Nissan: Silvia news **Cancelled (page 2)**
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Anyone else have a feeling this thing is gonna be too heavy for its own good?
Every automaker has to decide if they want to make a true light weight ala lotus, or some kinda sport tourer that's loaded down with all kinda of unnecessary creature comfort features...
So, yeah, I think it will be to heavy for it's own good, unless they get someone like me to head the development team
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yea, the key would be the weight. The S15 was about 2700-2800lbs I believe.
In Hong Kong, people used to call the S13 (with the turbo CA18 or SR20) the "flying chicken" because of its speed, and the way it could drift.
F23A4, 225hp from 1.5-1.6L is great, but then Evo and STi had 280-300hp from 2L for more than 10 years already. I think the real improvements would be fuel economy, NVH, and emissions.
I wonder if people will compare this to the Genesis coupe, may be not because of the difference in size?
In Hong Kong, people used to call the S13 (with the turbo CA18 or SR20) the "flying chicken" because of its speed, and the way it could drift.
F23A4, 225hp from 1.5-1.6L is great, but then Evo and STi had 280-300hp from 2L for more than 10 years already. I think the real improvements would be fuel economy, NVH, and emissions.
I wonder if people will compare this to the Genesis coupe, may be not because of the difference in size?
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Originally Posted by iforyou
yea, the key would be the weight. The S15 was about 2700-2800lbs I believe.
In Hong Kong, people used to call the S13 (with the turbo CA18 or SR20) the "flying chicken" because of its speed, and the way it could drift.
F23A4, 225hp from 1.5-1.6L is great, but then Evo and STi had 280-300hp from 2L for more than 10 years already. I think the real improvements would be fuel economy, NVH, and emissions.
I wonder if people will compare this to the Genesis coupe, may be not because of the difference in size?
In Hong Kong, people used to call the S13 (with the turbo CA18 or SR20) the "flying chicken" because of its speed, and the way it could drift.
F23A4, 225hp from 1.5-1.6L is great, but then Evo and STi had 280-300hp from 2L for more than 10 years already. I think the real improvements would be fuel economy, NVH, and emissions.
I wonder if people will compare this to the Genesis coupe, may be not because of the difference in size?
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News is a c ouple of months old, but I found it while searching for somethign else...
http://www.autoblog.com/2008/06/06/n...-sports-coupe/
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With all of the excitement surrounding the next-generation Nissan 370Z, it's sometimes easy to forget that its little rear-wheel-drive brother is on the way, as well. A few weeks ago, we shared some info about this future Nissan RWD coupe, and now we have an official photo to share that popped up at a Nissan GT 2012 meeting. Although fuzzy, it shows a bulging rear fender flare, tiny rear quarter window and swoopy side that we've already seen on some unofficial renderings. As we recently reported, Nissan has kicked development of its future 240SX replacement into high gear after hearing that the Toyota/Subaru coupe is coming along nicely.
Expected to be based on a shortened version of the Z's FM platform and dubbed FR, the new coupe should be powered by either a naturally aspirated 2.0L or possibly a 1.6L or 1.8L turbocharged four-cylinder. Speculation is that the S15 Silvia successor will be approximately 4,350 mm long, 1,750 mm wide and share the same wheelbase as the Z. Low weight and low price are key, and just like with its competitors from Subaru and Toyota, Nissan wants to keep the curb weight low, along with the price. We expect Nissan to beat Toyota to the punch by debuting the coupe in 2010, a full year before the Toyota/Subaru.
Expected to be based on a shortened version of the Z's FM platform and dubbed FR, the new coupe should be powered by either a naturally aspirated 2.0L or possibly a 1.6L or 1.8L turbocharged four-cylinder. Speculation is that the S15 Silvia successor will be approximately 4,350 mm long, 1,750 mm wide and share the same wheelbase as the Z. Low weight and low price are key, and just like with its competitors from Subaru and Toyota, Nissan wants to keep the curb weight low, along with the price. We expect Nissan to beat Toyota to the punch by debuting the coupe in 2010, a full year before the Toyota/Subaru.
