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Old 02-17-2006, 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by ilitig8
In the next year the value will be in a late model 996 X50, prices have/will take a good tumble and they can be modded for mega horsepower.
Who cares about the 996... it's a ugly waterpumper...

At least the 997 looks good

The oldschool enthusiasts haven't given up their 993 TT, C2S, or C4S yet... But the 997 has started to turn some of these guys around. Not much love for the 996 out there (unless you're on 6speedonline.com)...

I won't ever own a new porsche (even if I had the means, I'm too frugal for that), so I guess it doesn't matter, but I'd never consider buying a 996, but would consider the 997...
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That spoiler, although most likely functional, looks like my hairy fat ass.
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That spoiler, although most likely functional, looks like my hairy fat ass.
You sir have a very unusual ass.


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Originally Posted by GreenMonster
Who cares about the 996... it's a ugly waterpumper...

At least the 997 looks good

The oldschool enthusiasts haven't given up their 993 TT, C2S, or C4S yet... But the 997 has started to turn some of these guys around. Not much love for the 996 out there (unless you're on 6speedonline.com)...

I won't ever own a new porsche (even if I had the means, I'm too frugal for that), so I guess it doesn't matter, but I'd never consider buying a 996, but would consider the 997...
The oldskoolers will never give up the last of the air cooleds! I had a 993 TT for a while loved parts of it hated others, I probably sold it because it was Arena Red which I dislike but there were so few to choose from, well that and I sold it for what I paid for it after a year. Personally I never had a problem with the 996, the headlights didn't bother me and neither did the interior. I wouldn't own a non-TT 996 due to the RMS issues but I like the TT and it takes mods very well.
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Think porsche needs to bring back some more designs from the past or come up with some new designs.
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Originally Posted by cob3683
996 = Body style from 1998-2004/2005 (Some models)
997 = Current bodystyle
911 = Closest thing to heaven ever made by man
Turbo = Turbocharged 911 (See 911....only better)
GT2 = Lightweight racing version of Turbo (See Turbo....only better)
so what does the 911 mean? i just dont get why its called a 911 turbo (997)??
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Originally Posted by Mizouse
so what does the 911 mean? i just dont get why its called a 911 turbo (997)??
997 is a model code used to indicate generation of 911. Similar to Skyline R32, R33, R34, etc. E39, E60 M5, etc.
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Originally Posted by srika
997 is a model code used to indicate generation of 911. Similar to Skyline R32, R33, R34, etc. E39, E60 M5, etc.
Nod... They're all called 911's, but when the platform changes, they get a new internal designation...

1963-1989 - type 911
1975-1989 - type 930 (911 turbo)
1989-1994 - type 964
1995-1998 - type 993
1999-2004 - type 996
2005- - type 997

All marketed as 911's, but they are designated differently...

The Cayenne is a 955, Carrera GT is a 980, Boxster is a 986, Cayman is a 987....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche
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Old 02-17-2006, 09:29 PM
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So there is a useful wikipedia article after all.
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Think porsche needs to bring back some more designs from the past or come up with some new designs.
Elaborate
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Old 02-20-2006, 03:49 PM
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997 GT3 brochure - NO 56K...

good read... damn this thing is gonna be a track-star. not like the old one wasn't...

read it all because it explains all the "ricey" elements.... lol.
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Old 02-20-2006, 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by srika
everything looks the way it does on this car for a pure, functional reason.
Originally Posted by zeroday
oh common now we all know this isnt true...there are styling cues on that car that provide no function whatsoever.
please read the brochure above, thanks.
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PASM... the plot thickens. One reason I was honestly a little afraid of the 996 GT3 was the lack thereof. I use SC/TC even on the track until I warm the tires up and get used to the track conditions and it can be a great learning tool as well. Though I could live without it on the track I do NOT want a car like that without it on the street. This wouldn't drive me so nuts if the Porsche had near the sex appeal of the 360...

