they should have used the 2.7t engine and tuned it a bit..
they should have used the 2.7t engine and tuned it a bit..
08-28-2003, 03:10 PM
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Originally posted by cusdaddy
Hey.. I was right with the $45k! Way too much $$ for this slow excuse for a Porche. I'd much rather get the Toureg which I think is much nicer looking.
Hey.. I was right with the $45k! Way too much $$ for this slow excuse for a Porche. I'd much rather get the Toureg which I think is much nicer looking.
09-29-2003, 07:48 AM
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You know, the fact that Porsche was preparing a Cayenne version below the "Cayenne S" was betrayed by the denotation "S". Porsche has always used that denotation as a "Special" version of a base model. But everyone was too busy critisizing the creation of a Porsche SUV, overlooking the fact that a V6 Cayenne is on the way. Imagine that just a year ago. Not only a Porsche SUV, but a 0-60mph 9.0 second one as well.
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Originally posted by gavriil
You know, the fact that Porsche was preparing a Cayenne version below the "Cayenne S" was betrayed by the denotation "S". Porsche has always used that denotation as a "Special" version of a base model. But everyone was too busy critisizing the creation of a Porsche SUV, overlooking the fact that a V6 Cayenne is on the way. Imagine that just a year ago. Not only a Porsche SUV, but a 0-60mph 9.0 second one as well.
You know, the fact that Porsche was preparing a Cayenne version below the "Cayenne S" was betrayed by the denotation "S". Porsche has always used that denotation as a "Special" version of a base model. But everyone was too busy critisizing the creation of a Porsche SUV, overlooking the fact that a V6 Cayenne is on the way. Imagine that just a year ago. Not only a Porsche SUV, but a 0-60mph 9.0 second one as well.
09-29-2003, 09:31 AM
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Yeah.. but if this does hurt their image somewhat.. but who else will produce the midlevel priced sports cars (not exotic ones)? Not many that can compete with the 911's. So until another independent company starts comin' up, they're relatively safe for now.
09-29-2003, 02:00 PM
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Yeah.. but if this does hurt their image somewhat.. but who else will produce the midlevel priced sports cars (not exotic ones)? Not many that can compete with the 911's. So until another independent company starts comin' up, they're relatively safe for now.
Yeah.. but if this does hurt their image somewhat.. but who else will produce the midlevel priced sports cars (not exotic ones)? Not many that can compete with the 911's. So until another independent company starts comin' up, they're relatively safe for now.
09-29-2003, 08:55 PM
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Originally posted by Red Nj-s
Eh why not. Not everyone wants speed, but this deffinitly tarnishes their image.
Eh why not. Not everyone wants speed, but this deffinitly tarnishes their image.
You won't see too many on dealers lots with an MSRP below $50k.
I agree its a tad slow, but no slower than a Range Rover HSE (which is a V8).
Their base level SUV is not expeted to be a speed demon.
As you say, not everyone is looking for speed.
This is the one to steal sales away from the ML350, 500 and X5 3.0i.
For $50k I wouldn't buy a V6 Cayenne.....but I'll bet plenty of people will.
This is all in the name of keeping Porsche independent.
09-29-2003, 09:36 PM
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Yes and No, its still expensive.....the V6 Cayenne is going to base around $45k and quickly go to $50k+ with the amount of options Porsche offers.
You won't see too many on dealers lots with an MSRP below $50k.
I agree its a tad slow, but no slower than a Range Rover HSE (which is a V8).
Their base level SUV is not expeted to be a speed demon.
As you say, not everyone is looking for speed.
This is the one to steal sales away from the ML350, 500 and X5 3.0i.
For $50k I wouldn't buy a V6 Cayenne.....but I'll bet plenty of people will.
This is all in the name of keeping Porsche independent.
Yes and No, its still expensive.....the V6 Cayenne is going to base around $45k and quickly go to $50k+ with the amount of options Porsche offers.
You won't see too many on dealers lots with an MSRP below $50k.
I agree its a tad slow, but no slower than a Range Rover HSE (which is a V8).
Their base level SUV is not expeted to be a speed demon.
As you say, not everyone is looking for speed.
This is the one to steal sales away from the ML350, 500 and X5 3.0i.
For $50k I wouldn't buy a V6 Cayenne.....but I'll bet plenty of people will.
This is all in the name of keeping Porsche independent.
10-06-2003, 11:01 AM
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Yet another Cayenne version on the way
Spy Shots: ’05 Porsche Cayenne Targa
Opening the Cayenne to the great outdoors.
by Hans Lehmann/Hidden Image (2003-10-06)
Porsche is about to extend the Cayenne model range by two more variants. Within shortly the Cayenne will be available also with a six-cylinder engine, which Porsche bought from Volkswagen and adapted to Porsche standards. With this, the sports car manufacturer hopes to sell an additional 5000 to 10,000 units.
However, this is not all. As can be seen from these photos, there is also a Targa version of the Cayenne in the pipeline. Clearly visible on the prototype shots is the large glass roof, which is still hidden under some plastic coating. The pictures were taken of the car during high-speed testing at Nürburgring.
In addition to the huge glass roof, the prototype pictured has several accessory items, including a front bumper guard that improves front-end styling, and a swing-away rear spare-tire carrier.
01-06-2004, 08:40 AM
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Cayenne exceeds sales targets
Cayenne exceeds sales targets
By Diana T. Kurylko
Automotive News / January 05, 2004
Porsche Cars North America sold 13,661 Cayenne SUVs in 2003, exceeding targets "dramatically," said CEO Peter Schwarzenbauer.
"That should silence those inside and outside the industry who said the market would never accept such a vehicle from Porsche," he said. Porsche Cars North America sales last year increased by 33 percent to 30,028 vehicles, fueled by higher than expected sales of the Cayenne SUV, which went on sale in March.
Porsche introduced on Sunday a new derivative of the Boxster S to celebrate 50 years of the 550 Spyder. Only 1,953 units will be produced and between 45 and 50 percent are slated for the United States. The special edition Boxster S costs $59,900. With 264 hp, the car can reach a top speed of 165 miles per hour.
Source: Auto News
By Diana T. Kurylko
Automotive News / January 05, 2004
Porsche Cars North America sold 13,661 Cayenne SUVs in 2003, exceeding targets "dramatically," said CEO Peter Schwarzenbauer.
"That should silence those inside and outside the industry who said the market would never accept such a vehicle from Porsche," he said. Porsche Cars North America sales last year increased by 33 percent to 30,028 vehicles, fueled by higher than expected sales of the Cayenne SUV, which went on sale in March.
Porsche introduced on Sunday a new derivative of the Boxster S to celebrate 50 years of the 550 Spyder. Only 1,953 units will be produced and between 45 and 50 percent are slated for the United States. The special edition Boxster S costs $59,900. With 264 hp, the car can reach a top speed of 165 miles per hour.
Source: Auto News
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test drove cayenne s
went to dealership last week with work buddy. Didn't think much of it to be honest. I then got to drive it. I must say this thing is very fast. The engine roars. Lots of torque and power. Handles great. I can't imagine wanting/needing more power. Turbo must be scary. Haven't driven Toureg yet, plan on it soon so can't compare other than price. $40k vs $65k comparable options.