Next Gen. Pontiac GTO News **On for 2008 (page 2)**

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Old 10-21-2005 | 08:54 PM
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This is really just GM bullshit, the camaro should be out now on the cts platform, can't be done - 350z.
Old 10-21-2005 | 09:07 PM
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I would very likely buy a GTO / Grand Prix if it looked like that.
Old 10-21-2005 | 09:44 PM
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With as much trouble as GM has on the financial front, I wouldn't believe anything about future models until at least some close to production prototype makes the car show circuit.
Old 03-01-2006 | 11:38 AM
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btw, some interesting info:

From the Cleveland Plain Dealer...

New GTO coming around the bend,Wednesday, March 01, 2006
Joshua Dowling, Special to The Plain Dealer

Geneva, Switzerland- The Pontiac GTO isn't dead after all, says a top General Motors Corp. executive, who also hinted there might be a new ultra-fast Corvette coming. The current GTO will be phased out at the end of this year, but an all-new model is expected to return at the end of 2008 as a 2009 model, said Bob Lutz, who heads GM's global vehicle development.

In an interview at the international auto show in Geneva, Switzerland, Lutz also suggested an even more powerful version of the Corvette might be on the way. Industry insiders have talked about a "Blue Devil" Corvette that would be more powerful than the 505-horsepower Z06 that is currently the fastest Corvette. Lutz stopped short of confirming that, saying: "There will be something special for the Corvette soon." When "Blue Devil" was mentioned, he simply smiled.

The GTO, however, is definitely on the way. Last year, it appeared that GM had canceled any future GTOs as part of its efforts to reduce costs. And a Pontiac spokesman confirmed this year that the last GTOs would be sold this summer because the model wouldn't meet a new airbag standard taking effect in the fall. The spokesman said that the automaker would like to have another GTO but that there was nothing to announce.

But in the interview Tuesday, Lutz said the GTO plans were just off the shelf for a few months and he always wanted a new version. The new GTO might be built in North America, particularly if the Chevrolet Camaro concept gets the go-ahead for production, he said. Both the Pontiac GTO and Camaro could be based on GM's Zeta mechanical underpinnings, which are being developed by the company's Australian outpost, Holden, Lutz said.

With the current strength of the Australian dollar and the recent free-trade agreement between Australia and the United States, it would be more feasible to build the GTO in North America and export a version called the Holden Monaro to Australia, he said. The GTO, which is based on the Monaro, has been built in Australia and shipped to America.
Dowling is motoring editor of the Sydney Morning Herald.
Old 03-01-2006 | 11:43 AM
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where did you see 39K? Everything i've seen has been 44+?



A GT premium (which would be the GTO's competition) came to 29.6K when I built one to similiar specs as my GTO. My GTO was 31.5K asking price. So, yes, they are very similiarly priced.


I just did a search on GT500 MRSP's still can't find anything that states 39K. Most state low 40's. So even then, you are looking at a 10K difference. And with that said, you still must agree, the GTO is not the GT500's competition, it is the Vette whose base price is 44k. That said, it'll also be interesting to see what the GT500's actually sell for.
This was from HTT and Shelby. The base price will be under 40K they said. Probably 39,999 and then throw in some options. My loaded GT Premium stickered for 28K. A 06 GTO stickers at 32,685 in 6 speed form. That's still almost a 5K differnce between the 2.

I know you can get better deals, but that's MSRP. I paid invoice on my car almost a year ago under Ford's X-plan. As for the GTO, it has no competition, it's dead.
Old 03-01-2006 | 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Maximized
This was from HTT and Shelby. The base price will be under 40K they said. Probably 39,999 and then throw in some options. My loaded GT Premium stickered for 28K. A 06 GTO stickers at 32,685 in 6 speed form. That's still almost a 5K differnce between the 2.

I know you can get better deals, but that's MSRP. I paid invoice on my car almost a year ago under Ford's X-plan. As for the GTO, it has no competition, it's dead.

GTO's price dropped 1,000


GT's stickered at 28.9K. Regardless, you know what i'm saying. The GTO and the GT were each others competition. The GT500's comp is the vette.
Old 03-01-2006 | 11:52 AM
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GTO's price dropped 1,000


GT's stickered at 28.9K. Regardless, you know what i'm saying. The GTO and the GT were each others competition. The GT500's comp is the vette.
I disagree with the GT500 being competition to the Vette. I don't think Ford ever intended it compete against the Vette. The GT500 is 3900+lbs and has a SRA. It won't handle anything like the Vette. Acceleration wise they should be about equal. That's about the only fair comparison I can think of between the two.
Old 03-01-2006 | 11:52 AM
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How about price
Old 03-01-2006 | 11:56 AM
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In regards to your article posted above, I think it's a bad move. Pontiac's response to Ford's Pony car was and should be the Firebird. The current gen GTO never led up to GM's expectations and has a bad rep within the industry. Pontiac should give up on the GTO nameplate and resurrect the TA/Firebird.
Old 03-01-2006 | 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by CLpower
How about price
Base C6's the last time I looked are around 45K. Throw some nice options on the C6 and it's around 50K, give or take.
Old 03-02-2006 | 06:49 PM
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Pontiac GTO is Back at ‘Full Tilt’ - - By GREG KABLE - - Source: Autoweek

The Pontiac GTO lives! It will be replaced in late 2008 by an all-new model underpinned by General Motors’ latest rear-wheel-drive Zeta platform, with a strong likelihood of it being built on the same production line as the Chevrolet Camaro in North America.

