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Old 11-04-2003, 07:02 AM
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Pontiac Bonneville News **Bonneville Scrapped! (page 1)**



Bonneville GXP Launches Pontiac Performance Line
November 3, 2003


Motor Trend
Pontiac counts down to the launch of a new line of high-performance variants by releasing the price for the first model, the 2004 Bonneville GXP. Originally shown as a concept vehicle at the 2002 Chicago Auto Show, the GXP will be available in Pontiac dealers beginning in February 2004 with a base MSRP of $35,995.

"It was a real treat to see people's reaction to the direction we took with that concept car," said Bob Kraut, marketing director for Bonneville, Grand Prix and GTO. "One thing we heard loud and clear was 'don't change a thing,' so we set out to keep the production car as close to the concept as possible."

The heart of the Bonneville GXP is its 4.6-liter, 32-valve V-8 engine, the first eight-cylinder in a Bonneville since 1986 and the first 32-valve engine in Pontiac's history. The dual overhead-cam powerplant produces 275 horsepower and 300 lb.-ft. of torque. Supporting the performance nature of the car, the engine is tuned to provide maximum torque at a relatively low 5600 rpm, allowing the car to launch itself from zero to 60 mph in approximately 6.8 seconds.

Power from the engine is routed through a Hydra-Matic 4T80-E four-speed automatic transmission. Specifically designed to link with the 4.6-liter engine, the transmission electronically monitors the way the driver is using both the throttle and brake, adapting shift points to provide the optimal balance of performance and fuel economy. The Bonneville GXP has a final drive ratio of 3.7:1, one of the most aggressive in its class. Traction control is standard.

"We really put a lot of work into making the Bonneville GXP perform like a sports car but handle like a premium touring sedan," said Kurt Fischer, program engineering manager. "You can drive it aggressively - there's no doubt it's made to handle the twists and turns of the road."

Structural rigidity was increased through the use of a tower-to-tower brace and a specially dampened engine cradle mounting package. Performance-tuned DeCarbon monotube dampeners, progressive spring rates and large diameter (30-mm front, 22-mm rear) stabilizer bars allow the Bonneville GXP to provide both excellent driver feedback and a smooth, compliant ride.

Enhancing driver performance and safety, the standard StabiliTrak stability enhancement system constantly senses wheel turn rates and vehicle motion physics. If the system determines the vehicle is beginning to perform in a manner inconsistent with the driver's inputs, StabiliTrak will automatically and selectively apply individual wheel brakes to attempt to keep the vehicle squarely under the driver's control.

Braking force is supplied by a four-wheel disc anti-lock braking system (ABS), including 12.7-inch vented rotors in the front and 11.7-inch solid rotors in the rear. Bright red high-performance calipers on the front brakes add to the sporty image of the car.

Inside, luxury and functionality are fused to create a unique driving environment designed to closely connect the driver with the vehicle. The Bonneville GXP features leather-appointed seats in one of two interior colors, neutral or dark gray, both with UtraLux suede inserts, 12-way power adjustment, and two-position personalized memory. The high-tech look of carbon fiber trim around the steering wheel, door handles and air vents is accented by stain nickel accents and stainless steel pedals.

The full gauge cluster features a unique silver background. Important information such as speed, turn signals and low fuel warnings can also be projected on the windshield through the optional EyeCue head-up display (HUD).

"Given the Bonneville's history as one of the original Pontiac performance cars, it's fitting that this new model kicks off a new level of commitment to the ideal that Pontiac has always strived for - namely to make driving as exciting as possible," said Lynn Myers, Pontiac-GMC general manager. "The Bonneville GXP will set a high standard for the other GXP models to follow, with a sensuous approach to styling and superior power and handling characteristics."
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Now only if while keeping the price the same, they:

Added AWD without adding more weight
Added a 5 speed AT and a 6 speed manual from the GTO
Added 25HP for a total of 300HP and left torque the same

It would have been a real treat.
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With 36k......I won't be buying that......GM needs to learn what tasteful, understated styling is. yucks
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Bonneville for 36 grand?! Where would a fully loaded Grand Prix fall with this?
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Originally posted by Chaptorial
Bonneville for 36 grand?! Where would a fully loaded Grand Prix fall with this?
fully loaded grad prix is just under 30 i think, w/ the supercharged v6
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I like eveything but the price...36k? And with add-ons and options and sales taxes we are nearing 40k territory. I'll pass.
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Great car, amazing good looks, but no one will buy it at 36k.
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Originally posted by Red Nj-s
but no one will buy it at 36k.
who in the hell would pay 36k for a bonneville?
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its a decent looking car but it really doesn't have any 'performance' to set it apart from other 36k cars, same prob with a mercury marauder, except this is fwd. probably can't even compete with the 04 cts.
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a step in the right direction but not far enough
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g35 or slightly used 330ci
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maximum torque at a relatively low 5600 rpm
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36k for a pontiac? baehaehaeaeh
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Originally posted by Zapata
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That may very well be a typo. Will find out.
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Originally posted by pimpscls
g35 or slightly used 330ci
The 330Ci is a coupe, so no comparison. The G35 sedan can be compared but the Boneville will have more punch and more room inside.
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The heart of the Bonneville GXP is its 4.6-liter, 32-valve V-8 engine, the first eight-cylinder in a Bonneville since 1986 and the first 32-valve engine in Pontiac's history. The dual overhead-cam powerplant produces 275 horsepower and 300 lb.-ft. of torque. Supporting the performance nature of the car, the engine is tuned to provide maximum torque at a relatively low 5600 rpm, allowing the car to launch itself from zero to 60 mph in approximately 6.8 seconds.
That is a crock of shit. Sorry. That is UNDER-ENGINEERING. And for 36k who the hell is gonna buy it?

