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Old 07-11-2009, 02:40 PM
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DesRosiers June Sales Reports - Canada

Very very interesting numbers as Acura posted a 13.3% increase in June '09 compared to June '08, but still down 25% for the year in the great white north. When you Yanks look at this, please remember that we have a population of approximately 30 million.

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I noticed that per capita, Acura has much higher sales in Canada than in the US. Also, it is stronger compared to its competition than in the US. For example, Acura outsells Lexus in Canada, while it is far behind in the US. Any Canadians have an idea why Acura has proportionately higher sales in Canada?
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I noticed that per capita, Acura has much higher sales in Canada than in the US. Also, it is stronger compared to its competition than in the US. For example, Acura outsells Lexus in Canada, while it is far behind in the US. Any Canadians have an idea why Acura has proportionately higher sales in Canada?
They buy cars for what they offer and overlook the badge maybe?
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We're smarter Just joshin...but some might say the CSX sales numbers help, but really, these rebadged Honda Civics don't move anyways.

It's a good question...why Acura is more popular in Canada...my first thoughts would make me think that, overall, the dealers get more factory support/lower average lease rates.
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Lexus' are priced a lot higher than Acura's. A mid-size TL costs approx. the same as a compact-size IS. Canadians on average have much lower disposable income than the Americans. Hence, the higher-priced Lexus' are out of reach for many Canadians.
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Originally Posted by Edward'TLS View Post
Lexus' are priced a lot higher than Acura's. A mid-size TL costs approx. the same as a compact-size IS. Canadians on average have much lower disposable income than the Americans. Hence, the higher-priced Lexus' are out of reach for many Canadians.
Good point. I also noticed that Acura outsells Infiniti by a 3-to-1 ratio in Canada. However, BMW and MB also seem to have strong sales in Canada.
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All about price points in Canada.

Mid-sized TL goes head-to-head with an ES350 (both FWD cars). I see far more current gen ES350s than current gen TLs by a wide margin.

As far as Inifinitis go, I'm glad there are far less on the roads. Makes my G37 that much more unique.

PS I don't take information from Desrosiers and Associations with much faith. Personally, I think his opinion is worth jack-squat. His reporting of the Domestic-3 news (based upon what I read in the Windsor Star) to be utter crap. If anything, I have very high regard for Jeremy Cato (Globe & Mail auto reporter) if I want to read car opinions with a Canadian perspective.
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Originally Posted by derrick View Post
All about price points in Canada.

Mid-sized TL goes head-to-head with an ES350 (both FWD cars). I see far more current gen ES350s than current gen TLs by a wide margin.

As far as Inifinitis go, I'm glad there are far less on the roads. Makes my G37 that much more unique.

PS I don't take information from Desrosiers and Associations with much faith. Personally, I think his opinion is worth jack-squat. His reporting of the Domestic-3 news (based upon what I read in the Windsor Star) to be utter crap. If anything, I have very high regard for Jeremy Cato (Globe & Mail auto reporter) if I want to read car opinions with a Canadian perspective.
I don't read his stuff either...just the numbers. Mr. Cato is great and what about the legend, Jim McKenzie from the Toronto Star WHEELS section?
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Originally Posted by Edward'TLS View Post
Lexus' are priced a lot higher than Acura's. A mid-size TL costs approx. the same as a compact-size IS. Canadians on average have much lower disposable income than the Americans. Hence, the higher-priced Lexus' are out of reach for many Canadians.
I think that used to be the case, but now the starting price of IS is at $32k CAD, that's the same as the base TSX with cloth seats. Remember, Lexus did a major price drop when $1CAD = $1USD. The IS went from $36k to $31k. The IS350 on the other hand starts at around $41 or $42k (down from $49k), and so far I have only see at most 5 of those in my life...lol....

I suspect Acura in Canada has a better image? I mean my friends get excited when they get to ride in my car...lol.
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Originally Posted by derrick View Post
All about price points in Canada.