That’s the message from General Motors vice president for global product development, Bob Lutz, at this week’s Geneva motor show.

The replacement for today’s slowish-selling GTO was canceled last year when General Motors announced it was reorganizing its North American operations and was set to focus its efforts on creating a new line of sport/utility vehicles, pickups and crossovers.

But Lutz has told AutoWeek that reports of the rear-wheel-drive coupe’s death were premature and the next-generation GTO’s development program was only really placed on hold, and—after some internal reorganization to ensure profitability targets can be met—it is now back on.

“The reason we said it was canceled is because that way our people would put their pencils down,” Lutz said. “In GM if you say something is deferred, then people keep working on it. We really needed to get that message through to everybody.” GM’s 74-year-old product guru said the program into which the GTO is incorporated was ‘getting out of control’ and running up costs that would have made it unworkable.

“It was my fault that it got out of control in the first place,” he added. “It was going to be the world’s greatest car and apparently cost nothing to make. So we’ve started over now. The program is back on and it’s going full tilt.”

Lutz confirmed that the GTO was “only ever off for two months, but that break has enabled us to get a more feasible program up.” The program he points to is General Motors’ Zeta rear-wheel-drive platform, which is being developed by Holden in Australia and set to underpin the new-generation Commodore due to be launched in August.

Besides Camaro and GTO, other models set to be based on the Zeta platform are upcoming replacements for the Chevrolet Impala and Monte Carlo, and a new car called the Buick Statesman, according to Lutz.

Contrary to rumors, however, Lutz said General Motors is not planning to revive the Pontiac Firebird. “No, that’s not something we are planning. We are not going to do that car,” he said.

When pushed on whether GM was thinking about bringing back the El Camino off the Zeta platform, Lutz beamed with enthusiasm. “The kids in the company, myself included, would love to do another El Camino, but the grown-ups amongst us don’t share that way of thinking,” he said. “It would be fairly simple. We’d only have to put a Chevrolet face on the Holden Ute [a car-like pickup sold in Australia]. The building blocks are there.”

Less sophisticated than the existing rear-wheel-drive Sigma platform found beneath the Cadillac STS and other high-end GM models, the Zeta architecture is said to be considerably cheaper to produce, owing to a simplified rear-suspension arrangement and other features.

Lutz suggests the individual character of GM models would not be compromised by basing them around one platform. “We have developed different dash-to-front-axle lengths for various models,” he said. “It [the Zeta platform] is a really flexible platform.”

Along with Australia and North America, Zeta-based rear-wheel-drive models are also being developed for sale in the Middle East and China. Details remain scarce, though GM’s business case for the new GTO is rumored to be based around sales of between 15,000 and 20,000 per year in North America. After a promising start, today’s model has failed to live up to initial estimates recording 13,569 sales in 2004 and just 11,590 in 2005.

Lutz confirmed that GM’s Australian subsidiary, Holden, would play a leading role in the engineering of the GTO [where it is sold as the Monaro] and its sister car, the Camaro. “Holden is responsible for the large rear-drive architecture that these cars are based on. If it happens, Holden will do the development on the Camaro as well as the GTO,” he told AutoWeek.

Despite being developed in Australia, however, there are strong indications the next GTO will be built in North America. “Whether the GTO will be built in Australia [as the current Pontiac GTO is] will largely depend on the [U.S. vs. Australian dollar] exchange rate at the time,” said Lutz. He added, “With the current strength of the Australian dollar and the recent Free Trade Agreement between Australia and the U.S., it would be more feasible to build the GTO in North America. This raises the possibility of both the new-generation GTO and Camaro being imported to Australia in right-hand-drive guise.

Production of today’s Pontiac GTO is planned to end in September, leaving GM with two years before the new Zeta-based model arrives in North American showrooms. As with the recently unveiled Chevrolet Camaro, it is expected to carry a more retro-inspired design with cues from earlier GTO models. Today’s model started life as the Holden Monaro and was never envisaged to carry the GTO badge, leading to complaints from North American buyers that it lacks any visual connection with the original.
Old 03-02-2006 | 07:25 PM
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So they're going to call the Buick flagship the Statesman? Meh... the should revive the Invicta name. Good news, but they should (in time) flesh out the use of Zeta and use it for the next Lucerne, a production Velite, and a Pontiac G8.
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