Sometimes I want to smoke the same shit GM executives do. 5600 rpm is SOME CARS PEAK HP.

Still FWD too. This makes no sense.
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How about a damn quarter-mile time. 0-60 can kiss my ass.
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GM blames falling sales, shifts in consumer tastes for dropping large sedan.

It evolved over the years into a roomy family sedan with plenty of power. But as the public's tastes in family haulers shifted to minivans, sport utility vehicles and crossover vehicles, Bonneville's core market evaporated.

"After much discussion, it is in the best interest of Pontiac to align our product portfolio with where demand is," Pontiac spokesman Rick Crooks said. "Demand in the large car segment has been declining for some years."

Pontiac has revamped its car lineup with products such as the G6, which replaced the Grand Am, and entered new segments with the Vibe hatchback and Torrent, a small SUV.

The division attempted to revive the Bonneville with a high-performance V-8 GXP version, but it wasn't enough.
Source: Autoweek Forum
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Interesting but probably much needed. More GM cars need to be scrapped and/or completely redesigned. Brave decisions must be made...yesterday.
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That thing was based on the Olds Aurora platform and had a detuned Northstar V8. I don't think that most shoppers showed up at a Pontiac dealer looking for that kind of car. Also I don't think it would have been hard for GM to unleash more power from that engine, but for some reason they've always held back. The Northstar should be putting out at least as much as a Chrysler hemi.
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It's time for it to go... RIP. The G8 will replace the the Grand Prix and Bonneville, and sit atop the G6. Hopefully they won't screw it up. I like where Pontiac is going, so far (except they should get higher output engines).
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U really they can't screw this up?

Originally Posted by titan
It's time for it to go... RIP. The G8 will replace the the Grand Prix and Bonneville, and sit atop the G6. Hopefully they won't screw it up. I like where Pontiac is going, so far (except they should get higher output engines).
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Sunday, February 6, 2005


Pontiac eliminates Bonneville

GM blames falling sales, shifts in consumer tastes for dropping large sedan.

By Ed Garsten / The Detroit News






The long-running car named for Utah's famed salt flats has finally run out of gas.

Citing declining sales and shifting consumer tastes, General Motors Corp. told employees last week that production of the Pontiac Bonneville sedan will end this summer at its Detroit-Hamtramck plant.

No jobs will be lost because the factory will continue to produce other large cars, including the new Buick Lucerne and Cadillac DTS, GM said.

Pontiac introduced the Bonneville name in February 1957 at the Daytona Beach races, but didn't introduce it as a product line until 1958.

It was the first Pontiac with fuel injection and was initially available only as a convertible. Considered an upscale model, the Bonneville competed with other popular large cars at the time, including the Chrysler 300 and DeSoto Golden Adventurer.

It evolved over the years into a roomy family sedan with plenty of power. But as the public's tastes in family haulers shifted to minivans, sport utility vehicles and crossover vehicles, Bonneville's core market evaporated.

"After much discussion, it is in the best interest of Pontiac to align our product portfolio with where demand is," Pontiac spokesman Rick Crooks said. "Demand in the large car segment has been declining for some years."

Pontiac has revamped its car lineup with products such as the G6, which replaced the Grand Am, and entered new segments with the Vibe hatchback and Torrent, a small SUV.

The division attempted to revive the Bonneville with a high-performance V-8 GXP version, but it wasn't enough.

Pontiac sold nearly 100,000 Bonnevilles as recently as 1992, but demand fell to 29,852 last year, according to Ward's Automotive Reports. Sales peaked at 135,401 units in 1966.

For some dealers, the Bonneville's demise is bittersweet.

"It's a shame," said Rochester Pontiac-Buick dealer Russ Shelton. "We won't have a full-size vehicle to sell to a Pontiac buyer."

You can reach Ed Garsten at (313) 223-3217 or egarsten@detnews.com.
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Originally Posted by titan
It's time for it to go... RIP. The G8 will replace the the Grand Prix and Bonneville, and sit atop the G6. Hopefully they won't screw it up. I like where Pontiac is going, so far (except they should get higher output engines).

That's what I'm hearing. There will be a G8 and even a G4 model/s.
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Originally Posted by gavriil
That's what I'm hearing. There will be a G8 and even a G4 model/s.
Right. I guess they've got a hardon for both BMW and Audi...
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I heard that Pontiac wants to use the name "Grand Prix" for their flagship sedan.
Of course, the current GP is a mainstream, mass-market model so maybe they think that
when people think Pontiac, they should think "Grand Prix." :?

I expect though that a G8 will arrive and retire the Grand Prix nameplate.

Gone after the 2005 model year: Aztek, Bonneville, Grand Am Coupe, Sunfire ... and the old "Montana" van (the new one is "Montana SV6" ... big deal). 2006 brings the Solstice and Torrent to add to the lineup, as well as the G6 Coupe and G6 Convertible.
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