The one thing that bewilders me is the fact they are using the 3.6 instead of the 3.8, could it be for evolution availability. I could understand if they were using the GT1 block like in the TT but I think I am right that the GT1 block is just under 3.6L (3597 maybe) and the 996 and 997 3.6 was an even 3600. I still have the fear of RMS leaks!
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Originally Posted by ilitig8
PASM... the plot thickens. One reason I was honestly a little afraid of the 996 GT3 was the lack thereof. I use SC/TC even on the track until I warm the tires up and get used to the track conditions and it can be a great learning tool as well. Though I could live without it on the track I do NOT want a car like that without it on the street. This wouldn't drive me so nuts if the Porsche had near the sex appeal of the 360...
You really don't need it. On the track, it just slows you down. It's a horrible learning tool as well. I've got a friend whom is an instructor at Bondurant and they shut off active handling immediately. He told me it gets in the way and hinders what he is trying to teach to the students.
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nice pic by "BD 997" at Rennteam... need to find a bigger version. (I added the words, could not resist )

911 Turbo Evolution.

Porsche. 1337.
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Ok... WHERE do they take these pictures? The landscape looks as fantastic as the car. I always wonder how they drag these cars out to these places.
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The 996 is still my favorite ...
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Specifications

Engine
Type: Flat-6
Displacement cu in (cc): 220 (3598)
Power bhp (kW) at RPM: 415(310) / 7600
Torque lb-ft (Nm) at RPM: n.a.
Redline at RPM: 8400

Brakes & Tires
Brakes F/R: ABS, vented disc/vented disc
Tires F-R: R19
Driveline: Rear Wheel Drive

Exterior Dimensions & Weight
Length × Width × Height in: n.a.
Weight lb (kg): n.a.

Performance
Acceleration 0-60 mph s: 4.1
Top Speed mph (km/h): 193 (310)
Fuel Economy EPA city/highway mpg (l/100 km): n.a.

Base Price: 2007 Porsche 911 GT3 - $106,000
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Originally Posted by Maximized
You really don't need it. On the track, it just slows you down. It's a horrible learning tool as well. I've got a friend whom is an instructor at Bondurant and they shut off active handling immediately. He told me it gets in the way and hinders what he is trying to teach to the students.
Dunno, I have been tracking cars for 20 years and have had 4 instructors that liked how I used TC to identify low grip areas while warming up the tires. It has really helped me come up to speed at new tracks. You get limited on track time and I have been able to use TC to my advantage. I think you may have missed my point anyway, I never do hot laps with TC on it does as you point out reduce times when you get above 9/10ths. But not having it at the track is not a deal breaker for me, I tracked cars for years without it. However, I prefer TC on a high performance car for the street, you don't prescreen road conditions before you drive them and I would prefer TC on a $115K hipo car, even when driving completely sane unexpected things could happen. If you want to drive a rear engine car with 400+ hp, huge meats on the back that costs over 100K on the road with no TC, then more power to you, me I prefer the added safety of PASM in that situation.
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Porsche press release...

In addition to the 911 Turbo, Dr. Ing. h.c. F. Porsche AG of Stuttgart, Germany, is presenting another new automobile at the Geneva Motor Show. The new 911 GT3 will be unveiled to the world public for the very first time on February 28, 2006. This two-seater sports coupe will go on sale across Europe in May 2006.

In the 911 model range, the abbreviation GT3 stands for pure, unadulterated driving pleasure. With its uncompromising dynamics, this model impresses not only in normal day-to-day driving but also on the racetrack. The 305-kW (415-bhp) 3.6-liter flat-six engine produces a specific output of 84.7 Kilowatts (115.3 bhp) per liter of displacement. This performance places the new-generation GT3 in its displacement class at the pinnacle of road-legal production sports cars with naturally aspirated engines.

The six-cylinder engine reaches its nominal output at 7,600 rpm. At 8,400 rpm, the engine speed limit again lies 200 revolutions higher than for the previous model. This makes it a world leader in its engine-size class. In addition to this high engine speed concept, the optimized airflow rate considerably improves performance. This is made possible by the variable intake system with a throttle valve enlarged from 76 to 82 millimeters, the optimized cylinder heads and an exhaust system with low backpressure.

The driver has a revised six-speed transmission at his disposal. It impresses with its very short gearlever travel and, thanks to the lower ratios of gears 2 to 6, ideally complements the racy engine.

