Planned Honda turbodiesel for U.S. would likely debut on Civic, Accord or CR-V
07-10-2006, 10:51 AM
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Planned Honda turbodiesel for U.S. would likely debut on Civic, Accord or CR-V
Planned Honda turbodiesel for U.S. would likely debut on Civic, Accord or CR-V - - By KATHY JACKSON | AUTOMOTIVE NEWS - - Source: Autoweek
VANCOUVER, British Columbia -- When Honda sells its first diesel engine in the United States, it likely will be in the Civic, Accord or CR-V.
John Watts, manager of Honda's U.S. product planning, said Honda plans to introduce a clean-burning, 2.2-liter turbodiesel in the United States within three years.
"That 2.2 could probably crank out about 200 horsepower and about 220 (pounds-feet of) torque at little rpm," he said at a press event here. "Vehicles like the Pilot (SUV) and Odyssey (minivan) are too big for a four-cylinder."
Honda sells a 2.2-liter, four-cylinder turbodiesel engine in Europe, but Watts says it does not meet U.S. emission standards.
Takeo Fukui, Honda Motor Co. CEO, said in late June that the company will unveil a four-cylinder diesel in the United States that will run as clean as a gasoline engine.
Watts thinks diesel will catch on in this country if the engines can go 400 miles on a single tank of fuel.
"I think four cylinders and diesels make a lot of sense with the price of gas," Watts says. "But we're looking at everything -- diesels, compressed natural gas, fuel cells, hybrids and E85. We don't believe there's one solution."
Watts also said the Honda Division may need to add another SUV to its lineup.
"We don't know what it will be yet," he says. "Maybe something between a minivan and a SUV. But we do need something between the CR-V and the Pilot."
John Watts, manager of Honda's U.S. product planning, said Honda plans to introduce a clean-burning, 2.2-liter turbodiesel in the United States within three years.
"That 2.2 could probably crank out about 200 horsepower and about 220 (pounds-feet of) torque at little rpm," he said at a press event here. "Vehicles like the Pilot (SUV) and Odyssey (minivan) are too big for a four-cylinder."
Honda sells a 2.2-liter, four-cylinder turbodiesel engine in Europe, but Watts says it does not meet U.S. emission standards.
Takeo Fukui, Honda Motor Co. CEO, said in late June that the company will unveil a four-cylinder diesel in the United States that will run as clean as a gasoline engine.
Watts thinks diesel will catch on in this country if the engines can go 400 miles on a single tank of fuel.
"I think four cylinders and diesels make a lot of sense with the price of gas," Watts says. "But we're looking at everything -- diesels, compressed natural gas, fuel cells, hybrids and E85. We don't believe there's one solution."
Watts also said the Honda Division may need to add another SUV to its lineup.
"We don't know what it will be yet," he says. "Maybe something between a minivan and a SUV. But we do need something between the CR-V and the Pilot."
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"That 2.2 could probably crank out about 200 horsepower and about 220 (pounds-feet of) torque at little rpm,"
07-10-2006, 10:53 AM
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"We don't know what it will be yet," he says. "Maybe something between a minivan and a SUV. But we do need something between the CR-V and the Pilot."
07-10-2006, 11:12 AM
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Considering the displacement, the HP sounds too high and the torque too low. No?
A quick google search yielded estimates of a 200 hp and 350 lb-ft. motor so perhaps that's what they meant but mistyped it and no one in editting caught the error.
07-10-2006, 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Infamous425
why only in one vehicle? they should put it in all cars across the board
07-10-2006, 12:29 PM
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The numbers don't sound right - getting 200HP out of such a small displacement would mean lots of boost and perhaps lower reliability - not a formula Honda has been known for. The tq figure might be right but the HP sounds too high. Imagine those numbers in a Civic. 
It has been talked about in the past when the 2.2 iCTDi engine came out that Honda will just take this engine as is an "clean" it up a bit for US use - it is already close in European trim for US emissions. The issue was wheather they would go the MB route and inject something into the exhaust to clean it or build into the xhaust system (more expensive).
It makes sense in the Accord, TSX and CR-V - too big for Civic and too small for all the bigger SUVs and sedans.
If they intro-ed it into the Accord in 09 they better build capacity right now cause they're gonna get swamped for orders.
It has been talked about in the past when the 2.2 iCTDi engine came out that Honda will just take this engine as is an "clean" it up a bit for US use - it is already close in European trim for US emissions. The issue was wheather they would go the MB route and inject something into the exhaust to clean it or build into the xhaust system (more expensive).
It makes sense in the Accord, TSX and CR-V - too big for Civic and too small for all the bigger SUVs and sedans.
If they intro-ed it into the Accord in 09 they better build capacity right now cause they're gonna get swamped for orders.
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I'd say 160 hp at most 
07-10-2006, 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Infamous425
why only in one vehicle? they should put it in all cars across the board
I want choices! I'll want the diesel, but probably not in a Civic. Diesel TSX with awesome mileage for me, please!! 
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