Nails on the coffin for GM?
#1
Nails on the coffin for GM?
http://money.cnn.com/2006/03/31/news...ex.htm?cnn=yes
By Chris Isidore, CNNMoney.com senior writer
March 31, 2006: 10:09 AM EST
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) - Delphi filed Friday to void its contracts with union workers and General Motors and announced plans to close or sell 21 of its 29 plants -- moves that could spark a strike at the auto parts maker and a possible bankruptcy filing at its biggest customer, GM.
Delphi (Research) filed motions with the federal judge overseeing its bankruptcy proceedings to shed contracts it says it can no longer afford. But it said it was encouraged by progress in talks with the unions, adding it's hopeful an agreement can be reached on concessions before a court hearing scheduled for early May.
"While our court filings are necessary procedural steps to enable action that may become necessary at some point in the future, we are singularly focused on reaching a consensual resolution with all of our unions and GM before any court hearing is necessary," said a statement from Delphi CEO Steve Miller.
But the United Auto Workers, the company's largest union, attacked the court filing, saying it killed momentum towards any kind of consensual agreement between labor and management.
"Today it appears there is no basis for continuing discussions," said a statement from UAW President Ron Gettelfinger and union VP Richard Shoemaker, its top negotiator with Delphi.
"In the event the court rejects the UAW-Delphi contract and Delphi imposes the terms of its last proposal, it appears that it will be impossible to avoid a long strike. The UAW has worked diligently in good faith to resolve the Delphi situation through collective bargaining instead of through a lawyer-driven court process or confrontation. Regrettably, Delphi has chosen another path."
GM said it was disappointed with the moves by Delphi but that it looked forward to trying to reach an a three-way agreement with the unions and Delphi.
The other major union at the parts maker, the IUE-CWA, has also threatened to strike if the labor contracts are voided, although any decision by the court on whether or not to let the auto parts maker out of the contracts is likely months away.
Before Delphi's statement Friday, most experts expected Delphi and the unions to reach a deal without any kind of prolonged strike.
But if those experts and the company's expression of optimism are wrong and there are prolonged strikes at Delphi plants, it would mean a halt of production at GM (Research), which could even take the world's No. 1 automaker into bankruptcy court itself. While GM spun off Delphi in 1999, the parts maker is still its largest supplier and it can't continue to produce cars for any prolonged period without it.
The threat of a strike, along with contract obligations that GM has to its former employees at Delphi, is among reasons that GM, Delphi and the UAW were involved in joint talks on an agreement announced earlier this month for GM to offer retirement-eligible UAW members at Delphi $35,000 if they agreed to retire. It also is offering its own employees even bigger incentives to retire or leave GM in order to clear space to rehire 5,000 current UAW members at Delphi.
As for its GM contracts, Delphi's statement said it needs to stop losing money on some of its parts contracts with its former parent, and that its motion covers contracts with about half of the North American annual purchase volume revenue from GM.
"We simply cannot continue to sell products at a loss," said Miller in a statement.
But GM, which has already said that the bankruptcy at Delphi will cost it at least $5.5 billion before tax, could be on the hook for even more money if it has to contribute more to a settlement between the UAW and Delphi.
By Chris Isidore, CNNMoney.com senior writer
March 31, 2006: 10:09 AM EST
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) - Delphi filed Friday to void its contracts with union workers and General Motors and announced plans to close or sell 21 of its 29 plants -- moves that could spark a strike at the auto parts maker and a possible bankruptcy filing at its biggest customer, GM.
Delphi (Research) filed motions with the federal judge overseeing its bankruptcy proceedings to shed contracts it says it can no longer afford. But it said it was encouraged by progress in talks with the unions, adding it's hopeful an agreement can be reached on concessions before a court hearing scheduled for early May.
"While our court filings are necessary procedural steps to enable action that may become necessary at some point in the future, we are singularly focused on reaching a consensual resolution with all of our unions and GM before any court hearing is necessary," said a statement from Delphi CEO Steve Miller.
But the United Auto Workers, the company's largest union, attacked the court filing, saying it killed momentum towards any kind of consensual agreement between labor and management.
"Today it appears there is no basis for continuing discussions," said a statement from UAW President Ron Gettelfinger and union VP Richard Shoemaker, its top negotiator with Delphi.
"In the event the court rejects the UAW-Delphi contract and Delphi imposes the terms of its last proposal, it appears that it will be impossible to avoid a long strike. The UAW has worked diligently in good faith to resolve the Delphi situation through collective bargaining instead of through a lawyer-driven court process or confrontation. Regrettably, Delphi has chosen another path."