New for the GT3 is a change-up display, which lights up on the rev counter shortly before the relevant engine speed is reached. It provides an additional signal at the best time to change gear. The measured values prove just how well the engine and gearbox are harmonized: the GT3 accelerates from 0 to 100 km/h in 4.3 seconds, and reaches 160 km/h from a standing start in 8.7 seconds. Its top speed is 310 km/h.

The new 911 GT3 boasts an active chassis for the first time. Porsche Active Suspension Management (PASM) offers two sporty chassis in one: the basic configuration is largely similar to that of the previous model and is suitable for driving on alternating road surfaces. In sport mode, the system switches to harder damping, thereby enabling even better dynamism on the racetrack.

For the best-possible transmission of engine power to the road, the GT3 is equipped with a comprehensive traction package, which includes not only the standard-equipment 19-inch sports tires but also a mechanical limited slip differential. In addition, the new electronic Traction Control – adapted from the Carrera GT high-performance sports car – ensures safe traction under any driving conditions. It features traction-slip and drag-torque control functions, and can be switched off completely if required.

The basic Euro price for the 911 GT3 is 93,000 Euros. In Germany, it will be offered including sales tax and country-specific requirements for 108,083 Euros. In the USA, the new GT3 will be available in dealerships from August 2006 for 106,000 Dollars (excluding tax).
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ouch.. you win dude. that is fuking SICK! x eleventy billion
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ouch.. you win dude. that is fuking SICK! x eleventy billion
I think the -ing should be relegated to the Zonda...That car's just absolute pr0nography...
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I think the -ing should be relegated to the Zonda...That car's just absolute pr0nography...
you know what, I like the Zonda, but its not on my list of best looking cars... :ducks:
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Dunno, I have been tracking cars for 20 years and have had 4 instructors that liked how I used TC to identify low grip areas while warming up the tires. It has really helped me come up to speed at new tracks. You get limited on track time and I have been able to use TC to my advantage. I think you may have missed my point anyway, I never do hot laps with TC on it does as you point out reduce times when you get above 9/10ths. But not having it at the track is not a deal breaker for me, I tracked cars for years without it. However, I prefer TC on a high performance car for the street, you don't prescreen road conditions before you drive them and I would prefer TC on a $115K hipo car, even when driving completely sane unexpected things could happen. If you want to drive a rear engine car with 400+ hp, huge meats on the back that costs over 100K on the road with no TC, then more power to you, me I prefer the added safety of PASM in that situation.
I turn my traction control off on the street when it's dry. It's too intrusive IMHO. On the track, even not pushing it, BMW's DSC would intervene. I always turned it off. Like I stated, my friend instructs his students to turn off Active Handling because it interferes with what he is trying to teach his students.
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you know what, I like the Zonda, but its not on my list of best looking cars... :ducks:


















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Me likey. Likey more than I normally likey GT3s. They've always been my favorite 911. You still get to have the pure Porsche setup (rear-engined 2WD), a ton of power, great brakes, light weight design of everything, a stiffer chassis, and the ease of driving that you would expect from any 911.

Of the little time I've spent tracking a 996 GT3, I'll always think of it as the right choice for me with a 911 in mind. Those suckers are great.
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ok so umm.. yea. that was some good crack I was smokin' earlier. I was umm... kidding about what I said about the Zonda..
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Geneva Giant - - By GREG KABLE - - Source: Autoweek

Porsche’s powered-up GT3 lands in North American showrooms in August, providing buyers with a hardcore $106,000 alternative to a raft of 911 models.

Set to make is public debut alongside the fifth-generation 911 Turbo at the Geneva motor show, the new car continues an illustrious tradition of race-bred Porsche models, running a reworked version of its predecessor’s naturally-aspirated 3.6-liter flat six engine that has been tuned to deliver 415-hp.

Like earlier GT3 models, this new one has been created to support Porsche’s sports car racing program—it homologates new mechanical and aerodynamic components to meet the latest FIA GT sports car regulations. It’s no bare bones special, though. Heeding buyer demands, Porsche has poured greater levels of standard equipment and comfort into the new car, while keeping a careful eye on weight. The new car's curb weight is 3075 pounds.