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once again, another automotive product that is whored by branded design.
i know its a part of marketable signature, but all of these corporate design cues that are implemented across the line-up are getting sickening. acura grilles are the epitome of the cause. having specific design elements that are strewn across the board leave for a love it or hate it feeling from the consumer. what a crapshoot polarized technique. so if you are against an acura grille, per say, then in all likelyhood you are not going to be interested in ANY acura vehicles...done ranting
i know its a part of marketable signature, but all of these corporate design cues that are implemented across the line-up are getting sickening. acura grilles are the epitome of the cause. having specific design elements that are strewn across the board leave for a love it or hate it feeling from the consumer. what a crapshoot polarized technique. so if you are against an acura grille, per say, then in all likelyhood you are not going to be interested in ANY acura vehicles...done ranting
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i like it...there area s15's everywhere out here so i don't miss them as much as people on the other side of the pond but, i'm glad to see that nissan is filling that void in na market.
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"Supra vs. Z and Celica vs. Skyline wars. "
How can a 180hp celica compete with a 300hp skyline?
And seeing what Nissan can do with a 3.8L V6 in the GTR, i wouldn't be surpised to see this "new silvia" show some great numbers.
How can a 180hp celica compete with a 300hp skyline?
And seeing what Nissan can do with a 3.8L V6 in the GTR, i wouldn't be surpised to see this "new silvia" show some great numbers.
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Didn't see it posted anywhere.
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A 220 - 250ps 1.6L turbo inline 4 cylinder engine gives Nissan's new compact FR sports car a slight power edge over Toyota... let the battle begin!
Best Car continues its series of scoops on the Nissan FR sports car with some more specific information concerning body size, weight and power outputs which are rumored to be even closer to the Toyota offering that first thought. It turns out that these two cars will practically mirror each other in all but the powerplant. The Nissan is likely to use a HR16DET inline 4 cylinder turbo with VCR (Variable Compression Ratio Piston-Crank System) which will produce between 220 - 250ps, put out 30.0kg/m and mated to a 6-speed manual transmission. At 1250kg it should have quite pleasing performance.
The body size will depend on the new platform which will be used for the Nissan FR sports car, that being the "54" type platform which at 1750mm, is likely to make it slightly wider than the S15 Silvia it will replace. The overall length will also be slightly shorter than the S15 and just a fraction taller according to Best Car. These dimensions are very close to the rumored dimension the Toyota FR sports car will have, so it will be very interesting to see just how these two cars perform alongside each other.
Although the final body styling hasn't been decided on yet, Best Car has gone ahead and made some images along the lines of what their source pointed out as being "similar to the V36 Skyline Coupe". Apparently Nissan is still aiming to keep the new FR sports car as close to the 2,000,000 yen mark as possible, although it is expected to break that barrier Nissan will have some stiff pricing competition from Toyota/Subaru who themselves are looking to keep costs to a minimum.
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Best Car continues its series of scoops on the Nissan FR sports car with some more specific information concerning body size, weight and power outputs which are rumored to be even closer to the Toyota offering that first thought. It turns out that these two cars will practically mirror each other in all but the powerplant. The Nissan is likely to use a HR16DET inline 4 cylinder turbo with VCR (Variable Compression Ratio Piston-Crank System) which will produce between 220 - 250ps, put out 30.0kg/m and mated to a 6-speed manual transmission. At 1250kg it should have quite pleasing performance.
The body size will depend on the new platform which will be used for the Nissan FR sports car, that being the "54" type platform which at 1750mm, is likely to make it slightly wider than the S15 Silvia it will replace. The overall length will also be slightly shorter than the S15 and just a fraction taller according to Best Car. These dimensions are very close to the rumored dimension the Toyota FR sports car will have, so it will be very interesting to see just how these two cars perform alongside each other.