Mid-sized TL goes head-to-head with an ES350 (both FWD cars). I see far more current gen ES350s than current gen TLs by a wide margin.

As far as Inifinitis go, I'm glad there are far less on the roads. Makes my G37 that much more unique.

PS I don't take information from Desrosiers and Associations with much faith. Personally, I think his opinion is worth jack-squat. His reporting of the Domestic-3 news (based upon what I read in the Windsor Star) to be utter crap. If anything, I have very high regard for Jeremy Cato (Globe & Mail auto reporter) if I want to read car opinions with a Canadian perspective.
Also the fact that the current gen ES350 came out in like 2006/2007?

I'd also like to add that in Vancouver, the RDX, TSX, and MDX are very popular. I see dozens of them whenever I'm driving. They are everywhere. If I had to take a guess, I'd say the RDX and MDX are as popular as each other, which is quite different than the US.

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Wait why is the MKS listed under entry level and MKZ under mid-level?
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You'll have to ask Sick on another forum.
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Whoever said Hyundai is down in sales is right but the figures for me are a bit odd. Official Press Release

Figures for June 2009:

Accent: 8,139 - (6,914)
Sonata: 11,950 - (16,857)
Elantra: 6,493 - (14,482)
Tiburon: 443 - (979)
Santa Fe: 7,148 - (5,863)
Azera: 313 - (1,745)
Tucson: 1,100 - (1,964)
Entourage: 43 - (499)
Veracruz: 476 - (682)
Genesis: 1,838 - (30)

Numbers in parenthesis indicate June, 2008 figures and show some surprising changes.
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the figures are "odd" because you got the numbers backwards. The ones in parenthesis are not June 2008, they are in fact June 2009 (check your link).

Calendar Year to date up to June, as well as the numbers for June, are lower than last year's.
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Originally Posted by iforyou View Post
Also the fact that the current gen ES350 came out in like 2006/2007?
I heard that one before:

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but the current gen ES350 came out since 2007? If so, I don't see why it's surprising to see more of those than the TL. It's like 30 months of sales vs 6 months, not to mention the last 6 months were one of the darkest periods in the automotive world.
Be careful. You may get this type of response for Canada as well:


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March 09
3,225 - ES
3,231 - TL

Feb 09
2,575 - ES
2,490 - TL

Jan 09
2,971 - ES
2,317 - TL

Dec 08
5,236 - ES
3,607 - TL

Nov 08
4,116 - ES
3,160 - TL

Oct 08
4,141 - ES
4,340 - TL
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incidentally followed up by:

April 2009
ES - 3,549
TL - 3,105

May 2009
ES - 4,125
TL - 3,375

June 2009
ES - 3,918
TL - 3,018

...nuff beating that dead horse though.
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Originally Posted by phile View Post
the figures are "odd" because you got the numbers backwards. The ones in parenthesis are not June 2008, they are in fact June 2009 (check your link).

Calendar Year to date up to June, as well as the numbers for June, are lower than last year's.
Check the link, the previous poster was correct. You actually believe that only 30 Genesis were sold in June of this year?
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incidentally followed up by:

April 2009
ES - 3,549
TL - 3,105

May 2009
ES - 4,125
TL - 3,375

June 2009
ES - 3,918
TL - 3,018

...nuff beating that dead horse though.
Yes, the ES has been outselling the TL by 20-30% since the 09 TL was released. However, it is downright absurd to suggest it is irrelevant that the current ES has been on the market for three times as long as the 4G TL. Even if the cars were selling at the same rate, one would be three times as likely to see an ES than a TL.
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If theoretically both cars debuted in October 2008, there'd still be 5,200 more ESs on the road but yes; how noticeable that may be is subjective.