GM said it was disappointed with the moves by Delphi but that it looked forward to trying to reach an a three-way agreement with the unions and Delphi.
The other major union at the parts maker, the IUE-CWA, has also threatened to strike if the labor contracts are voided, although any decision by the court on whether or not to let the auto parts maker out of the contracts is likely months away.
Before Delphi's statement Friday, most experts expected Delphi and the unions to reach a deal without any kind of prolonged strike.
But if those experts and the company's expression of optimism are wrong and there are prolonged strikes at Delphi plants, it would mean a halt of production at GM (Research), which could even take the world's No. 1 automaker into bankruptcy court itself. While GM spun off Delphi in 1999, the parts maker is still its largest supplier and it can't continue to produce cars for any prolonged period without it.
The threat of a strike, along with contract obligations that GM has to its former employees at Delphi, is among reasons that GM, Delphi and the UAW were involved in joint talks on an agreement announced earlier this month for GM to offer retirement-eligible UAW members at Delphi $35,000 if they agreed to retire. It also is offering its own employees even bigger incentives to retire or leave GM in order to clear space to rehire 5,000 current UAW members at Delphi.
As for its GM contracts, Delphi's statement said it needs to stop losing money on some of its parts contracts with its former parent, and that its motion covers contracts with about half of the North American annual purchase volume revenue from GM.
"We simply cannot continue to sell products at a loss," said Miller in a statement.
But GM, which has already said that the bankruptcy at Delphi will cost it at least $5.5 billion before tax, could be on the hook for even more money if it has to contribute more to a settlement between the UAW and Delphi.
#5
Originally Posted by Maximized
I love the UAW's reaction. Another reason why the UAW is a huge joke!
They KNOW that they don't deserve what they have received for years, but they continue to fight for what they DON'T DESERVE and will do whatever is needed to hold onto that.
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#8
Originally Posted by Risky
Laugh now When big bussiness breaks the unions none of use will be able to afford a tl.
#10
Originally Posted by CGTSX2004
How is the UAW going out of business going to adversely affect the price of cars?
#11
You kids need to read your history books. The reason you have vactions , pensions and insurance from your work place is because of the unions. Granted some unions have become to strong for their own good. There was blood shed getting unions started . If they break the unions in a matter of a few years your wages will be cut in half. As for not having a clue I have worked both sides of the fence as a tech for john deere dealer non union and the last eighteen years for a cat dealer union. My way of life has improved substantially. If you don't think other companies won't follow what happens with delphi if they get the contract voided. Even companies that don't have a union work force will start to cut benifits because of this precedent.
#12
Originally Posted by Risky
You kids need to read your history books. The reason you have vactions , pensions and insurance from your work place is because of the unions. Granted some unions have become to strong for their own good. There was blood shed getting unions started . If they break the unions in a matter of a few years your wages will be cut in half. As for not having a clue I have worked both sides of the fence as a tech for john deere dealer non union and the last eighteen years for a cat dealer union. My way of life has improved substantially. If you don't think other companies won't follow what happens with delphi if they get the contract voided. Even companies that don't have a union work force will start to cut benifits because of this precedent.
I've seen various trolls here, but never a Union troll.
#13
Originally Posted by Risky
You kids need to read your history books. The reason you have vactions , pensions and insurance from your work place is because of the unions. Granted some unions have become to strong for their own good. There was blood shed getting unions started . If they break the unions in a matter of a few years your wages will be cut in half. As for not having a clue I have worked both sides of the fence as a tech for john deere dealer non union and the last eighteen years for a cat dealer union. My way of life has improved substantially. If you don't think other companies won't follow what happens with delphi if they get the contract voided. Even companies that don't have a union work force will start to cut benifits because of this precedent.
Like maximized said, pick up an economics text book sometime.
If the UAW keeps up what it's doing, it's going to mean tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of jobs lost. Better to have a slightly lower paying job than no job at all.
#15
say what you want management blames labor, labor blames management. the biggest problem gm has is not actually the hourly wage but escalating health care cost which every employer in america faces. Stale product doesn't help either.
#16
Originally Posted by Risky
the biggest problem gm has is not actually the hourly wage but escalating health care cost which every employer in america faces. Stale product doesn't help either.
#17
Originally Posted by Risky
say what you want management blames labor, labor blames management. the biggest problem gm has is not actually the hourly wage but escalating health care cost which every employer in america faces. Stale product doesn't help either.
Now that the big 3 has run out of milk, the UAW is continuing to try to squeeze milk out of a rock.
They can keep squeezing, but if they don't let up, the rock will crumble.