Although the final body styling hasn't been decided on yet, Best Car has gone ahead and made some images along the lines of what their source pointed out as being "similar to the V36 Skyline Coupe". Apparently Nissan is still aiming to keep the new FR sports car as close to the 2,000,000 yen mark as possible, although it is expected to break that barrier Nissan will have some stiff pricing competition from Toyota/Subaru who themselves are looking to keep costs to a minimum.
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yeah, but it could also look like many of the other nissans.
hopefully the silvia will be targeted to the enthusiasts, considering the last gen silvia. and nissan focuses the car to be a play on the old silvia design, and not a prodigal son of the altima coupe. although the renderings are siding the latter.
hopefully the silvia will be targeted to the enthusiasts, considering the last gen silvia. and nissan focuses the car to be a play on the old silvia design, and not a prodigal son of the altima coupe. although the renderings are siding the latter.
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well, these renderings are from Best Car and they say that the final design is undecided/still under wraps. hopefully nissan will go in a different direction rather than making all their models uniform, but i'm not holding my breath
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Excerpted from Leftlanenews...
Nissan’s planned 240SX/Silvia successor has been cancelled, according to a report published Thursday. The 2011 Silvia project was said to be inspired by the Foria and Urge concepts, and we published an exclusive illustration last year of the car.
According to the U.K.’s Autocar, the decision was made in response to the Renault-Nissan’s $1.27 billion loss incurred during the second half of 2008, details of which were announced today.
CEO Carlos Ghosn has reportedly indicated the company must focus all of its resources on small and medium-sized cars, including an electric Prius rival, expected to arrive in showrooms next year. As recently noted, Nissan has also applied for loans from America’s Department of Energy for U.S.-based EV and battery development.
The 240SX sports car was to be sold in hybrid and gasoline variants. It was intended as a low-cost alternative to the 370Z. There is apparently no hope for a revival of the program.
Nissan’s planned 240SX/Silvia successor has been cancelled, according to a report published Thursday. The 2011 Silvia project was said to be inspired by the Foria and Urge concepts, and we published an exclusive illustration last year of the car.
According to the U.K.’s Autocar, the decision was made in response to the Renault-Nissan’s $1.27 billion loss incurred during the second half of 2008, details of which were announced today.
CEO Carlos Ghosn has reportedly indicated the company must focus all of its resources on small and medium-sized cars, including an electric Prius rival, expected to arrive in showrooms next year. As recently noted, Nissan has also applied for loans from America’s Department of Energy for U.S.-based EV and battery development.
The 240SX sports car was to be sold in hybrid and gasoline variants. It was intended as a low-cost alternative to the 370Z. There is apparently no hope for a revival of the program.
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^ I bet the 370Z would stay, I agree the GTR would have been killed though.
More and more, it looks like the end of this golden age of powerful cars is coming to an end, driven by last summer's fuel costs and by the economic meltdown...
More and more, it looks like the end of this golden age of powerful cars is coming to an end, driven by last summer's fuel costs and by the economic meltdown...
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Like the NSX successor, things like this just get shelved till better times. Using the word canceled (instead of postponed) just sounds better to the Wall St types. An affordable sporty coupe certainly has a place in a normal healthy economy.
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The recession delayed a lot of development and the release of some interesting coupes, but the price of oil isn't going to stay at $40 a barrel forever...
We'll see more smaller sportier rwd coupes down the road... it's just that automakers budgets don't allow it now...
There's room in the US automarket for smaller more efficient sport coupes... We'll hopefully start to see more european type vehicles...
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I've been watching the RWD coupe market very closely... I might just have to keep my CL for a while longer till one of these things eventually hit the market.
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ya, I agree, I thought since the economy is not doing so well, people might want to get a cheaper alternative like the Silvia rather than the Z. I guess they were too late in the design/development phrase with the Z and it was ready to come out whent he economy tanked, so they decided to release it anyways. The Silvia on the other hand, is still work in progress and so it got shelved for now.
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