The observational margin mentioned by Derrick (and myself earlier in this thread) would primarily be attributed to the ESs earlier debut for the current generation. On that point, I agree. Nonetheless, it's a margin that is apparently growing by the month.
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Of course, I'm not saying the TL is outselling the ES. Most of the time, there are more ES sold than the TL. I was merely pointing out that the current ES has been on the market for a significantly longer period than the TL. And looking from the numbers you posted, it seems like the margin is fluctuating a bit. You have the ES outselling the TL by like 25% from Nov 08 to Jan 09, Feb 09 to April 09, their numbers are pretty close. From then on the margin went back to roughly 25%.

Now one interesting thing to note is that, the TL is outselling the G35/37. I mean it also came out at about the same time as the ES350. So I'm not too sure if the "the G is an older car while the TL is newer" argument still works here. I don't know, and I'm not trying to say 0-60 in 5s is bad, or RWD is bad, or 7AT is bad, it just seems like the majority of buyers don't seem to care as much about those qualities. They seem to prefer a Camry-based sedan with comfy ride and a Lexus badge. The only reason I could think of (or I have heard) is there aren't too many Infiniti dealers in the States. However, I'd also imagine if a car is good enough, or if a person wants a certain car bad enough, he/she wouldn't mind driving further just to get what they want?
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08/03/2009 - TORRANCE, Calif. -

American Honda Motor Co., Inc., posted total July vehicle sales of 114,690, a decline of 17.3 percent compared to July 2008 results, the company reported today. American Honda year-to-date sales of 645,468 represented a 30.7 percent decline based on the daily selling rate*.

Sales of the fuel-efficient Honda Civic increased 3.1 percent to 30,037. Honda CR-V, a best-seller in the crossover utility vehicle segment, increased sales by 9.9 percent to 19,151. The Honda Division posted July sales of 106,028, a decline of 15.8 percent compared to last year's aggressive pace.

"Strong interest from the CARS program increased dealership traffic late in the month and contributed to Civic and CR-V sales gains,"
said John Mendel, executive vice president of American Honda Motor Co., Inc. "July was our highest-volume month so far this year."

The Acura Division posted July 2009 sales of 8,662, a decrease of 32.5 percent compared to last year's July sales.

*The daily selling rate is calculated with 26 days for July 2009 and July 2008. The year-to-date daily selling rate is calculated with 178 days for 2009 and 179 days for 2008. All percentages represent the daily selling rate.


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Low Inventory Impacts Acura Sales
TORRANCE, Calif. - 08/03/2009


The TL performance luxury sedan continued to top the leaderboard for Acura, logging 3,309 sales, and despite low inventory, the top three Acura models posted month-over-month sales increases for July. Total Acura sales tallied 8,662 vehicles, down 32.5 percent* versus last July, while year-to-date sales slipped 33.8 percent** to 59,744 versus 2008, based on daily selling rates.

"Acura is gearing up for increased sales in the coming months by offering a dramatically enhanced 2010 lineup," said Jeff Conrad, vice president of Acura sales. "The new V6 powered TSX performance sedan is just beginning to arrive at Acura dealers and the revamped turbocharged RDX crossover SUV, including a new two-wheel-drive model, will be arriving this month."

Low inventory of 2009 models hampered the sales of many Acura models, especially the RDX crossover SUV, which totaled 519 vehicles. The MDX luxury SUV moved into second position behind the TL, posting sales of 2,471 units, while the TSX was a close third with 2,232 vehicles registered.
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July: Good Bad & the Ugly

July 2009 sales: Best ever July for Subaru, Ford posts first gain in 19 months

Driven in part by the Cash for Clunkers program, several automakers have posted strong July sales. Subaru set a July record with sales up 34.2 percent, while Ford Motor Company says that July was its first month in over a year to post an increase in monthly sales Ė but GM, Chrysler and Toyota all posted less-than-stellar numbers.