#18
Originally Posted by Risky
You kids need to read your history books. The reason you have vactions , pensions and insurance from your work place is because of the unions. Granted some unions have become to strong for their own good. There was blood shed getting unions started . If they break the unions in a matter of a few years your wages will be cut in half. As for not having a clue I have worked both sides of the fence as a tech for john deere dealer non union and the last eighteen years for a cat dealer union. My way of life has improved substantially. If you don't think other companies won't follow what happens with delphi if they get the contract voided. Even companies that don't have a union work force will start to cut benifits because of this precedent.
By buying union-worker-produced cars and products, we are actually paying more than the fair market price by substitution their unreasonably high wages and benefits.
#19
It's said that the union pressure on GM to keep plants open ... means a flood of cars in the market. The more new cars on dealer lots, the lower the price of the average new car.
If Ford or GM really move to cut production, every new car price is going to be affected,
including Acura TL, Infiniti G35, etc cars that you'd never cross-shop with a Ford Fusion or Pontiac Grand Prix.
If Ford or GM really move to cut production, every new car price is going to be affected,
including Acura TL, Infiniti G35, etc cars that you'd never cross-shop with a Ford Fusion or Pontiac Grand Prix.
#20
Originally Posted by M TYPE X
It's said that the union pressure on GM to keep plants open ... means a flood of cars in the market. The more new cars on dealer lots, the lower the price of the average new car.
If Ford or GM really move to cut production, every new car price is going to be affected,
including Acura TL, Infiniti G35, etc cars that you'd never cross-shop with a Ford Fusion or Pontiac Grand Prix.
If Ford or GM really move to cut production, every new car price is going to be affected,
including Acura TL, Infiniti G35, etc cars that you'd never cross-shop with a Ford Fusion or Pontiac Grand Prix.
#21
Originally Posted by Maximized
Obviously we are dealing with someone whom doesn't have a clue. The UAW and their concessions drive the cost UP on American cars.
#23
Originally Posted by SpeedyV6
True, but if GM were to fold and discontinue all of its operations you would have fewer carmakers serving the same market. Fewer competitors would mean less competition and expanded profit margins for automakers. Believe it or not we all benefit from GM's deep discounted fire sale pricing to clear out their inventories, even if we are buying Honda's and Acura's.
Just because a company files bankruptcy doesn't mean it closes up shop. It will continue business but in a more "efficient" manner with protection from creditors (and the UAW) while it gets its books in order.
#24
Originally Posted by Maximized
You need to read an economics book or a newspaper. Unions were needed BEFORE OHSA and the Department of Labor. Now, they are archaic and not needed. The UAW hinders GM and Ford against their competitors. Please show me how I am wrong? You can't because the data is on my side. I work a non union job, so please explain to me how my wages will be cut in half All I see above is the same Union mentality that if we aren't here the US worker will suffer, which is false. If the UAW doesn't make drastic changes, the US workers for Ford and GM might be out of jobs for good.
I've seen various trolls here, but never a Union troll.
I've seen various trolls here, but never a Union troll.
That is not true across the board for labor unions. A huge benefit union workers have is the right to challenge termination/suspension. The just cause standard would evaporate if unions were no more.
#25
Originally Posted by subinf
That is not true across the board for labor unions. A huge benefit union workers have is the right to challenge termination/suspension. The just cause standard would evaporate if unions were no more.
#26
I was addressing the broad statement about unions in general.
As for the big three, as we've talked about before, I agree the union needs to get their shit together and start giving some of the rights back to management when they are at the table. there are some things, like healthcare, that unions have been dealing with for 50 years and i dont think that is going to change any time soon.
As for the big three, as we've talked about before, I agree the union needs to get their shit together and start giving some of the rights back to management when they are at the table. there are some things, like healthcare, that unions have been dealing with for 50 years and i dont think that is going to change any time soon.
#27
Originally Posted by subinf
I was addressing the broad statement about unions in general.
As for the big three, as we've talked about before, I agree the union needs to get their shit together and start giving some of the rights back to management when they are at the table. there are some things, like healthcare, that unions have been dealing with for 50 years and i dont think that is going to change any time soon.
As for the big three, as we've talked about before, I agree the union needs to get their shit together and start giving some of the rights back to management when they are at the table. there are some things, like healthcare, that unions have been dealing with for 50 years and i dont think that is going to change any time soon.
The Big 2 plus Chrylser must grow some collective balls and hammer the union for concessions. The Job Bank program needs to be closed ASAP. That alone with save billions of dollars almost immediately. Next, Healthcare benefits need to be cut. Hell, have the workers fund their own healthcare. They are way overpaid anyways.
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