The new GT3 is distinguished from lesser 911 models by a body kit honed in Porsche’s Weissach wind tunnel. It includes a complex front bumper offering increased cooling for the front-mounted radiators, a prominent bi-plane spoiler, centrally mounted tailpipes and a new rear bumper designed to draw hot air away from the rear-mounted engine. A lowered ride height and towering 19-inch alloy wheels—the rears shod with generous 305/30 profile tires, add a menacing touch to the appearance.

Inside, GT3 adopts the latest 911 dashboard and interior trim. There’s a thick grip steering wheel and gear lever, both covered in Alcantara, along with warning lights to indicate the optimum shift point.

A standard model with comfort seats and Porsche’s Communication Management system will likely be joined by an RS successor with more circuit-specific hardware like racing seats and lightweight door trims.

Porsche motorsport engineers have thrown all of their know-how into the GT3 engine. Based on the 1998 Le Mans winning GT1 powerplant, the four-valve-per-cylinder 3.6-liter flat six incorporates a revised variable intake system with a wider throttle valve opening. This, along with a raft of as yet unspecified internal changes that lighten the engine’s reciprocating masses, push Porsche’s latest racer to 415-hp at 7600rpm—55 hp more than the proceeding model, while boosting specific output of from 100.0 hp per liter to 115.3-hp per liter. At the same time, max rpm increases by 200 rpm, to an 8400 rpm redline before electronic intervention retards the ignition to safeguard the engine. Improved breathing and reduced exhaust back pressure also sees torque increased to 300-lb-ft at 5500 rpm.

Thanks in part to lower ratios in second through sixth gears, 0-60 mph acceleration improves by half a second to 4.1 seconds. The 0-100 mph time of just 8.7 seconds and 193 mph top speed better the old model by 0.6-second and 5 mph.

As GT3 tradition dictates, drive is sent to the rear wheels via a close ratio six-speed manual gearbox boasting slightly shorter travel than in the standard 911 and a fully mechanical limited slip differential. Underpinning it all is a heavily upgraded McPherson strut (front) and multi-link (rear) suspension fitted for the first time with Porsche Active Suspension Management (PASM). It offers the choice between two damper settings; the standard one said to closely match that of the previous model, with a sport mode tuned to deliver greater body control and a more a more responsive throttle action. Also included is a switchable traction control device with so-called traction-slip and drag torque control functions from the soon-to-be discontinued Carrera GT.
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good god, look at those rear tires....jeebus
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Thanks Gavriil the last news clip verifies it is the GT1 based engine so no RMS problems and it makes perfect sense to use it instead of the new 3.8!
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I turn my traction control off on the street when it's dry. It's too intrusive IMHO. On the track, even not pushing it, BMW's DSC would intervene. I always turned it off. Like I stated, my friend instructs his students to turn off Active Handling because it interferes with what he is trying to teach his students.

I just don't see turning of TC on the street, makes no sense and can result in big problems. As far as too intrusive you are either driving to hard for the street (felony level), or your particular TC is over active. The DSC on my M3 isn't too bad at all, I can tighten my line with the throttle with no issues. My lap times with DSC on are only about 2 seconds slower at Road Atlanta, a little more at Barber, Carolina and VIR, I still find it a great way to warm the tires and determine track conditions without taking a chance with tons of other cars on the track. I have had instructors turn off TC immediately and others just let me run how I wanted. In the end I have found it helpful for me to get up to speed faster particularly at new tracks and if I think it works for me, then it works for me. The lack of PASM is the reason I don't have a 996 GT3 and the reason the 997 GT3 is more appealing to me. As a funny aside one interview I read quoted M. Schumacher state he left stability control on his road Ferrari's on all but 1% of the time, I figure if it makes sense for him, I will wait until my skills eclipse his to bother turning it off on the street.

On the thread given all the goodies and 35 more HP the 6K increase from the last GT3 makes the 997 look like a bargain particularly when we have seen how much better the 997 chassis is! Just noticed they say 55 more HP, I could have sworn the last one was 380...

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