Though the long term effects of Cash for Clunkers have yet to be determined, the program clearly helped spur new car sales during the last week of July, particularly among four-cylinder models. July is not traditionally a strong month for automakers since current year inventories tend to be weakening and plants are shut down for year-to-year retooling.

June sales saw sales perking up a bit and Volvo and Subaru even posted positive results.

Donít forget that sales figures are to be compared to July 2008 numbers and keep checking this space as we will post updates when we get them.

The good
Toyota posted the strongest overall sales month of any automaker, with sales of 156,355 units, though it was down 10.8 percent overall. Only the Prius, RAV4 and Highlander saw increases of sales Ė up 29.7 percent (to 19,173), 32.5 percent (to 15,912) and 39.1 percent (to 9,407), respectively.

Though sales at General Motors werenít especially hot overall, the Chevrolet Impala posted a 9.6 percent gain (to 14,649, which outsold Malibu) and Pontiac G8 sales continued to be strong as the automaker clears out remaining inventory (up 63.3 percent to 2,404). On the truck side of things, the all-new Chevrolet Equinox saw a 77.8 percent increase (to 10,834).

Hefty demand for the Volkswagen Jetta TDI pushed the automaker up to its first sales increase in a year. Though VW doesnít break out diesel sales, its Jetta sedan saw an 8.5 percent increase (to 9,663), while the SportWagen increased 612.4 percent (to 2,415).

Chryslerís Cash for Clunkers rebate-matching program succeeded: Sales of all of the automakerís four-cylinder volume models, aside from the Sebring, increased substantially. The Jeep Compass and Patriot increased 95 percent (to 2,736) and 134 percent (to 8,084), respectively, which helped push the brand to a mere 2 percent drop off compared to last yearís numbers.

Mazdaís Mazda6 saw a 1.9 percent increase (to 2,517), while the Mazda5 continued to surprise by increasing a hefty 45.5 percent (to 1,944).

Hondaís Civic and CR-V both saw increases over last yearís figures Ė 3.1 percent (to 30,037) and 9.9 percent (to 19,151), respectively.

Continuing its strong numbers so far this year, Subaru saw sales increase 34.2 percent (to 21,839), which pushed year-to-date sales up 4.3 percent overall. Subaru is on track to be the only automaker to post improved annual sales over 2008.

Ford division saw a 2.9 percent increase overall, driven mostly by Fusion (up 66 percent to 17,610) and Focus (up 43.6 percent to 21,830). Numerous Ford dealers reported that their Focus inventories, in particular, were essentially depleted. On the truck side, Escape sales were up 94.2 percent (to 20,241), Flex sales were up 64.7 percent (to 3,631) and Ranger sales were up 64.5 percent (to 7,695).

Mercury also saw a 6.6 percent increase in sales thanks to hefty demand for the Milan (up 59.8 percent to 2,934), Mariner (up 70.5 percent to 3,682) and even the Grand Marquis (up 3.8 percent to 2,667).

Volvo sales were up 25.7 percent thanks to a 257.2 percent increase in demand (to 1,461) for the S60, which was heavily marketed to clear out old inventories.

The bad
Despite gains in efficient car sales, Mini saw a 3.8 percent (to 4,872) drop off during July.

General Motors saw sales slide overall, with no division reporting positive numbers. Most troubling, perhaps, is the 53.6 percent slide in Cadillac sales. Though not the biggest drop off under the GM umbrella (just 574 Saabs found new buyers, a 71.7 percent decline in demand), it represents a lot of volume for one of the four brands GM intends to keep around.

Dodge saw increases in demand for its Caliber and Avenger models, as well as the Journey and Caravan, though sales were off 8 percent versus last yearís numbers.

Chrysler divisionís sales slumped 21 percent, even though the PT Cruiser saw a 4 percent increase in demand.

Despite some strength, Mazda sales were down 15.1 percent overall (to 19,032).

Overall Honda division sales were down 15.8 percent (to 106,028).

Mercedes-Benz saw decreases across the board with the exception of the E-Class. Helped by the all-new model, E-Class sales rose 12.5 percent (to 5,556). R-Class sales trickled to just 36 units, a 95.2 percent decrease from July 2007.

Not helped by the Cash for Clunkers program due to its fairly high line-wide consumption, Lincoln was Fordís sore spot. Sales were down 24.3 percent despite a 95.2 percent increase in Town Car sales (to 1,841).

The ugly
Acura, down 32.5 percent to 8,662.
Chrysler, down 21 percent to 16,549.
BMW, down 31.5 percent to 16,381.
Buick, down 29.1 percent to 7,099.
Cadillac, down 52.6 percent to 6,171.
Chevrolet, down 9.3 percent to 124,948
Dodge, down 8 percent to 50,075.
Ford, up 2.9 percent to 142,135.
GMC, down 20.4 percent to 21,860.
Hummer, down 57.4 percent to 799.
Honda, down 15.8 percent to 106,028.
Jeep, down 2 percent to 22,276.
Lexus, down 16.5 percent to 18,517.
Lincoln, down 24.3 percent to 6,672.
Maserati, down 49.5 percent to 98.
Mazda, down 15.1 percent to 15,032.
Mercury, up 6.6 percent to 10,031.
Mercedes-Benz, down 21.7 percent to 16,228.
Mini, down 3.8 percent to 4,872.
Pontiac, down 13.2 percent to 22,024.
Saab, down 71.7 percent to 574.
Saturn, down 66.1 percent to 5,968.
Subaru, up 34.2 percent to 21,839.
Toyota, down 10.8 percent to 156,355.
Volkswagen, up 0.7 percent to 20,590.
Volvo, up 25.7 percent to 6,441.
http://www.leftlanenews.com/july-200...tml#more-20050

Nice to see some "up" figures! Congrats to Ford, Volkswagen, Subaru & Volvo
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What caused the subi spike?
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probably the all new legacy/outback which has grown on me a little. but it has gotten good reviews from the critics.
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What caused the subi spike?
July is lesbian car buying month.
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Just think how great Acura's numbers will look next year when compared to the pathetic numbers now.
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I remember hearing something about $8,000 cashback AND 0% financing for 63 months on the 2008 STi late last year. Who knows, maybe that brought in extra customers. If I knew about that deal, I so would have jumped on it....
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Just think how great Acura's numbers will look next year when compared to the pathetic numbers now.
I'm really surprised by the numbers. Acura vehicles are priced a lot cheaper than their equivalent luxury competitors, and so I expect there will be more Acura sales than each of BMW, MB, and Lexus.

But the numbers show that Acura sales is at best one half the total sales of the slowest selling luxury brands from BMW, MB, and Lexus.

The Acura brand is doomed. Acura = Tier-1 ? Only in your dreams, Honda.
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^ the sales numbers don't matter a whole lot as long as mother Honda makes money. The problem will be when the volume gets low enough, they can't make money and then the issue of cutting the model comes up - RL.
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^ the sales numbers don't matter a whole lot as long as mother Honda makes money. The problem will be when the volume gets low enough, they can't make money and then the issue of cutting the model comes up - RL.
With V8-engine and RWD-chassis now dead in the water, and with the 3.7L-V6 SH-AWD TL presenting as a cheaper alternative to the pricey RL, there is no point keeping the RL model line alive.

So it make sense to chop the RL model line, until Honda decides to resurrect the V8 and the RWD programs.
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Originally Posted by Edward'TLS View Post
I'm really surprised by the numbers. Acura vehicles are priced a lot cheaper than their equivalent luxury competitors, and so I expect there will be more Acura sales than each of BMW, MB, and Lexus.

But the numbers show that Acura sales is at best one half the total sales of the slowest selling luxury brands from BMW, MB, and Lexus.

The Acura brand is doomed. Acura = Tier-1 ? Only in your dreams, Honda.

It seems like this applies to Infiniti too, don't you think so? Well actually, Acura sales is still more than Infiniti and Audi..even though those brands have a much wider range of models with V8, V10, and RWD.
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With V8-engine and RWD-chassis now dead in the water, and with the 3.7L-V6 SH-AWD TL presenting as a cheaper alternative to the pricey RL, there is no point keeping the RL model line alive.

So it make sense to chop the RL model line, until Honda decides to resurrect the V8 and the RWD programs.
The Acura RWD program is still on track according to Acura folks in statements made a few months ago and links posted in some other threads on AZ.
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The Acura RWD program is still on track according to Acura folks in statements made a few months ago and links posted in some other threads on AZ.
You must have missed the internet riot that occurred a few weeks ago:
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...396703&page=10
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You must have missed the internet riot that occurred a few weeks ago:
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...396703&page=10
Wow, behind in my reading. I stand corrected, bummer about the new CEO backing away from RWD. His statement is also bizarre since Honda/Acura alrady had the 2000/NSX.
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Wow, behind in my reading. I stand corrected, bummer about the new CEO backing away from RWD. His statement is also bizarre since Honda/Acura alrady had the 2000/NSX.
As always, when a new guy takes over a company, he/she will want to tear up existing programs and start everything new, unless there is a labour union in the way preventing new changes.
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Wow, behind in my reading. I stand corrected, bummer about the new CEO backing away from RWD. His statement is also bizarre since Honda/Acura alrady had the 2000/NSX.
funny thing is he was the main guy designing the chassis for the NSX. Let's just hope he has something up his sleeve or at least know what he's doing.
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VW/Audi is the only large Auto group in the world that havent lost money in first quarter. Even Honda lost $2B in the quarter.
Not true - Hyundai/Kia still made a profit in the 1st Q.


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THink over Q2 2009. VW is the only manufacturer that is increasing sales. Toyota/Honda is facing 40% revenue decline and 30% Volume decline across the world.
Also not true - Hyundai/Kia is also increasing sales/market share.

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26% sales revenue decline with $114m profit in first quarter. I highly doubt it will be in black for the second quarter or the year.

27% down for June. I doubt globally it will move up.
Also not true.

Hyundai Motor outshined its global rivals by reporting a record quarterly profit Thursday, another sign that the once middling carmaker from South Korea was translating the global economic downturn into an opportunity to catch up with American and Japanese auto giants mired in losses.

Hyundaiís net income for the quarter from April through June soared 48 percent from a year earlier to 811.9 billion won, or $650 million, the carmaker said Thursday. That compared with 546.9 billion won in net profit a year earlier and a 225 billion won profit in the first quarter of this year.
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No pond intended here just wanna give my 2cents. Please do not compare Japs vehicle over Korean. Quality alone korean is way far off my friend.
That's funny considering that both JD Power and Consumer Reports consider Hyundai vehicles to have BETTER reliability than all the mainstream Japanese brands other than Toyota and Honda.

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If it was the Elantra, he's not far off. The Fit has better materials, and it's one class below it.
Maybe the Fit has (a little) better materials than the Elantra, but the Elantra Touring (which is basically a diff. model) has better materials than the Fit (also, the Insight has worse materials than the either Elantra).

Otoh, the Corolla is considered to have a cheaper grade materials than both the Elantra and Fit (the same goes for the Sentra).

Also, the Kia Soul did better than the Fit on the European NCAP tests - scoring 87%/86% (adult/child) compared to 78%/79% for the Fit/Jazz.
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The same goes for the Camry - which is considered to have cheaper materials (not to mention a not as appealing interior design) as either the Sonata or Accord.

One thing for sure, the quality of Toyota interiors have gone downhill as Toyota has undergone a cost cutting campaign; the same went for Nissan interiors btwn 2000 and 2005 when Nissan underwent drastic cost-cutting under Ghosn.
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